Let's be honest Somali & Cadaan is a beautiful mix

[Kodeen]

Wrong. They don't look Southern Semetic. They have a range of looks from European passing to ambiguous Middle Eastern (but less hairy).


That's one example. Still wasn't widespread, nor was it encouraged. Yes; it was looked down upon in the North (and forbidden for women). You don't have to be particularly old to know this, just aware of pre-1960s history.

Forbidden by who?

 

[guntiino101]

Forbidden by who?

The law

 

[Sophisticate]

Forbidden by who?

Women, obviously.

 

[Kodeen]

The law

Aka Europeans not wanting to mix. We can't take credit for that lol

 

[guntiino101]

Aka Europeans not wanting to mix. We can't take credit for that lol

No the other way around. Somalis made a deal with the brits in Somaliland, that they couldn't marry their women.

 

[Kodeen]

No the other way around. Somalis made a deal with the brits in Somaliland, that they couldn't marry their women.

Source?

 

[Sophisticate]

Aka Europeans not wanting to mix. We can't take credit for that lol

It was two-way. They weren't even allowed to give birth on our lands. Caadi iska dhiig. Its well known.

 

[Kodeen]

It was two-way. They weren't even allowed to give birth on our lands. Caadi iska dhiig. Its well known.

Evidently isn't. It's obvious the Europeans didn't want to, considering they viewed non-Whites as 'lesser'. I suspect this wouldn't have been made law if the Europeans insisted on race mixing... considering that it did in fact happen.

 

[Sophisticate]

Evidently isn't. It's obvious the Europeans didn't want to, considering they viewed non-Whites as 'lesser'. I suspect this wouldn't have been made law if the Europeans insisted on race mixing... considering that it did in fact happen.

We're Muslim for starters (they aren't). We have a superiority complex. They dually made note of it. Most Somalis did not interact with them and were quite appaulled by their lack of pigmentation. Hence terms like sana cadale. Richard Burton could not even access Zelia without pretending to be a Sheikh. And there was a mutual disinterest.

Quit trying to project a false narrative on to us, sxb.

 

[Kodeen]

We're Muslim for starters (they aren't). We have a superiority complex. They dually made note of it. Most Somalis did not interact with them and were quite appaulled by their lack of pigmentation. Hence terms like sana cadale. Richard Burton could not even access Zelia without pretending to be a Sheikh. And there was a mutual disinterest.

Quit trying to project a false narrative on to us, sxb.

What narrative? It's you guys pushing an idealistic view of Somalis as prideful equal opportunist xenophobes. I'm just saying, we're no different from other colonised folks other than the severity and duration. Again, while not to the same extent as some other groups, mixing did in fact happen at one point or another.

I'm inclined to agree with your point on Islam, but I just don't believe it's enough to prevent mixing from happening in the larger picture.

As for the superiority complex, quite frankly, I agree. And when you say we, it's actually a sizable minority of Somalis. Disproportionately high nonetheless.

superiority complex
noun

1. an attitude of superiority which conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure.

 

[Sophisticate]

What narrative? It's you guys pushing an idealistic view of Somalis as prideful equal opportunist xenophobes. I'm just saying, we're no different from other colonised folks other than the severity and duration. Again, while not to the same extent as some other groups, mixing did in fact happen at one point or another.

I'm inclined to agree with your point on Islam, but I just don't believe it's enough to prevent mixing from happening in the larger picture.

As for the superiority complex, quite frankly, I agree. And when you say we, it's actually a sizable minority of Somalis. Disproportionately high nonetheless.

superiority complex
noun

1. an attitude of superiority which conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure.

It did not occur in the North @Factz, among the womenfolk. It is quite uncontested. Let's not pretend that cadaans aren't objectiphiles. You're rating them too highly.

Keep reiterating your point about Somalis being the same as others, when even the colonials you're bootlicking atm, said so themselves. Somalia, the land where every man sees himself as a king. High self-value is a natural disposition that even children have, thankfully that wasn't exorcized from Somalis upon reaching adulthood (thanks to cultural conditioning).

Are you a sana cadale or one of their swirling minions?

 

[Kodeen]

It did not occur in the North @Factz, among the womenfolk. It is quite uncontested. Let's not pretend that cadaans aren't objectiphiles. You're rating them too highly.

Keep reiterating your point about Somalis being the same as others, when even the colonials you're bootlicking atm, said so themselves. Somalia, the land where every man sees himself as a king. High self-value is a natural disposition that even children have, thankfully that wasn't exorcized from Somalis upon reaching adulthood (thanks to cultural conditioning).

Are you a sana cadale or one of their swirling minions?

Lol, I'd gladly be proven wrong on this particular matter. The fact of the matter remains that it WAS acceptable to mix at some point. If Barre never went through with his nationalization policies, effectively removing all Europeans, there would've been a sizable number of mixed Somalis in Somalia tonight.

The only reason I see for Somalis in Somalia to not follow the same path as us in the diaspora is the relevence of qabil which is nullified by prosperity.

P.s educate me on the meaning of sana cadale?

 

[Sophisticate]

Lol, I'd gladly be proven wrong on this particular matter. The fact of the matter remains that it WAS acceptable to mix at some point. If Barre never went through with his nationalization policies, effectively removing all Europeans, there would've been a sizable number of mixed Somalis in Somalia tonight.

The only reason I see for Somalis in Somalia to not follow the same path as us in the diaspora is the relevence of qabil which is nullified by prosperity.

P.s educate me on the meaning of sana cadale?

Exogamy is a phenomenon practiced by a minority of people (globally). Even if it increases, it likely won't change the majority population in each respective nation.

Endogamy - Somalis being insular (predates) Barre and would have been continuous. Especially if Somalis maintained a semblance of uninterrupted statehood after the collapse of the nation.

It had little to do with him nationalizing the country and was always central to the collective consciousness of Somalis, I sincerely doubt those sentiments would change. Particularly in the mother country. You can't compare Somalis back home to those in the diaspora; where they are visible minorities (inculcated with a multitude of foriegn ideas - some adaptive, others which are a disservice to them).

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[Kodeen]

Exogamy is a phenomenon practiced by a minority of people (globally). Even if it increases, it likely won't change the majority population in each respective nation.

Endogamy - Somalis being insular (predates) Barre and would have been continuous. Especially if Somalis maintained a semblance of uninterrupted statehood after the collapse of the nation.

It had little to do with him nationalizing the country and was always central to the collective consciousness of Somalis, I sincerely doubt those sentiments would change. Particularly in the mother country. You can't compare Somalis back home to those in the diaspora; where they are visible minorities (inculcated with a multitude of foriegn ideas - some adaptive, others which are a disservice to them).

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What happened to the 'collective consciousness' in the diaspora? A proportionate rate of people that were among the first generation to leave in mass numbers married out. As expected, of course. Nothing happened to this 'collective consciousness', because it does not and never has existed. Endogamy made sense because of the way the clan system works. Endogamy directly means self-preservation, and likewise asymmetrical exogamy means self-ruin. Needless to say, interbreeding would have exclusively occured between Somali females and European males because for a variety of reasons, Somali men ultimately wouldn't have had access to Italian women. See, that is a BIG problem as a clan. As Somalis? Not so much.

 

[Sophisticate]

What happened to the 'collective consciousness' in the diaspora? A proportionate rate of people that were among the first generation to leave in mass numbers married out. As expected, of course. Nothing happened to this 'collective consciousness', because it does not and never has existed. Endogamy made sense because of the way the clan system works. Endogamy directly means self-preservation, and likewise asymmetrical exogamy means self-ruin. Needless to say, interbreeding would have exclusively occured between Somali females and European males because for a variety of reasons, Somali men ultimately wouldn't have had access to Italian women. See, that is a BIG problem as a clan. As Somalis? Not so much.

A proportionate rate? - More like negligible or small at most. I'm a second generation fyi. And most Somalis raised abroad before age 10 are generation 1.5 -meaning their experiences are starkly different from their gen 1 parents (who aren't bicultural). I certainly haven't seen the phenomenon that often. Rarely among the older generation and not often among the younger groups. Please tell me, if Somalis are so receptive to exogamy, why do they crticize it frequently? Must not be as widespread and accepted as you are purporting. Its not unique to clans but a common attitude. For whatever reason, individuals feel the need to preserve a semblance of their heritage/ethnicity and marry someone with similar lived experience (most of the time). Unless, your people were systematically conditioned by society to hate themselves. I would expect for like to attract like, to be the general rule. Children have a preference for those that look like them.

Perhaps, you suffer from observers bias. Most of those avaliable to Italian soilders were ladies of the night. Let's make that abundantly clear. The average Italian had blocked access to your everday Somali woman. My point is Somali men don't regularly coon for foreign women like other Africans and Ajnabis. Even if they married out some married back in. Out marriage was and still is more unfavourable to women. Somali men could but they regularly did not.

I honestly, think you don't understand Somalis. Perhaps you are an ajnabi or someone woefully misinformed.

 

[Kodeen]

A proportionate rate? - More like negligible. I'm a second generation fyi. And most Somalis raised abroad before age 5 are generation 1.5 -meaning there experiences are starkly different from their gen 1 parents (who aren't bicultural). I certainly haven't seen the phenomenon even ancedotally. Perhaps, you suffer from observers bias. Most of those avaliable to Italian soilders were ladies of the night. Let's make that abundantly clear. The average Italian had blocked access to your everday Somali woman. My point is Somali men don't regularly coon for foreign women like other Africans and Ajnabis. Even if they married out some married back in. Out marriage was and still is more unfavourable to women. Somali men could but they regularly did not.

I honestly, think you don't understand Somalis. Perhaps you are an ajnabi or someone woefully misinformed.

I can literally name ladies in their 50's and 60's that are/were married to cadaan men off the top of my head. Admittedly, the majority got married after 91. They're gen 1 nevertheless.

And to say intermarriage didn't happen in Somalia is just being dishonest. If I recall correctly there were 300k Italians in Muqdisho in the mid 60's. At that point they were already rooted and had families present. There was just no need for them to mix in large numbers. Somalis were relatively opposed, but if an Italian insisted on finding a Somali woman, they would. And they wouldn't be prostitutes either. It's just a mixture of factors that killed any incentive.

I lived and spent years in one of the largest Somali hubs in the West. I assure you, I am Somali lol

P.s. you're not going to like this, but marrying out, especially as men is not cooning

 

[Sophisticate]

I can literally name ladies in their 50's and 60's that are/were married to cadaan men off the top of my head. Admittedly, the majority got married after 91. They're gen 1 nevertheless.

And to say intermarriage didn't happen in Somalia is just being dishonest. If I recall correctly there were 300k Italians in Muqdisho in the mid 60's. At that point they were already rooted and had families present. There was just no need for them to mix in large numbers. Somalis were relatively opposed, but if an Italian insisted on finding a Somali woman, they would. And they wouldn't be prostitutes either. It's just a mixture of factors that killed any incentive.

I lived and spent years in one of the largest Somali hubs in the West. I assure you, I am Somali lol

P.s. you're not going to like this, but marrying out, especially as men is not cooning

I'm a lander today, we shall create a Trump styled wall to keep your lot out. Not my L. Where are my peoples. :siilaanyosmileAmun @Unstable are non-Lander allies against their ilk.

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[Kodeen]

I'm a lander today, we shall create a Trump styled wall to keep your lot out. Not my L. Where are my peoples. :siilaanyosmileAmun @Unstable are non-Lander allies against their ilk.

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I don't really care for qabil, but I'll just say that I'm not reer koonfur. Everyone used to live in Muqdisho back then.

And maybe they did revert and they just weren't good Muslims or perhaps some Somalis were even worse Muslims

God forgive me for my presumptions, but one my father's best friends and the only Somali habar I get along with is married to a White man. To this day, I still don't know whether he's really Muslim or not.
Cool guy, but he has some funny racist moments

Not too long ago I even heard some Somali girl married a sikh... where there's a will, there's a way?

 

[SomaliSteel]

Arab/Somali

Finish/Somali

Somali and white Family

Somali/filipino

Somali/Italian

Somali Italian

Somali/Italian

Somali/English

Somali genes do show up usually in my observation.

 

[NourUgaas]

The early Somali sailors in England and Wales have contributed immensely to the creation of a new phenotype amongst (white) Somalis. They've made history.

I've already been traumatised by seeing names in Wales such as:

Jeremy Pixall Warsame Jaamac
Jonathan Henry Ducaale
Kenneth Faarax
Emily Aw-Cabdi

Forreal, no joke