Jubbaland: 'We will not share our resources with the SFG'

[Thegoodshepherd]

Jubaland has most of Somalia's resources, whether it is water, farmland, coast, forest, quality grazing land, sea port, airport. The only thing it lacks are roads.

If Jubaland is not willing to share resources with the federal government, that is more than a 50% loss in potential future revenues. Somalia''s future is Jubaland, and a non cooperative Jubaland means no future for Somalia. Good on Ahmed Madoobe for being prudent, don't want mooryaan having a claim on our resources in the future.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Jubaland has most of Somalia's resources, whether it is water, farmland, coast, forest, quality grazing land, sea port, airport. The only thing it lacks are roads.

If Jubaland is not willing to share resources with the federal government, that is more than a 50% loss in potential future revenues. Somalia''s future is Jubaland, and a non cooperative Jubaland means no future for Somalia. Good on Ahmed Madoobe for being prudent, don't want mooryaan having a claim on our resources in the future.

The minister is Dhulbahante and the President is Mareexan.

What on earth does this have to do with Hawiye?

 

[TSP]

@Thegoodshepherd, Jubbaland can't even extract most of its natural resources because the Jubbaland militia only exerts control over Kismayo and the road to Ras Kamboni. They really don't have much leverage, to begin with, compared to Puntland in this negotiations because if SFG does most of the heavy lifting in clearing out the enemy elements inside JB, then Madobe should have no qualms in any future agreements done with the SFG

How can the republic of Somalia prosper if we harbor mistrust towards one another.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

@Thegoodshepherd, Jubbaland can't even extract most of its natural resources because the Jubbaland militia only exerts control over Kismayo and the road to Ras Kamboni. They really don't have much leverage, to begin with, compared to Puntland in this negotiations because if SFG does most of the heavy lifting in clearing out the enemy elements inside JB, then Madobe should have no qualms in any future agreements done with the SFG

How can the republic of Somalia prosper if we harbor mistrust towards one another.

I simply do not trust the SFG at all and see it as no different than USC. I don't want any SFG forces, read Hawiye forces, within Jubaland. I would much rather Jubaland build a militia that takes its orders from Kismaayo, and fight Alshabab that way. Jubaland should never ask the SFG for any help other than wages for soldiers and access to its share of international military aid. If You want Jubaland to be successful as a federal state, you better hope it follows Puntland's example.

The Republic of Somalia is a legal fiction that we have to pretend is real because secession is not possible.

 

[TSP]

I simply do not trust the SFG at all and see it as no different than USC. I don't want any SFG forces, read Hawiye forces, within Jubaland. I would much rather Jubaland build a militia that takes its orders from Kimaayo, and fight Alshabab that way. Jubaland should never ask the SFG for any help other than wages for soldiers and access to its share of international military aid. If You want Jubaland to be successful as a federal state, you better hope it follows Puntland's example.

The Republic of Somalia is a legal fiction that we have to pretend is real because secession is not possible.

I follow your logic, but you're forgetting one part about Jubaland: it's an open secret that it's a buffer state constructed by Kenya. They're fucking taking a cut out of the charcoal trade, how do you know they won't do the same for all other natural resources inside Jubaland. This is why I hope every federal state is under the orbit of the SFG instead of this status quo where foreign states eats from our God given resources.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I follow your logic, but you're forgetting one part about Jubaland: it's an open secret that it's a buffer state constructed by Kenya. They're fucking taking a cut out of the charcoal trade, how do you know they won't do the same for all other natural resources inside Jubaland. This is why I hope every federal state is under the orbit of the SFG instead of this status quo where foreign states eats from our God given resources.

Jubbaland, South West, Hiirshabelle and Galmudug should just form one super state tbh. Federalism only works in everything north of Gaalkacyo because it's pure tribal lands with no mixed regions.

Let this massive state share everything between each other and form a central government.

 

[TSP]

Jubbaland, South West, Hiirshabelle and Galmudug should just form one super state tbh. Federalism only works in everything north of Gaalkacyo because it's pure tribal lands with no mixed regions.

Let this massive state share everything between each other and form a central government.

You're right sxb, I hope this idea gains traction inshallah

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

You're right sxb, I hope this idea gains traction inshallah

Puntland can join if it wants, if not it should just pay taxes and do their own thing. But foreign policy and defense should all be one institution.

 

[Abdalla]

If anything south of Galkacyo had a working system, Somalia wouldn't be in this mess

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

If anything south of Galkacyo had a working system, Somalia wouldn't be in this mess

Anything north of Galkacyo is not worth fighting for.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

I follow your logic, but you're forgetting one part about Jubaland: it's an open secret that it's a buffer state constructed by Kenya. They're fucking taking a cut out of the charcoal trade, how do you know they won't do the same for all other natural resources inside Jubaland. This is why I hope every federal state is under the orbit of the SFG instead of this status quo where foreign states eats from our God given resources.

Kenya's main prerogative is not to take Jubaland's resources, other than the sea dispute. It has resources that dwarf anything Somalis can ever hope for. Its main objective is simply to contain the jihadists in Somalia and limit spillover. If Jubaland manages to build a militia that can push Alshabab back into Bay&Bakool, Kenya's presence will no longer be needed. There is nothing Somalia has, other than the sea, that interests Kenya or Ethiopia in the slightest. They are each 10x more naturally endowed than Somalia.

The Kenyan presence in Jubaland is a golden opportunity because it means that you can move Jubaland's entire militia out of Kismayo and be sure that it won't fall to Hawiye or Alshabab, read Rahanweyn, while you are out fighting. Kenya provides a fall back in case the war against Alshabab is more difficult than imagined.

 

[Shangani]

The amount of brain dead somalis out there makes just want be American only its 2017 qabil has no fucking role in you're lives except to divide the same people more but since y'all have the fucking IQ's of snails its the most important thing in your sad lives f*ck ever single qabil out there at the end of the day the rest of the world sees you as a braindead starving somali that has all the resources and ability o be self reliant and thrive kill each other over who the f*ck there grandfather hundreds of years ago was and go to war over dusty ass 5th world villages they call cities f*ck you, you're qabil, and your backward brain dead tribal state. FIRST COMES YOURE COUNTRY ALWAYS SOMALIA.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Claiming Xamar first and now trying to talk your way into Junbaland by shit talking hawiye ? You wanted Federalism it's not our fault your region is poor in resources but trying to blame hawiye while farmajo is president is just a baseless agurment.
First in that Xamar thread and now in Jubbaland.
9/10 times it's reer Triangle that tries and turn these threads in muh Hawiye vs Darod while blasting other Darod clans and saying you don't belong with them in other threads.

 

[Ras]

Somalia's tax code is convoluted for a reason. It's to provide plenty of loopholes for "opportunists" in the government.

However if I'm an investor; how can I trust the feds to stick to the same tax rates? What stops them from randomly forcing me to pay extra like when gangs charge protection rackets that go up whenever the gangs feel like it.

Xamar should own 0% of the resources and other income generating assets in the states and instead get those states to pay tax to them. In return Xamar pays for whatever the states need and all the transactions are transparent. If they keep on fucking up basic stuff like tax then Somalia will take decades to recover.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

They will share it with Nairobi

 

[Lord Flacko]

No. This is how it chronologically went down

1: Meeting xamar to scan each others needs and point noses to same direction for the upcoming meeting in Seychelles. Successful
2: Meeting Seychelles for an expert meeting. Deal was made, every federal state wanted that dea. The minister doesn't show up but sends representatives. A deal is made here.
3: Ministers says the next day talks have collapsed
4; Jubbaland says, the talks were successful and the minister shouldn't deny the deal we made. Because he denied, we won't participate in any resource sharing talks.

That's not what happened or what the document says.

The deal was never made at the Seychelles event. PL and JL apparently did not agree with the deal which is why both didn't sign it and the deal collapsed.

 

[mrdeeni]

This was about tuna fish, but could serve a premise for further resource sharing. There were two meeting one in Mogadishu and the other in Seychelles. The minister didn't bother to show up at the conference in Seychelles, but sent dignitaries on his behalf. There was initially a deal of 70-30 share. All the federal member states and representatives of the SFG agreed to that deal. Even Jubbaland is stating in their letter in the OP that the denial of the minister of the Seychelles deal is a reason for them to stop talks about further resource sharing
http://www.garoweonline.com/en/news...member-states-agree-to-share-fishing-revenues

It was actually a huge success, but the minister made it seem like some parties left the negotiation table.

This my growing pet peeve with Farmaajo WHY ISNT HE HERE PUSHING TO MAKE SURE THESE DEALS GET DONE or THE PM ! instead all we keep getting is these FUCKING photo OPS ! i swear this is the first time i followed the somali gov closely and it has made me realize HSM wasn't as bad as people portaid him and Farmaajo will only be slightly better!

Sad times !!! Ya allah !!! bless us with a active leader whos isnt afraid. Who will go to these type of meetings! who will go VISIT different part of Somalia fearlessly who at least make his present know throughout the region and not only Mogadishu and international trips !!

When will Somali leaders REALIZE we DON'T NEED A LEADER WHO WILL BEGS FOR INTERNATIONAL AID BUT A LEADER WHO GOES to SEE HIS PEOPLE WHO WILL RISK HIS OWN LIFE BY fighting got them and showing his face near the front lines!

 

[McLovin]

The amount of brain dead somalis out there makes just want be American only its 2017 qabil has no fucking role in you're lives except to divide the same people more but since y'all have the fucking IQ's of snails its the most important thing in your sad lives f*ck ever single qabil out there at the end of the day the rest of the world sees you as a braindead starving somali that has all the resources and ability o be self reliant and thrive kill each other over who the f*ck there grandfather hundreds of years ago was and go to war over dusty ass 5th world villages they call cities f*ck you, you're qabil, and your backward brain dead tribal state. FIRST COMES YOURE COUNTRY ALWAYS SOMALIA.

Am too considering diluting my blood with cadaan and joining the ethno-cultural mosaic of Europe

 

[Inquisitive_]

The minister is Dhulbahante and the President is Mareexan.

What on earth does this have to do with Hawiye?

I don't know why you are so surprised, your dealing with a people whom corrupted Siyad Berre by reviving qabyaalad that was long dead that ultimately lead to civil war, they went after him why do you think they would spare these?

It's exactly the same type of dangerous language being used to intentionally incite people into mindless conflict and qabiilism, which for a very long time worked and the mindless Somali masses bought into.

Remember how the munafiq's during the time of the Prophet almost managed to split the new companions into two tribal groups until the Prophet intervened, it was started by a mere slogan (Yaa Ansar) and the other group responded likewise until it grew bigger and bigger, that's all it takes sxb

 

[Abdalla]

That's not what happened or what the document says.

The deal was never made at the Seychelles event. PL and JL apparently did not agree with the deal which is why both didn't sign it and the deal collapsed.

If your command over the Somali is limited, you could type over the entire letter and translate it to Finnish with google translator? It literally says that the demands of the SFG were met, despite that the federal states finding it difficult but they compromised it for 'danta qaranka'.