Jarahoroto (ancient) town in Awdal named after King and Queen of the Harla people
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What are you saying here has nothing to do with the fairytales of queen and king and ancient town in Awdal.
Prince of Lasanod
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f*ck off you Oromo Gurgura hybrid. I don't have 15 nicks like you do.
The DNA studies have put the nail in the coffin of the North-to-South migration claim. The Nile migration route from the Cushitic homeland in the Sudan leads to Namoratunga and Lake Turkana in Kenya, so the Samaale migration was after that south to north. When the Samaales arrived from the south, the Harla, Yibir and Madhibaan were already there. There is no leg for you to stand on here. The Samaales are not "dadka hore". They do not make an appearance in the North until at least the first century AD and do not supplant the Harla, Yibir and Madhibaan until the time of aw Barkhadle in the 12th-13th centuries.
We have been over this before. I can't speak for Jarahoroto village specifically, but Sada Mire covers this period in general. You need to read and digest Young Popeye's quote. Adal was based on the Harla, and the Harla were Ethio-Semitic. If the Dhulbahante are correct, the Harla even settled the Nugaal.
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In that case, it would meant that Af-Maxatery dialect developed from af-may dialect then right?
Not necessarily. There are on the order of 40 extant Cushitic languages. In the South, in addition to Maay, are Tunni, Garre, etc., each of which probably represents at least one migration, likely from a center around Lake Turkana. Other Cushitic groups made it into the southern Ethiopian highlands and as far south as Tanzania. It seems likely that some followed the Dawa down to the Jubba and upper Shabelli; others moved north from the mouth of the Tana. The languages could represent separate migrations over an extended period of time.
The southern Somali languages are said to be more closely related to Oromo than is Maxatiri. This could indicate either a later separation from the parent Southeastern Cushitic, being closer to the parent region, or the effects of the Gaal Madow wars. This area of study has long been subsumed by the notion Mahaa was all there was, and is still evolving.
Ask Ash'ari for the link. https://www.somalispot.com/threads/numerous-ancient-ruined-towns-of-awdal-region-dir-land.19779/
1. Jarahoroto, (Dilla District), Awdal Region
"Jarahorato (also: Dzharakhorato, Jaaraahorato, Jaarrahorrato)[1] is a village in the northwestern Awdal region of Somalia. It is named after a legendary King and Queen who ruled this land before the Somali conquest of this region. The King was known as Jara and his wife was known as Horato."
She documented all the rest. Here's another one:
"3. Amud, (Borama District), Awdal Region
The old section of Amud spans 25 acres (100,000 m2) and contains hundreds of ancient ruins of multi-roomed courtyard houses, stone walls, complex mosques, and other archaeological remains, including intricate colored glass bracelets and Chinese ceramics.
The Archaeology of Islam in Sub Saharan Africa, p. 72/73
According to Sonia Mary Cole, the town features 250 to 300 houses and an ancient temple. The temple was constructed of carefully dressed stone, and was later transformed into a mosque. It also features pottery lamps. Altogether, the building techniques, among other factors, point to a close association with Aksumite archaeological sites from the 2nd to 5th centuries CE.
Cole, Sonia Mary (1964). The Prehistory of East Africa. Weidenfeld & Nicolson. p. 275."
Simodi
Chilling in Quljeed
Go focus on Gobolka Cayn. This region doesnt belong to you anyway.
Once again, I am not Lasanod.
Anyways, the article you cited is interesting, but it is nonetheless quite poor. This article is simply an interview with a man and It's quite clear that this man and the interviewer are unsure as to what they are talking about as they makes several contradictions.
Such as the interviewer stating that:
(1)The Inhabitants of Zeila are not Somalis. This is false:
First century (Periplus):
"[....]Berbers who live in the place are very unruly[...]"
Fourteenth Century (Ibn Battuta):
"[...]He described the inhabitants as "Barbara[...]""
(2)The Galla inhabited the mainland during the rule of Sa'ad ad-Din. This is false:
Fourteenth Century (Ibn Battuta):
"[...]He described the inhabitants as "Barbara[...]"
(3) Sa'ad ad-Din was an Arab. This is false:
Sheikh Abibakr Ba-Awali Ashanbali:
______"[...]was a descendant of Sheikh Yusuf Al-Kowneyn[...]" whom is a Somali saint
Source:
http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/ancient/periplus.asp
http://dspace-roma3.caspur.it/bitstream/2307/1026/5/34_M. A. RIRASH - Effects of sixteenth century upheavals on the history of the horn.pdf
http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his311/lectures/16battut.htm
As for the man being interviewed he claims that:
(1)All of the Harla have vanished and is unaware to where, but goes on to claim that he himself is one of them.
(2)He also goes on to assert that Arawelo was their Queen despite being nothing more than a legendary Somali Queen.
(3)That the people of Zeila call themselves "Harla" despite no community within the city doing such. Could be referring to the Somalis near Harar.
(4) Interestingly enough, the man in question states that the daughter of the Harla "Sherlahgamahdi" was killed. For those unaware, Sharlagamadi is literally a Somali saint. More importantly, these overlappings aren't surprising since many historians state that the Harla my not have been a distinct ethnic group at all. Even the town itself is named after the Somali Saint Amud.
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Sources:
https://books.google.com/books?ei=Y5bbU-WYHISgogSTxIGgCw&output=html_text&id=rqAYAAAAYAAJ&dq="Harla+harari+somali&focus=searchwithinvolume&q="mixted+Harari/Somali+stock"
https://books.google.com/books?id=2Nu918tYMB8C&pg=PA86&dq="folk+stories+about+Queen+araweelo"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicrP3y0uHUAhXH8j4KHXryBVIQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q="folk stories about Queen araweelo"&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?ei=Y5bbU-WYHISgogSTxIGgCw&output=html_text&id=rqAYAAAAYAAJ&dq="Harla+harari+somali&focus=searchwithinvolume&q="mixted+Harari/Somali+stock"
https://books.google.com/books?id=M6NI2FejIuwC&pg=PA148&dq="Saint+amud"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis7ZPm2eHUAhVMeD4KHRyeDEMQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q="Saint amud"&f=false
Although you did provide an article regarding the Harla, its not specifically related to the town in question.
This thread is about Jarahorato. Take your pseudo-history on Somali origins here:
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/the-origins-of-our-people.20088/page-9#post-672249
AceofSom
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Bro don't bother replying to that old cadaan guy named Grant, hes trying to distort Somali history.
Thanks ,dear fellow ,for indeed you have summarised the issue rather splendidly .the whole topic is based on suugo scientific evidence . Just read the rubbish quoted from sada mire to see the state Somali history is in .
The whole thread started by people who suffer from inferiority complex and trying to create new history for themselves. Thank you
Simodi
Chilling in Quljeed
Apologies for the Prince of Las Anod, unfortumately he has been stalking me for a while so I had to keep my guard up.
Firstly, there are many errors in that which you have cited. I'll touch upon these later.
I actually believe these ancient inhabitants were proto-Somalis. Call them whatever you like. Harla is a name that is common to the people who lived there.
You say that there are contradictions in the interviews, yet you didn't mention any of those contradictions. Strange. The burden of proof is upon the claimant.
There are many scholars that believe that the inhabitants were Harla. Amongst them are Huntingford, Chambard and others.
This book is good: Joussaume, Roger (1976). "Fouille d'un tumulus à Ganda Hassan Abdi dans les monts du Harar"
Names are resources. It doesnt really matter what you call them. either way I do believe they were proto-Somalis or ancestral Somalis. The name Harla doesn't contradict this in anyway because there was probably mass assimilation. There is a lot of evidence to suggest this to. Read: The proceedings of the First International Congress of Somali Studies. Scholars Press. 1992. p. 155. Retrieved 12 March 2017. It speaks about the assimilation of many Harla groups to the Oromo ethnic group.
Also, your evidences isn't explicit. You happened to have only mentioned the word: 'Berbers' as if that is the only means of identification. The name BERBER, wasn't exclusive to the Somalis. That's where your WRONG. Read this:
Although the name Berber appears to date from thousands of years ago in the Nilotic and East African area, among the earliest mentions of the people by the Greeks was in the region of Somalia and the Horn. According to certain more recent historians the name "Berber" in Horn of Africa “probably included the ancestors of the Bejas between the Nile and Red Sea, the Danakils between the Upper Nile, Abyssinia and the Gulf of Aden and the Somals and Gallas” (Schoff, 1912, p. 56).
So Berbers doesn't correlate with Somalis alone but ALL Cushitic groups.
In regards to ancient Amoud, the people who live there today are the Reer Nuur of Samaroon. They don't know the history of the place. If you ask them, they will say dadkii hore. The earlier peoples. They probably are the descendants of those ancient people, I have no doubt about that, the only problem I have with your position is that it seems you are denying the fact that Somalis descend from an ancient proto Somali group that could have been Harla.
I could be wrong and you could be right, I'm willing to read whatever information you have to prove explicity that I'm wrong.
Indeed, at the time of the Periplus (the first century) the term "Berber" also referred to other coastal Cushitic groups. However, by the time of the medieval era it referred exclusively to ethnic Somalis.
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Sources:
https://books.google.com/books?id=DPwOsOcNy5YC&pg=PA3&dq="The+Arabs,+particularly+the+Yemenis+and+Omanis,+traded+with+Somalia+before+the+Islamic+era+and+knew+Somalia+as+the+bilaad+al-Berber+(land+of+the+Berbers)"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMr8zOlOzUAhUJPT4KHYOoAVQQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q="The Arabs, particularly the Yemenis and Omanis, traded with Somalia before the Islamic era and knew Somalia as the bilaad al-Berber (land of the Berbers)"&f=false
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In regards to "contradictions" I was referring to what is already known about Somali history as well as their own statements. I linked below to the relevant reply. Anyways, I wasn't disputing that they were "proto-Somali", rather whether or not they formed a distinct ethnic group. Seeing how Berber referred to Cushitic groups in contrast to Al-Habash (Habesha) it would seem that the Harla may have been Cushitic at the very least.
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Link:
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...and-queen-of-the-harla-people.26410/add-reply
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Sources:
https://books.google.com/books?id=DPwOsOcNy5YC&pg=PA3&dq="The+Arabs,+particularly+the+Yemenis+and+Omanis,+traded+with+Somalia+before+the+Islamic+era+and+knew+Somalia+as+the+bilaad+al-Berber+(land+of+the+Berbers)"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMr8zOlOzUAhUJPT4KHYOoAVQQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q="The Arabs, particularly the Yemenis and Omanis, traded with Somalia before the Islamic era and knew Somalia as the bilaad al-Berber (land of the Berbers)"&f=false
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In regards to "contradictions" I was referring to what is already known about Somali history as well as their own statements. I linked below to the relevant reply. Anyways, I wasn't disputing that they were "proto-Somali", rather whether or not they formed a distinct ethnic group. Seeing how Berber referred to Cushitic groups in contrast to Al-Habash (Habesha) it would seem that the Harla may have been Cushitic at the very least.
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Link:
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...and-queen-of-the-harla-people.26410/add-reply
If this is truly his goal, then it would be best to correct his inaccuracies. Nonetheless, Grant is free to believe whatever he wants.
Grant gurey (you need a Somali name ) ,
Please elaborate on the DNa comment and what it has proved .
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