Kush or Axum

[Waaqo of Punt]

With pleasure. There's a whole website dedicated to the archeology of Somaliland and it talks a lot about Aksumite burial sites.

Here is the link to the website: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10437-015-9184-9

I'll give u a few snippets here...


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Go read this section sxb!
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Something interesting I found on the website @SOMALI GENERAL

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Aksumite influence was came all the way to berbera and Jewish/Christian symbols found in the Hargeysa region..damn.

Do you think the Tumaalod are remnants of the Axumites in SL/Djiobuti? Seems plausible.

More stuff on Akusumite influence in Hargeysa:

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@EDsomali read these 2 posts and go on the link.

The map already shows it but it's really small.

So yh, SL & Djiobuti wuz Axumite.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

@EDsomali read these 2 posts and go on the link.

The map already shows it but it's really small.

So yh, SL & Djiobuti wuz Axumite.

On a side note...Us Horn Africans have Kush & Axum; North Africans have Numidia, Ancient Egypt & Garamentes; West Africans have the Nok culture, but what ancient civilisation(s) do Southern Africans have?

 

[Samaalic Era]

On a side note...Us Horn Africans have Kush & Axum; North Africans have Numidia, Ancient Egypt & Garamentes; West Africans have the Nok culture, but what ancient civilisation(s) do Southern Africans have?

The hunter gatherers @DR OSMAN talks about

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

On a side note...Us Horn Africans have Kush & Axum; North Africans have Numidia, Ancient Egypt & Garamentes; West Africans have the Nok culture, but what ancient civilisation(s) do Southern Africans have?

lmao but in a way they had a terrifying 'empire'...the Bantu expansion.

They obliterated any ethnic or tribe in their way and spread to most of Africa. They wuz kangz in their own way.

I wonder how they did it though

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

lmao but in a way they had a terrifying 'empire'...the Bantu expansion.

They obliterated any ethnic or tribe in their way and spread to most of Africa. They wuz kangz in their own way.

I wonder how they did it though

Prior to the bantu expansion, Southern Africa was sparsely populated by khoisan peoples. Had the bantus not expanded into Southern Africa, there would've been a Dutch/Euro expansion in South Africa.

South Africa would've been majority Dutch/European.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Big ups to Waaqo of Punt!. I am most gratified to see others finally reading the same stuff I have been posting here for a long time. Of course it's Auxum. Waaqo's opponents are just spouting national qabyalad.

Kush ruled Egypt briefly, but the Kushites kept getting defeated and pushed up the Nile into Ethiopia. They had to move out of three capital cities.

Auxum conquered Kush, had ships and foreign trade, conquered areas in Yemen and the present day Saudi Arabia. They ruled the north Somali coast at least as far as Berbera.. After the Romans began their control of Egypt, Auxum was allied with Rome in the Red Sea trade.

People: For Goodness' sake, read Sade Mire or any good history of the Red Sea trade.

So that explains why I have Madow hair and a small forehead. I'm just a maternal Habash (probably raped) decedent.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Even if* that’s true. It would’ve been indigenous Somalis who were Christian. It has nothing to do with Ethiopian habeshis. This was pre-Islam (in the modern sense of the word) and it’s our history, at most Cushitic Horn history. No need to attribute to another backwards Cushitic tribe that is the Ethiopians who have a history of claiming other people’s history and their land.

They even claim Ahmad Guray to be theirs. Savages.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

They even claim Ahmad Guray to be theirs. Savages.

@Thegoodshepherd thinks he was Xabash too. The only hisotrians claiming he was Somali are Somali hisotrians. I think there was a confusion with a different Imam called Gurey, who was Somali. if u ask Hararis where the Imam was from they won't tell u Somalia.

 

[Apollo]

Prior to the bantu expansion, Southern Africa was sparsely populated by khoisan peoples. Had the bantus not expanded into Southern Africa, there would've been a Dutch/Euro expansion in South Africa.

South Africa would've been majority Dutch/European.

Nah, I doubt it.

Without the Zulu and other Bantus, it would have become like a Khoisan version of the Dominican Republic (majority half Khois) with Indian-Malay indentured servant admixture.

 

[Asaana]

stop picking maps from their early days, they ruled egypt and ahmaar was enslaved by Persia and egypt in the past, 2500 years go, and you are just picking old maps, get me maps when kush used to piss on egypt and enslaved egypt for almost 1000 years

And on top of that kush fought off the persians and defended egypt from them.

 

[EDsomali]

@EDsomali read these 2 posts and go on the link.

The map already shows it but it's really small.

So yh, SL & Djiobuti wuz Axumite.

Again I've read the paper and no where does it suggest that Axum ruled over the northern Somali coast.

The map only shows ruined towns not evidence of axum ruling over Somalia .

So again I ask where is the evidence for your unsubstantiated claims ?

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Again I've read the paper and no where does it suggest that Axum ruled over the northern Somali coast.

The map only shows ruined towns not evidence of axum ruling over Somalia .

So again I ask where is the evidence for your unsubstantiated claims ?

Why are you being obtuse?

It LITERALLY says that northern Somalia was part of Axum

There's LITERALLY a map showing u the burial sites

There's LITERALLY Ge'ez and other Jewish/Christian remains in Hargeysa region

It says it plenty of time. Read.

"When asked, locals talk about ancient traditions where some people were buried in standing or sitting positions, as well as lying down. Only excavations will yield evidence of this, but some burials are more than 2 m above ground and prompt such thinking, as those near Gidheys. Also, some burials are inside the trunks of big trees—which is not too unlikely, as the belief in sacred trees was widespread, pre-Islamic and also contemporary with Islam (Mire 2015). A grave marked with a stele carrying an Orthodox cross was found in situ at Aw-Barkhadle, which confirms that Christianity was known here during pre-Islamic times or contemporary with Islam. The Somali Tumaal (blacksmiths) tribe, thought to have a Hebrew origin, are said to still visit the Xabaalo tumaalood (blacksmiths’ cemeteries), 30 km from Berbera on the Berbera Road, for ancestral veneration rites. The Somali regions in the north were, in pre-Islamic times, part of the Aksumite empire. Also, gravestones marked with a Star of David are found around Dhubato (27) village in Hargeysa region."

Dhubato in the Hargeysa region and the Saahil area have many ancient Christian burials which are aligned as a cross. Sites such as Suuqsade (Xarago tir), and Dhuxun of Xagal, Gala Caddo (23) near Dhagah Kure, Aroori (Laanta gadaal baxday) (24), and Kal Bare (57) contain ancient Christian burials. There are also finds of Christian codices in Somaliland. These seem to be written in Ethiopian languages, including Ge‘es (language of the Ethiopian Aksumites).

I later travelled towards the south and west, crossing the Ethiopian border. During a month of exploration on my own, I located rock art sites, ruined towns and decorated stelae cemeteries, ancient Christian burials and sites with Himyaritic and Sabaean writing.

(the triangle symbolises the aksumite burials)

@EDsomali there u have it. They ruled over SL and Sjiobuti, even Berbera. I'd love to know ur thoughts on it

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

@Asaana still salty tha tAxum controlled conquered meoe after the complete annihilation of the lnad of Kush?

Salty they made u sapeak their Ge'ez language and converted Bejas to Christianity?

 

[EDsomali]

Why are you being obtuse?

It LITERALLY says that northern Somalia was part of Axum

There's LITERALLY a map showing u the burial sites

There's LITERALLY Ge'ez and other Jewish/Christian remains in Hargeysa region

It says it plenty of time. Read.

"When asked, locals talk about ancient traditions where some people were buried in standing or sitting positions, as well as lying down. Only excavations will yield evidence of this, but some burials are more than 2 m above ground and prompt such thinking, as those near Gidheys. Also, some burials are inside the trunks of big trees—which is not too unlikely, as the belief in sacred trees was widespread, pre-Islamic and also contemporary with Islam (Mire 2015). A grave marked with a stele carrying an Orthodox cross was found in situ at Aw-Barkhadle, which confirms that Christianity was known here during pre-Islamic times or contemporary with Islam. The Somali Tumaal (blacksmiths) tribe, thought to have a Hebrew origin, are said to still visit the Xabaalo tumaalood (blacksmiths’ cemeteries), 30 km from Berbera on the Berbera Road, for ancestral veneration rites. The Somali regions in the north were, in pre-Islamic times, part of the Aksumite empire. Also, gravestones marked with a Star of David are found around Dhubato (27) village in Hargeysa region."

Dhubato in the Hargeysa region and the Saahil area have many ancient Christian burials which are aligned as a cross. Sites such as Suuqsade (Xarago tir), and Dhuxun of Xagal, Gala Caddo (23) near Dhagah Kure, Aroori (Laanta gadaal baxday) (24), and Kal Bare (57) contain ancient Christian burials. There are also finds of Christian codices in Somaliland. These seem to be written in Ethiopian languages, including Ge‘es (language of the Ethiopian Aksumites).

I later travelled towards the south and west, crossing the Ethiopian border. During a month of exploration on my own, I located rock art sites, ruined towns and decorated stelae cemeteries, ancient Christian burials and sites with Himyaritic and Sabaean writing.

(the triangle symbolises the aksumite burials)

@EDsomali there u have it. They ruled over SL and Sjiobuti, even Berbera. I'd love to know ur thoughts on it

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All it says is that there was Christianity present in northern Somalia alongside waaqism.

How are graves supposed to show evidence of Axum control ????

She also says that there are puntite sites even though the land of punt wasnt in Northern Somalia

So go on show me evidence that Axum controlled the northern Somali coast.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

And on top of that kush fought off the persians and defended egypt from them.

Sources or it never happened. Never heard of Kush defeating Perisans in a full out war like the Axumites.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

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All it says is that there was Christianity present in northern Somalia alongside waaqism.

How are graves supposed to show evidence of Axum control ????

She also says that there are puntite sites even though the land of punt wasnt in Northern Somalia

So go on show me evidence that Axum controlled the northern Somali coast.

@SOMALI GENERAL @Timo Madow and proud

you see this nigga?

So the article is lying about Ge'ez monuments in SL? It's lying about the Axumite burial sites (with a whole map too) and the Christian burial sites too?

Axum became Christian before Yemen did so pls tell me where this whole Christian/Jewish influence came from? A magical Yiibir kingdom?

Read what @Grant said

I'm not taking u seriously dude. The info is layed out to u and u say it's not there. Go on the website.

 

[EDsomali]

@SOMALI GENERAL @Timo Madow and proud

you see this nigga?

So the article is lying about Ge'ez monuments in SL? It's lying about the Axumite burial sites (with a whole map too) and the Christian burial sites too?

Axum became Christian before Yemen did so pls tell me where this whole Christian/Jewish influence came from? A magical Yiibir kingdom?

Read what @Grant said

I'm not taking u seriously dude. The info is layed out to u and u say it's not there. Go on the website.

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There are Sabean inscriptions the paper mentions, does that mean that Yemenis controlled the area as well ???

What stupid logic.



Also how could Axum be Christian before Yemenis when it was Yemenis who convertrf them to Christianity .

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

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There are Sabean inscriptions the paper mentions, does that mean that Yemenis controlled the area as well ???

What stupid logic.



Also how could Axum be Christian before Yemenis when it was Yemenis who convertrf them to Christianity .

Axum was the second state in the world to convert to Christianity fully, the first being Georgia. Yemen was a Jewish state when Axum converted to Christianity in the 4th century a.d.

 

[EDsomali]

Axum was the second state in the world to convert to Christianity fully, the first being Georgia. Yemen was a Jewish state when Axum converted to Christianity in the 4th century a.d.

The state maybe but Yemenis were Christian before habesha were.

It was a Yemeni man who converted the king and made the ge'ez alphabet.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

The state maybe but Yemenis were Christian before habesha were.

It was a Yemeni man who converted the king and made the ge'ez alphabet.

It was actually Syrians who converted the king of Axum to Christianity not the Yemenis.