I've always wondered if apostates....

[VixR]

What kind of logic is this? Because it definitely isn't the normal syllogistic logic we know.

He doesn't get it.

Also,

I could switch your logic around. A Muslim who kills does not necessarily do it into the name of Islam.

No u could not, unless the killing was unrelated to religion, ie not doctrine-based. By default, no atheist kills for atheism. Atheism has no doctrine.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Sxb you just lumped atheism and communism together

And? Can't communists be atheists too? f*ck that's like saying in response to Saudi Arabias human right abuses that you can't lump monarchy and Islam together

 

[Lord Flacko]

He doesn't get it.

Bolded the more important ones.

Stalin was an atheist?

"The Pope? How many divisions has he got?" — Josef Stalin, to French Foreign Minister Pierre Laval, in reply to a suggestion that the Soviet Union should encourage Catholicism in order to propitiate the Pope, in Winston Churchill, The Second World War, vol. 1, "The Gathering Storm," ch. 8, (1948), said, 13 May 1935, quoted from, The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations

Stalin is quoted as saying "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" in E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists#Politics_and_law says that stalin is an atheist and uses my above quote to prove it


There is a Soviet poster ridiculing Judaism—as printed in the official government journal Atheist

“Communism begins where atheism begins…” (Karl Marx)

The above quote is taken out of context. The actual quote is: "Communism begins where atheism begins, but atheism is at the outset still far from being communism; indeed it is still for the most part an abstraction."

“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion” (Karl Marx)

“I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.” (Karl Marx)

“The hellish vapors rise and fill the brain, till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed. See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me.” (Karl Marx)

“With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the fact of the world and see the collapse of this pygmy giant. Then will I wander god-like and victorious through the ruins of the world. And giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.” (Karl Marx)

“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.” (attributed to Vladimir I. Lenin)

“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.” (V.I. Lenin)

“There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.” (V.I. Lenin)

“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen. WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.” (Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper)

“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth, and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)

http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Was_Stalin_an_atheist?



Retard 2x

 

[Lord Flacko]

These niggas really want to argue with the creators of Communism about Communism

 

[NoName]

This niglet claims to have followed the conversation

Bolded the more important ones.

http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Was_Stalin_an_atheist?



Retard

That's an article you posted which you headed with 'Was Stalin an atheist?' when no one had made a claim either way. That's exactly what I mean by when I say you appear to be arguing with yourself. But yeah, just ignore that what you just said earlier didn't make any logical sense.

 

[simulacrum]

These niggas really want to argue with the creators of Communism about Communism

I think you must have not gotten the clue, but the ideology of communism is clear as the tenets of Islam. Atheism on the other hand... doesn't have an elaborate ideology on how to govern society, nor how to conduct yourself in life in general. Atheism isn't a school of thought or a philosophy, it's just the rejection of theism and a God hypothesis. So how can you blame something that doesn't have any guidelines, instructions and manual?

 

[VixR]

And? Can't communists be atheists too? f*ck that's like saying in response to Saudi Arabias human right abuses that you can't lump monarchy and Islam together

The question here would be what drove or inspired the Human Rights abuses in Saudi Arabia? What is their basis? Monarchy? Islam?

In the case of Stalin, it was not atheism for which there is no doctrine, that drove his actions but his own dogmatic version of communism, a political system.

No war has been started in the name of atheism. The same isn't the case for the countless doctrine-based wars of religion.

You are conflating, plain and simple.

 

[Lord Flacko]

I think you must have not gotten the clue, but the ideology of communism is clear as the tenets of Islam. Atheism on the other hand... doesn't have an elaborate ideology on how to govern society, nor how to conduct yourself in life in general. Atheism isn't a school of thought or a philosophy, it's just the rejection of theism and a God hypothesis. So how can you blame something that doesn't have any guidelines, instructions and manual?

The question here would be what drove or inspired the Human Rights abuses in Saudi Arabia? What is their basis? Monarchy? Islam?

In the case of Stalin, it was not atheism for which there is no doctrine, that drove his actions but his own dogmatic version of communism, a political system.

No war has been started in the name of atheism. The same isn't the case for the countless doctrine-based wars of religion.

You are conflating, plain and simple.

Communism was a doctorine created for and by Atheists. Atheism itself has no system while Religion does, but Atheism needs and is always accompanied by a system like Religion and/or a political system to be viable.
By creating their own system and doctorine they can effectively go to war based on that. And the Communists did that.

They went to war for Communism, which is an Atheistic Political System/Doctorine and indirectly or directly based on your view, they went to war to spread their Atheistic Doctorine. Just like how Jihadists would go to war to spread Shariah.

Saying Communism wasn't about Atheism too would be like saying the bun in a burger is a non-factor when it comes to me enjoying said burger. Without the bun there is no burger.

 

[NoName]

Communism was a doctorine created for and by Atheists.

While it may be the case that it was created by atheists, it doesn't follow that it was created for atheists.

Atheism itself has no system while Religion does, but Atheism needs and is always accompanied by a system like Religion and/or a political system to be viable. By creating their own system and doctorine they can effectively go to war based on that. And the Communists did that.

This needs to be backed up!

They went to war for Communism, which is an Atheistic Political System/Doctorine and indirectly or directly based on your view, they went to war to spread their Atheistic Doctorine. Just like how Jihadists would go to war to spread Shariah.

There's no such thing as the "Atheistic Doctorine". Now you're just making shit up!

Saying Communism wasn't about Atheism too would be like saying the bun in a burger is a non-factor when it comes to me enjoying said burger. Without the bun there is no burger.

But you're trying to make this analogy work by creating your own version of history, mate.

 

[Lord Flacko]

While it may be the case that it was created by atheists, it doesn't follow that it was created for atheists. This needs to be backed up!
There's no such thing as the "Atheistic Doctorine". Now you're just making shit up!
But you're trying to make this analogy work by creating your own version of history, mate.

Atheistic based Doctorine*

 

[NoName]

Atheistic based Doctorine*

So now you're gonna change what you said, and of course you're gonna ignore backing up the rest of it. Convenient!

 

[dhegdheer]

I honestly never knew that muslim creationist existed

The only ones I encountered arguing for it were usually christian

People on this thread arguing against evolution as well. It's too much

 

[OmarLittle]

Damn, this post was a thriller

 

[dhegdheer]

Damn, this post was a thriller

Some next up jahilnimo on display. This post truly was a wild ride

@Muhajaba You said that you lived in the UK for a while. Did you go to school there? Did you pass your GCSE in science??

 

[The_Cosmos]

Atheistic based Doctorine*

I'm sorry but what you're saying is complete nonsense. Atheism is a definition that defines a certain group of people who lack belief in God. That's it!

Communism and atheism are not the same thing. Communism is a political/economical ideology which is defined as a "system of social organisation in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs." Now, please tell me where atheism is invoked in that definition?

One of the things that is well known with many theists is that they work so hard to try and downgrade atheism to the fold of religious dogma by identifying it or associating certain dogma or ideologies to it.

Communism has been and is still popular among Muslims in the Muslim world. Siad Barre was a communist alongside Mullanur Vakhitov, Mirsai Sultangaliev, Gamal Abdel Nasser (was a socialist who was supported by the communists) and there's more. There are even more Christians, Jews and other people of religious background who affiliated with communism.

There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest communism was made for atheists. If I'm wrong, I'll wait for your evidence.

You're simply trying to draw comparisons between religion and atheism when in reality there are none. One is an ideology whilst the other is a definition.

 

[Lord Flacko]

I'm sorry but what you're saying is complete nonsense. Atheism is a definition that defines a certain group of people who lack belief in God. That's it!

Communism and atheism are not the same thing. Communism is a political/economical ideology which is defined as a "system of social organisation in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs." Now, please tell me where atheism is invoked in that definition?

One of the things that is well known with many theists is that they work so hard to try and downgrade atheism to the fold of religious dogma by identifying it or associating certain dogma or ideologies to it.

Communism has been and is still popular among Muslims in the Muslim world. Siad Barre was a communist alongside Mullanur Vakhitov, Mirsai Sultangaliev, Gamal Abdel Nasser (was a socialist who was supported by the communists) and there's more. There are even more Christians, Jews and other people of religious background who affiliated with communism.

There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest communism was made for atheists. If I'm wrong, I'll wait for your evidence.

You're simply trying to draw comparisons between religion and atheism when in reality there are none. One is an ideology whilst the other is a definition.

Read atleast a page back sxb

True Communism was based on Atheism. Barre was just a commie for money, not committed like Stalin, Zedong or Pot

Bolded the more important and relevant ones. Copy pasted from previous post in the last page

Stalin was an atheist?

"The Pope? How many divisions has he got?" — Josef Stalin, to French Foreign Minister Pierre Laval, in reply to a suggestion that the Soviet Union should encourage Catholicism in order to propitiate the Pope, in Winston Churchill, The Second World War, vol. 1, "The Gathering Storm," ch. 8, (1948), said, 13 May 1935, quoted from, The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations

Stalin is quoted as saying "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" in E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists#Politics_and_law says that stalin is an atheist and uses my above quote to prove it


There is a Soviet poster ridiculing Judaism—as printed in the official government journal Atheist

“Communism begins where atheism begins…” (Karl Marx)

The above quote is taken out of context. The actual quote is: "Communism begins where atheism begins, but atheism is at the outset still far from being communism; indeed it is still for the most part an abstraction."

“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion” (Karl Marx)

“I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.” (Karl Marx)

“The hellish vapors rise and fill the brain, till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed. See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me.” (Karl Marx)

“With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the fact of the world and see the collapse of this pygmy giant. Then will I wander god-like and victorious through the ruins of the world. And giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.” (Karl Marx)

“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.” (attributed to Vladimir I. Lenin)

“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.” (V.I. Lenin)

“There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.” (V.I. Lenin)

“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen. WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.” (Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper)

“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth, and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)

Atheism was inseparable to Communism and in fact it's biggest cornerstone. As said so by the creators of Communism

 

[The_Cosmos]

Read atleast a page back sxb

True Communism was based on Atheism. Barre was just a commie for money, not committed like Stalin, Zedong or Pot

Bolded the more important and relevant ones. Copy pasted from previous post in the last page


Atheism was inseparable to Communism and in fact it's biggest cornerstone. As said so by the creators of Communism

What you're doing is highly dishonest. The creators of communism can associate communism to atheism but you cannot, reasonably and logically, associate the crimes commited by communists to atheism because there is no dogma or belief system within atheism that instructs people to commit those crimes. Islam has laws and belief systems whilst atheism is a mere definition. Isis commits beheads apostates, chops off hands, enforced jizya and so on and al of that are well founded within Islamic doctrine. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Do you understand what atheism means?

 

[sinister]

Partially OT, did any of you catch that documentary on apostates in the uk? I'm trying to find a link.

 

[The_Cosmos]

Partially OT, did any of you catch that documentary on apostates in the uk? I'm trying to find a link.

I'm from Britain and so I watched it on ITV who created the documentary. The documentary was directed by a Muslim but other British Muslims literally started branded the documentary "Islamophobic."

 

[sinister]

I'm from Britain and so I watched it on ITV who created the documentary. The documentary was directed by a Muslim but other British Muslims literally started branded the documentary "Islamophobic."

Ever the victims.