Lineage is NOT legacy.

[Hodan from HR]

Lately, I'm seeing declining birthrates hysteria everywhere yet the world population continues to grow. Natural resources are finite so why don't we care about the kind of planet we are bringing more children to? Why don't we care about the humans and animals already suffering in this planet?

If people really care about being remembered after their death (which I don't think is important), they should work towards being popular and talented on their own than birthing 10+ children. For example, MJ parents and children will never be famous as he was when he was alive and even now that he is dead

 

[Kisame]

Lately, I'm seeing declining birthrates hysteria everywhere yet the world population continues to grow. Natural resources are finite so why don't we care about the kind of planet we are bringing more children to? Why don't we care about the humans and animals already suffering in this planet?

If people really care about being remembered after their death (which I don't think is important), they should work towards being popular and talented on their own than birthing 10+ children. For example, MJ parents and children will never be famous as he was when he was alive and even now that he is dead

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[olore]

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But they have a high bmi most of them how are they starving

 

[Kisame]

But they have a high bmi most of them how are they starving

They aren't eating enough protein. Also we've had droughts and famines constantly throughout the past 30 years. A lot of these women aren't eating enough

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[Angelina]

1. The new hysteria about the decline in birth rates is due to mostly the economy. Less kids being born, the more people will suffer since we need people to hold up industries.

2. The hysteria is also due to obsessive control many men want to have over women. Despite the fact that very intelligent men in the West are also not fathering as much children, most of the conversations to do with the decline is centered around women and women’s rights to get an education and work. Men who constantly talk about the decline are trying to use this to roll back basic rights we women have. The thing is, there are many factors for the decline. I was reading this paper about parental neuroticism is also causing the decline. For example, a 1950s housewife spent less time with her children then even a modern working woman of today. Women throughout history would birth, take care of infants yes, but kids would have freedom to run around outside with friends for hours once they were around 6. Think about your own parent’s childhood? My parents would be out of the house playing the whole day by the time they were 5 on weekends if they didn’t have school. They would eat breakfast, go dugsi early in then morning and after wards would play the whole day. My grandmother would yell outside the door for them to come back for lunch and then they’ll eat and go out again. Can a modern mother do this without people calling child protection?

 

[Angelina]

1. The growing concern about declining birth rates is largely due to economic factors. Fewer children being born means fewer people to support industries, leading to potential societal struggles. Additionally, some ethnic groups with birth rates below replacement level may eventually disappear, which is a tragic outcome.

2. The panic is also tied to a desire for control over women. While educated, economically stable men in the West are having fewer children, discussions around the decline often focus on women’s rights to education and work. Some men are using this issue to push back women’s rights. However, the decline in birth rates is influenced by many factors, including the rise of ography. In the 90s, when the internet wasn’t as accessible, birth rates were above replacement even as women entered the workforce. Now, with over 90% of men consuming , it’s impacting sexual desire, diminishing men’s motivation to pursue relationships, and contributing to the decline in birth rates.

Google this paper that looks at prn and fertility:

"ography Consumption, Relationships, and Fertility" (Archives of Sexual Behavior): This paper explores how increasing consumption may be influencing relationship dynamics and birth rates.

"ography Consumption and Sexual Desire" (Journal of Sexual Medicine): Research showing a correlation between ography use and sexual dysfunction, including reduced libido and erectile dysfunction.


Another factor is parental neuroticism. Studies show that today’s working mothers often spend more time worrying about their children than 1950s housewives! Unlike in the past, when children had the freedom to play outside for hours, modern parents tend to keep their children indoors due to safety concerns. Reflecting on past generations, many of us remember our parents spending entire days outdoors as children, with minimal supervision. Today, would a mother allow the same without facing criticism or even intervention from child protection services?

This paper explores it:

"The Overprotective Parent: A Historical and Cultural Perspective" (Journal of Family Psychology): This study looks at how parenting styles have evolved, showing a shift toward more protective and involved parenting due to perceived risks.

 

[Bille]

Lately, I'm seeing declining birthrates hysteria everywhere yet the world population continues to grow. Natural resources are finite so why don't we care about the kind of planet we are bringing more children to? Why don't we care about the humans and animals already suffering in this planet?

If people really care about being remembered after their death (which I don't think is important), they should work towards being popular and talented on their own than birthing 10+ children. For example, MJ parents and children will never be famous as he was when he was alive and even now that he is dead

Somalis birth rate is still increasing Alhamdulilah. It's the western gay, lesbian, and pronounce crowd that dropped their share of bringing children into this world.

 

[SixthAbdi]

Dont you get a sub qabil named after you if you have enough children?

 

[Bille]

Dont you get a sub qabil named after you if you have enough children?

No, no, no, no but if you're lucky the local midwife may give you a nice nickname.

 

[The truth seeker]

Liberal retards think if you have less children the planet will become more green we’re Muslims we don’t listen to that nonsense

 

[Lightshow]

Lately, I'm seeing declining birthrates hysteria everywhere yet the world population continues to grow. Natural resources are finite so why don't we care about the kind of planet we are bringing more children to? Why don't we care about the humans and animals already suffering in this planet?

If people really care about being remembered after their death (which I don't think is important), they should work towards being popular and talented on their own than birthing 10+ children. For example, MJ parents and children will never be famous as he was when he was alive and even now that he is dead

Lineage is your legacy in this world and the hereafter.

In this world lineage leaves an imprint of your genetics on the human population, albeit small.

As for the hereafter, the righteous works of children benefit their parents greatly.

It's not about the number of the children either. The quality of the children is more important.

If we have a planet of even 10 billion highly conscious, intelligent, kind and caring people.There would not be a problem.

Issues arise when low quality people increase in number i.e those with bad character traits multiply. For example out of wedlock births and children conceived through lust. These people create the modern world we see, full of materialistic masses that destroy everything.

 

[Hodan from HR]

1. The new hysteria about the decline in birth rates is due to mostly the economy. Less kids being born, the more people will suffer since we need people to hold up industries.

But we already have a surplus of people from other parts of the world who can hold up the industries. Western countries and certain demographics needing to up their populations seem to be from a place of scarcity and egoism

2. The hysteria is also due to obsessive control many men want to have over women. Despite the fact that very intelligent men in the West are also not fathering as much children, most of the conversations to do with the decline is centered around women and women’s rights to get an education and work. Men who constantly talk about the decline are trying to use this to roll back basic rights we women have.

If you look at nature, males of many species sole purpose is to reproduce unlike their female counterparts. That is why women are more picky and don't mind having less children or becoming child free. Also, alot of men are inherently selfish and lack a sense of community. It is rare for them to get involved in philanthropy work for altruistic reasons. They will do it, if the promise is getting women. They even have to be promised 70 hural ayn in heaven for them to be devote believers.

The thing is, there are many factors for the decline. I was reading this paper about parental neuroticism is also causing the decline. For example, a 1950s housewife spent less time with her children then even a modern working woman of today. Women throughout history would birth, take care of infants yes, but kids would have freedom to run around outside with friends for hours once they were around 6. Think about your own parent’s childhood? My parents would be out of the house playing the whole day by the time they were 5 on weekends if they didn’t have school. They would eat breakfast, go dugsi early in then morning and after wards would play the whole day. My grandmother would yell outside the door for them to come back for lunch and then they’ll eat and go out again. Can a modern mother do this without people calling child protection?

True. Also, women had community and other women helping them to raise their children. Due to both women and men being in the workforce and increase in a strict nuclear family design where no extended family living near couples, raising children has become so hard. Men are not naturally nurturing and will always fall short so the woman ends up doing most of the raising and becomes resentful.

 

[Hodan from HR]

Somalis birth rate is still increasing Alhamdulilah. It's the western gay, lesbian, and pronounce crowd that dropped their share of bringing children into this world.

What are the living conditions of these somali children? If we are birthing future gang members, more criminals and lost individuals , should we really be proud?

 

[Hodan from HR]

Dont you get a sub qabil named after you if you have enough children?

If we are all from Adam and Eve(Hawa), does it really matter who started which qabil? Also, how will that benefit any person after they die?

 

[Hodan from HR]

Liberal retards think if you have less children the planet will become more green we’re Muslims we don’t listen to that nonsense

Islam says to be a Muslim is to be a Khalifa of the Earth. Islam says plant a tree even if yaumul qiyama is upon you. To be green is to be Muslim. To care about the wellbeing of Ilahi's creation, trees, animals and fellow humans is to be a mumin. You can disagree with other liberal ideologies but do not deny the teaching of your deen, just to oppose those who do not share similar worldviews. We can align with the good in others and leave what doesn't resonate with our values.

Think critically

 

[Hodan from HR]

Lineage is your legacy in this world and the hereafter.

I disagree.

If your grandchild ends up being a serial killer, will you say that is your legacy? Do you think Ted Bundy's great grandparents are proud to have him as their descendant?

In this world lineage leaves an imprint of your genetics on the human population, albeit small.

Is leaving a genetic imprint really important if we are spiritual beings having human experience in this earth. If the next life is our final abode? This is a bit controversial but most human males have not self actualized imo and are slaves to their lower biological self which is driven by having lots and lots of children and amassing resources, without a care of those who they share the planet with. Again, I am saying MOST not all.

As for the hereafter, the righteous works of children benefit their parents greatly.

This is true. However, there are other way one can get good deeds even after their death. Righteous children is one of them.

It's not about the number of the children either. The quality of the children is more important.

It is difficult, almost impossible to have both quality and quantity in this day and age as quality children need time and resources.

If we have a planet of even 10 billion highly conscious, intelligent, kind and caring people.There would not be a problem.

This is a simplistic way of viewing the world. We are part of the planet not the centre of the planet. Did you know that if all humans were to go extinct, the planet will flourish and all other creations will be just fine but if ants went extinct, it will be a matter of time before human populations collapsed. I'd argue if you really care about having 10 billion intelligent, kind and caring people, we should make sure we first have 10 trillion of ants, 99 trillion of trees etc..

 

[Lightshow]

I disagree.

If your grandchild ends up being a serial killer, will you say that is your legacy? Do you think Ted Bundy's great grandparents are proud to have him as their descendant?

Legacy does not mean only good.

Is leaving a genetic imprint really important if we are spiritual beings having human experience in this earth. If the next life is our final abode? This is a bit controversial but most human males have not self actualized imo and are slaves to their lower biological self which is driven by having lots and lots of children and amassing resources, without a care of those who they share the planet with. Again, I am saying MOST not all.

I would say both genders ultimately have very similar if not the same biological and societal aspirations. Namely they want wealth, and legacy.

Yes this comes from lower sensual desires or our animal instinct.

This is true. However, there are other way one can get good deeds even after their death. Righteous children is one of them.

True God deeds can come from other means like beneficial institutions of knowledge and sadaqah Jariyah.

It is difficult, almost impossible to have both quality and quantity in this day and age as quality children need time and resources.

Might be difficult but not impossible. The consciousness of the people that form society is ultimately the driving factor.

Look at how China took hundreds of millions out of poverty and built a futuristic, clean and well organized society. They might not have done it in the ideal way, but nevertheless.

This is a simplistic way of viewing the world. We are part of the planet not the centre of the planet. Did you know that if all humans were to go extinct, the planet will flourish and all other creations will be just fine but if ants went extinct, it will be a matter of time before human populations collapsed. I'd argue if you really care about having 10 billion intelligent, kind and caring people, we should make sure we first have 10 trillion of ants, 99 trillion of trees etc..

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That is a western secular way of looking at things. When in their higher benevolent consciousness, human beings are the vicegerent of God.

 

[Abdisamad]

Abaayo @Hodan from HR quit this liberal mumbo-jumbo, you are somali and need to bring atleast 4 kids to this world.. Don't let me send the eedos and habarayo after you to reaffirm your dhaqan

 

[Aseer]

Dont you get a sub qabil named after you if you have enough children?

Thats the goal bro.

 

[Hodan from HR]

Abaayo @Hodan from HR quit this liberal mumbo-jumbo, you are somali and need to bring atleast 4 kids to this world.. Don't let me send the eedos and habarayo after you to reaffirm your dhaqan

Abdisamad, I see what you are doing. I never said people should not have kids nor am I liberal. I'm a truth seeker and a supporter of life, and the truth is human population is the highest it has ever been. So why are some users here regurgitating misinformation and spreading fear as if we are going extinct? When I joined somalispot, the users were grounded in reality despite their political leanings and religious beliefs. These days no one is committed to honest discussions, we just wanna argue to win.

It is unfortunate..