khawarij soo gala

[Karim]

I guess you know better than al Asqalani,al Suyuti,al Nawawi,al Barzanji (raximullah) and many other great Sunni Shafi’i scholars of the classical era (your madhab) this topic has been debated centuries ago this is not up for debate anymore that window has closed bro

http://www.muwatta.com/the-mawlid-un-nabi/

This is a direct quote of ابن حجر العسقلاني:
"The basis for celebrating the Mawlid is innovation. It was not narrated from any of the righteous early Muslims of the first three generations".

This innovation was initially started by the of misguided Fatimiyyin dynasty of Egypt 5 centuries after the death of prophet S.C.W.

Innovation is Bid'ca. Are you actually advocating for something started 4-5 centuries after the death of the prophet?! Really?!

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Im sufi like my sufi saint forfathers. Im from mudug the strong hold of the sufi of somalia.

Why should somalis follow salfism wahabi khawarij created recently and abandon the tawassul and dhikr and xadro of the forefathers? Even the futuh were sufi mujahids. Why should we abandon the path of our forefathers?

@Timo Madow and proud @Timo jileec @Farm @Crow @nine @Shaolin23

Saudi brainwashing during the civil war. I am from Woqooyi Galbeed and it's still mostly Sufi there.

 

[feen]

i have notice every time they try to justify the Bid'ca they are doing , they bring up how the Saudis into conversation and how bad the Saudis are. mawlid is a Bid'ca point blank, no debate.

 

[Shaolin23]

This is a fatwa from Sh.Yusuf al Qaradawi of Al Azhar University on mawlid the validity and its origins

Wa`alykum As-salaamu wa Rahmatul Allahi wa Barakaatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah , and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, first of all, we’d like to voice our appreciation for the great confidence you repose in us. Our utmost wish is to have our efforts come up to your expectation. May Allah help us all keep firm on the straight path, Amen!

It is permissible to celebrate the Prophet’s birthday as an expression of love to the Prophet provided that the celebration doesn’t involve any of the prohibited acts.

In this regard, we would like to cite for you the following fatwa issued by Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, in which he states the following:

According to historians, the Fatimides were the first to celebrate the Prophet’s birthday. Qalqashandi, in his bookSubh Al-A`sha, says that the Fatimides used to make a huge celebration in Egypt and distribute large amounts of sweets for the occasion. Actually, the Fatimides used to celebrate the birthdays of other members of the Prophet’s family and they also celebrated Christ’s birthday.

However, all of these celebrations were stopped in 488 upon an order from Caliph Al-Musta`li billah appointed as prime minister Al-Afdal Shahindah, son of Commander-in-chief Badr Al-Jamali, a powerful man who conformed to the Sunnah as stated by Ibn Al-Atheer in his book Al-Kamel, volume 8, page 302.

People stopped celebrating such occasions till Al-Ma’mun Al-Bata’ihi came to power and issued an official decree in 517 enjoining the distribution of alms in 12th Rabee` Al-Awwal. Sanaa’ Al-Malik was in charge of distributing them.

When the Ayoubides came to power, they stopped all Fatimide practices, but families used to celebrate the Prophet’s birthday in their houses. Then it returned to be officially celebrated at the beginning of the seventh century in the city of Irbil upon a decree from its prince, Muzafar Al-Deen Abi Sa`d Kawakbri Ibn Zein Ed-Deen `Ali- Ibn Tabakatikin, who was a Sunni.

Muzafar gave great care and attention to such celebrations and ordered marquis to be erected starting from the beginning of Safar. Such tents, which were wonderfully decorated and extended from Al-Qal`a gate till the Khandaq gate. Muzafar used to go everyday after `Asr prayer to watch the festivities in these tents.

The celebration was sometimes held on the 8th of Rabee` Al-Awwal (and sometimes on the 12th) which used to be an official holiday so that the people could enjoy the festival. Two days before the actual celebration, Muzafar used to order the sheep, cows and camels to be slaughtered in the main avenue amidst cheerful festivities, then the meat would be cooked and distributed among the people.

Ibn Al-Hajj Abu `Abdullah Al-`Abdari says that such festivals were widespread in Egypt during his rein and condemned the innovations that used to take place during such festivals. (Al-Madkhal, volume 2, p 11, 12)

Many books were written on the Prophet’s birthday in the seventh century such as the stories of Ibn Dahya, who died in Egypt in 633 AH, Muhy Ed-Deen Ibn Al-`Arabi, who died in Damascus in 683 AH, Ibn Taghrabik, who died in Egypt in 670 AH; and Ahmad Al-`Azli and his son Muhammad, who died in Sabata in 670 AH.

Due to the spread of innovation during such celebrations, scholars have denounced them and stated that they were groundless. Among those scholars is the Maliki jurist Taaj Ad-Deen `Umar Ibn Al-Lakhmi Al-Sakandari known as Al-Fakahani, who died in 731 AH; he wrote his thesis Al-Mawrid fil Kalam `Ala-Mawlid on this issue and As-Suyuti quotes it in his bookHusn Al-Maqsid.

Sheikh Muhammad Fadl `Ashur says that in the ninth century, scholars were divided over the issue. Some said it was permissible, others said it was not and it was recommended by As-Suyuti, Ibn Hajar Al-`Asqalani and Ibn Hajar Al-Haythmi, yet they condemned the innovations that took place during such festivities. Their opinion was derived from the verse: (And remind them of the days of Allah)(Ibrahim 14: 5).

Explaining the previous verse, An-Nasa`i and `Abdullah Ibn Ahmad report in Zaway’d Al-Musnad and Al-Bayhaqi inShu’ab Al-Imanreports on the authority of Ibn Ka`b that he said that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), said: ‘The days of Allah’ are Allah’s Blessings and Signs, and the Prophet’s birth is a great bliss.”(Al-Alusi’s Ruh Al-Ma`ani)

Muslim reports on the authority of Qatadah Al-Ansari that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), was asked about fasting on Monday and he replied:“It is the day on which I was born and on which I received the Divine Revelation”.It is also reported on the authority of Ibn `Abbas and Ibn Jabir that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was born in the “year of the elephant” on the 12th of Rabee` Al-Awwal. He also received the Divine Revelation, ascended to the Heavens, migrated to Madinah and died on the 12th of Rabee` Al-Awwal.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), says that the day he was born was a special day. Since it is well known from the Shari`ah that Muslims should seize the opportunity in blessed days and do good deeds, Muslims should celebrate the Prophet’s birthday so as to thank Allah for guiding them to Islam through Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

Therefore, celebrating the Prophet’s birthday is permissible provided that it does not include committing any of the prohibited things. As for throwing banquets, this comes under the verse saying: (O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you, and render thanks to Allah if it is (indeed) He whom ye worship.‏) (Al-Baqarah 2: 172)

My opinion is that celebrating such a religious occasion is recommended especially nowadays for youth have become forgetful of these religious occasions and their significance because they have indulged in other celebrations.

Celebrating such a great event should be done through reading more about the Prophet’s Sunnah and life, building mosques, religious institutes and doing other forms of charity work that remind people of the Prophet’s life and his struggle.

Therefore, it is permissible to celebrate the Prophet’s birthday as an expression of our love to him and our endeavor to follow him as an example provided that these celebrations do not involve any of the prohibited things. Some prohibited things are improper intermingling between men and women, behaving improperly at mosques and partaking in innovations such as worshiping at tombs and other things that violate the teachings of Islam. If such previously mentioned violations surpass the religious benefit realized from these celebrations, then they should be stopped in order to prevent harm and wrongdoing as indicated in the Shari`ah.

 

[Shaolin23]

Moreover, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, adds:

We all know that the Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not celebrate the Prophet’s birthday, Hijrah or the Battle of Badr, because they witnessed such events during the lifetime of the Prophet who always remained in their hearts and minds.

Sa`d ibn Abi Waqqas said that they were keen on telling their children the stories of the Prophet’s battles just as they were keen on teaching them the Qur’an. Therefore, they used to remind their children of what happened during the Prophet’s lifetime so they did not need to hold such celebrations. However, the following generations began to forget such a glorious history and its significance. So such celebrations were held as a means of reviving great events and the values that we can learn from them.

Unfortunately, such celebrations include some innovations when they should actually be made to remind people of the Prophet’s life and his call. Actually, celebrating the Prophet’s birthday means celebrating the birth of Islam. Such an occasion is meant to remind people of how the Prophet lived.

Allah Almighty says: (Verily in the Messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last Day, and remembereth Allah much.)(Al-Ahzab 33: 21)
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By celebrating the Prophet’s Hijrah, we should teach people values such as sacrifice, the sacrifice of the Companions, the sacrifice of `Ali who slept in the Prophet’s place on the night of the Hijrah, the sacrifice of Asma’ as she ascended the Mountain of Thawr. We should teach them to plan the way the Prophet planned for his Hijrah, and how to trust in Allah as the Prophet did when Abu Bakr told him: We could be seen so easily, the Prophet replied saying: “O Abu Bakr! What do you think of two when Allah is their third?”(Have no fear, for Allah is with us.)(At-Tawbah 9: 40)

We need all these lessons and such celebrations are a revival of these lessons and values. I think that these celebrations, if done in the proper way, will serve a great purpose, getting Muslims closer to the teachings of Islam and to the Prophet’s Sunnah and life.

As for celebrating `Ashura’, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), celebrated this day by fasting only. He asked the Jews why they fasted on that day and they told him that it was the day that Allah saved Moses and the people of Israel. The Prophet replied saying: “We have more of a right to Moses than you.”So he fasted on that day and ordered the people to fast on that day. He also said near the end of his life: “By Allah, if I lived longer I would fast on the 9th of Muharram.”That is, that he would fast on the 9th and the 10th in order to be different from the Jews who fast on the 10th only. However, some of the Sunnis celebrate `Ashura as if it were a feast. The Shi`ah consider it a day of sadness and mourning, but all such things are innovations and are completely un-Islamic.

As for the second part of the question, the exact date of the Prophet’s birth is controversial, but it is most likely to be on Monday, 9th Rabee` Al-Awwal (20th or 22nd of April, 571 AC), the same year in which the invasion of the Elephants took place against the Ka`bah. And he (peace and blessings be upon him) passed away on Monday 12, Rabee` Al-Awwal in the eleventh year of Hijrah (8 June 632 AC.)

@Crow @Karim @Libaaxseendheer @Timo Madow and proud

 

[Karim]

Moreover, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, adds:

We all know that the Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not celebrate the Prophet’s birthday, Hijrah or the Battle of Badr, because they witnessed such events during the lifetime of the Prophet who always remained in their hearts and minds.

Sa`d ibn Abi Waqqas said that they were keen on telling their children the stories of the Prophet’s battles just as they were keen on teaching them the Qur’an. Therefore, they used to remind their children of what happened during the Prophet’s lifetime so they did not need to hold such celebrations. However, the following generations began to forget such a glorious history and its significance. So such celebrations were held as a means of reviving great events and the values that we can learn from them.

Unfortunately, such celebrations include some innovations when they should actually be made to remind people of the Prophet’s life and his call. Actually, celebrating the Prophet’s birthday means celebrating the birth of Islam. Such an occasion is meant to remind people of how the Prophet lived.

Allah Almighty says: (Verily in the Messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last Day, and remembereth Allah much.)(Al-Ahzab 33: 21)
‏
By celebrating the Prophet’s Hijrah, we should teach people values such as sacrifice, the sacrifice of the Companions, the sacrifice of `Ali who slept in the Prophet’s place on the night of the Hijrah, the sacrifice of Asma’ as she ascended the Mountain of Thawr. We should teach them to plan the way the Prophet planned for his Hijrah, and how to trust in Allah as the Prophet did when Abu Bakr told him: We could be seen so easily, the Prophet replied saying: “O Abu Bakr! What do you think of two when Allah is their third?”(Have no fear, for Allah is with us.)(At-Tawbah 9: 40)

We need all these lessons and such celebrations are a revival of these lessons and values. I think that these celebrations, if done in the proper way, will serve a great purpose, getting Muslims closer to the teachings of Islam and to the Prophet’s Sunnah and life.

As for celebrating `Ashura’, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), celebrated this day by fasting only. He asked the Jews why they fasted on that day and they told him that it was the day that Allah saved Moses and the people of Israel. The Prophet replied saying: “We have more of a right to Moses than you.”So he fasted on that day and ordered the people to fast on that day. He also said near the end of his life: “By Allah, if I lived longer I would fast on the 9th of Muharram.”That is, that he would fast on the 9th and the 10th in order to be different from the Jews who fast on the 10th only. However, some of the Sunnis celebrate `Ashura as if it were a feast. The Shi`ah consider it a day of sadness and mourning, but all such things are innovations and are completely un-Islamic.

As for the second part of the question, the exact date of the Prophet’s birth is controversial, but it is most likely to be on Monday, 9th Rabee` Al-Awwal (20th or 22nd of April, 571 AC), the same year in which the invasion of the Elephants took place against the Ka`bah. And he (peace and blessings be upon him) passed away on Monday 12, Rabee` Al-Awwal in the eleventh year of Hijrah (8 June 632 AC.)

@Crow @Karim @Libaaxseendheer @Timo Madow and proud

Long essay full of words without any reference of authentic Hadeeths and Quranic verses. Your post basically says the purpose of Mowlid is to revive and remind people the significance of early Islamic events which is just an excuse to deviate and mislead the general populace and encourage to innovate more events like this.

One Hadeeth is enough to debunk your argument:
إِنَّ أَصْدَقَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَأَحْسَنَ الْهَدْىِ هَدْىُ مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرَّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ وَكُلَّ ضَلاَلَةٍ فِي النَّارِ ‏"

"The truest of word is the Book of Allah and best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those that are newly invented; every newly-invented thing is an innovation and every innovation is going astray, and every going astray is in the Fire."

 

[Shaolin23]

Long essay full of words without any reference of authentic Hadeeths and Quranic verses. Your post basically says the purpose of Mowlid is to revive and remind people the significance of early Islamic events which is just an excuse to deviate and mislead the general populace and encourage to innovate more events like this.

One Hadeeth is enough to debunk your argument:
إِنَّ أَصْدَقَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَأَحْسَنَ الْهَدْىِ هَدْىُ مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرَّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ وَكُلَّ ضَلاَلَةٍ فِي النَّارِ ‏"

"The truest of word is the Book of Allah and best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those that are newly invented; every newly-invented thing is an innovation and every innovation is going astray, and every going astray is in the Fire."

Ok cool you’re now more knowledgeable in hadith than Sh.Qaradawi one of the greatest contemporary scholars as if he didn’t understand that hadith himself before issuing that fatwa it’s not me you’re debating I’m not a sheikh and neither are you unless you believe in interpreting the Qur’an and Hadith you’re own self even as a novice a common practice of Wahhabis

 

[Karim]

Ok cool you’re now more knowledgeable in hadith than Sh.Qaradawi one of the greatest contemporary scholars as if he didn’t understand that hadith himself before issuing that fatwa it’s not me you’re debating I’m not a sheikh and neither are you unless you believe in interpreting the Qur’an and Hadith you’re own self even as a novice a common practice of Wahhabis

This isn't a case of Wahhabi vs Sufi. Bring forth your evidence and that's it.

The Hadeeth that I brought to you is hugely popular, every Friday Khutba the Imams declaim that Hadeeth to the audience.

The Hadeeth says "every newly-invented thing is an innovation and every innovation is going astray..." You have to deeply understand the word used in this Hadeeth which is "every". There's no good or bad innovation... Every innovation added to the religion is bad.

 

[Suldaanka]

Ok cool you’re now more knowledgeable in hadith than Sh.Qaradawi one of the greatest contemporary scholars as if he didn’t understand that hadith himself before issuing that fatwa it’s not me you’re debating I’m not a sheikh and neither are you unless you believe in interpreting the Qur’an and Hadith you’re own self even as a novice a common practice of Wahhabis

Sh qaradawi is more knowledgeable about the Deen than AbuBakr ra?
Bal ka jawab. Mowlid is a copy of Christmas. Its bidah.

 

[nine]

I never celebrated Mowlid and I oppose Mudug style Sufism.

 

[NFD]

I told you I am Shafci.

Somalis Sufis are also Shafi'i. Many people seem to think sufism is its own sect.

There is NO authentic hadeeth or verse from the Quran that says we should celebrate the prophet's birthday S.CW.

وكل بدعة ضلالة وكل ضلالة فى النار
It's a bid'ca (deeds not done by the prophet nor his Sahaba).
Did any of the imaams Abu Haneefah, Maalik, al-Shaafi’i, Ahmad, al-Hasan al-Basri, Ibn Seereen, do this or command others to do it or say that it was good? NO! It was not even mentioned during the first and best three centuries.

OP, stop spreading Bid'ca.

This isn't an argument.

 

[NFD]

As it relates to the Mawlid. Sufis and other Muslims recognize the Prophet's pbuh birth (which the prophet also did) by doing dhikr and reading quran etc. It's not really a celebration or party like people make it seem. It's an Islamic gathering with food.

 

[Cigaal]

I never understood why people make such a big deal about mawlid. There’s a difference of opinion just like lots of issues in fiqh. Get over it.

 

[Fiidmeer]

You people use khawaarij without knowing the meaning and dangers of using it. Be careful sxbyaal.

 

[Reer-Bari]

Uff. I am not khawarij.

I am Shafci. I don't know enough about Sufi ideology to comment on it but it is welcome in Somalia.

i am a muslim that also follows the teaching of imam shafci. but imam shafci is a salafi. the word salaf means and descrisbes the importan ancestors. the ones who came before us. it means the first 3 generations of pious scholars. imam shafici, imam hanbali, imam maliki and imam hanafi all followed the salaf. so guys please learn instead of using the same hate mongering tactics the western media and the opprossers use to try to split muslims into groups. its simple we are all muslims. in the time of the prophet (SAW) there was no such thing as sunni, shia, sufi. salaf just means following the sunnah of the prohet and the quran and nothing else. bro if your a sufi i wont judge because i dont know enough about sufism but i have sufi friends. WARNING: please brothers and sisters before anyone of us comments and starts a debate about this topic note that if you havent studied for years and arnt realy knowledgble like me and most of us arnt we should not go any further. just know this wahabi and salafi bullshit people are spewing doesnt really exist. all the scholars are parents and 90% of the sunni muslims follow are consider following the salaf

 

[Young Popeye]

This isn't a case of Wahhabi vs Sufi. Bring forth your evidence and that's it.

The Hadeeth that I brought to you is hugely popular, every Friday Khutba the Imams declaim that Hadeeth to the audience.

The Hadeeth says "every newly-invented thing is an innovation and every innovation is going astray..." You have to deeply understand the word used in this Hadeeth which is "every". There's no good or bad innovation... Every innovation added to the religion is bad.

Khutba where? Wahabi masjid right? Here is hadith "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Sahih Muslim no. 1017)

 

[Young Popeye]

You people use khawaarij without knowing the meaning and dangers of using it. Be careful sxbyaal.

Do you have any knowledge? Wahabis were declared Khawarij by Ibn Abidin a prominent muslim scholar in Ottoman Syria

 

[Young Popeye]

i am a muslim that also follows the teaching of imam shafci. but imam shafci is a salafi. the word salaf means and descrisbes the importan ancestors. the ones who came before us. it means the first 3 generations of pious scholars. imam shafici, imam hanbali, imam maliki and imam hanafi all followed the salaf. so guys please learn instead of using the same hate mongering tactics the western media and the opprossers use to try to split muslims into groups. its simple we are all muslims. in the time of the prophet (SAW) there was no such thing as sunni, shia, sufi. salaf just means following the sunnah of the prohet and the quran and nothing else. bro if your a sufi i wont judge because i dont know enough about sufism but i have sufi friends. WARNING: please brothers and sisters before anyone of us comments and starts a debate about this topic note that if you havent studied for years and arnt realy knowledgble like me and most of us arnt we should not go any further. just know this wahabi and salafi bullshit people are spewing doesnt really exist. all the scholars are parents and 90% of the sunni muslims follow are consider following the salaf

Oh you follow Shafi'i but what is your aqeedah wahhabism? You see Wahhabism is both a school of law and a creed. Shafi'i is just a school of law. I dont think you're a Shafi'i following Ash'ari or Maturidi, you may be following the kafir named ibn taymiyah like most wahhabis, even though wahhabis are not as extreme as the full blown salafis who reject hanbali law. There's quite a few Shafi-Salafis, Hanafi-Salafis etc. In other words either you're full blown wahhabi or not u r counted with the dammed kufar. retake your shahadah if you follow wahhabism

 

[Cigaal]

Oh you follow Shafi'i but what is your aqeedah wahhabism? You see Wahhabism is both a school of law and a creed. Shafi'i is just a school of law. I dont think you're a Shafi'i following Ash'ari or Maturidi, you may be following the kafir named ibn taymiyah like most wahhabis, even though wahhabis are not as extreme as the full blown salafis who reject hanbali law. There's quite a few Shafi-Salafis, Hanafi-Salafis etc. In other words either you're full blown wahhabi or not u r counted with the dammed kufar. retake your shahadah if you follow wahhabism

Don’t make takfir on ibn taymiyya. He may have been a controversial scholar who made some errors in aqeedah but he was a knowledgeable and sincere scholar.

 

[Young Popeye]

Don’t make takfir on ibn taymiyya. He may have been a controversial scholar who made some errors in aqeedah but he was a knowledgeable and sincere scholar.

Thats why you're a Wahhabi follower, he was declared a kafir by scholars, you just feel since wahhabis promote him as "shakh of islam" that he was a muslim. if you consider non muslim to be muslim then you become a kafir as well. Wahhabi greatest sheikh considered non muslim by sunnis its very sad