Lineage is NOT legacy.

[Hodan from HR]

Legacy does not mean only good.

When people talk about leaving a legacy behind, they mean leaving behind something that will contribute positively to the planet and/or benefit the creation.

I would say both genders ultimately have very similar if not the same biological and societal aspirations. Namely they want wealth, and legacy.

Yes this comes from lower sensual desires or our animal instinct.

Man and woman are not the same biologically. One man can have over 1000 children. The same can not be said of a woman, at least we haven't seen such a thing happen in human history yet. It also seems one sex is dominant in this declining birthrates fearmongering narratives. It is absurd to the point some men even believe they are fulfilling their "purpose" by aspiring to impregnate as many women as they can in their lifetime, no mention on how they plan to be involved in their children's lives. All I am saying is, if any male here believes this lie, there's no need to have alot of children in this day and age to leave a legacy behind. There are many ways one can leave a positive mark and having children is not a guarantee of "good" legacy.

True God deeds can come from other means like beneficial institutions of knowledge and sadaqah Jariyah.


Might be difficult but not impossible. The consciousness of the people that form society is ultimately the driving factor.

Look at how China took hundreds of millions out of poverty and built a futuristic, clean and well organized society. They might not have done it in the ideal way, but nevertheless.

We have different ideas of what constitutes a successful society.

China's creation of an artificial world is hardly a success. We see the effects of overpopulation and competition when teenagers and young adults are jumping from highrise buildings. Yes, they tried finding "solutions" and now it looks all prim and proper on the outisde but what is the mental, spiritual and physical state of these people?

That is a western secular way of looking at things. When in their higher benevolent consciousness, human beings are the vicegerent of God.

For a higher benevolent conscious beings, we sure behave worse than animals. You will never see lions wipe out a whole population of antelopes for profit. They will kill when they are hungry, taking only what they need.


Advocating for a responsible way to live harmoniously with fellow humans and non-human beings was dominant in eastern teachings before it got adopted by the western scientific world. If you are familiar with the concept of tragedy of the commons, China's environmental pollution can cause beach critters in Somalia to lose their habitats. Why? Because we are all interconnected and share one planet.

 

[SixthAbdi]

This is a simplistic way of viewing the world. We are part of the planet not the centre of the planet. Did you know that if all humans were to go extinct, the planet will flourish and all other creations will be just fine but if ants went extinct, it will be a matter of time before human populations collapsed. I'd argue if you really care about having 10 billion intelligent, kind and caring people, we should make sure we first have 10 trillion of ants, 99 trillion of trees etc..

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Animals are fundamentally inferior to humans. Animals have limited souls that are not immortal, Allah states that they will be turned to dust on the day of judgement.

It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – in a hadeeth that has many corroborating reports and isnaads – that he said: “Allaah will judge between His creation, jinn, men and animals. On that Day, Allaah will let the hornless animal settle its score with the horned until, when there is nothing left to be settled, Allaah will say to them, ‘Be dust.’ At that point the kaafir will say, ‘Would that I were dust.’”

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilat al-Saheehah, no. 1966)

Human souls are rational and immortal. All abrahamic belief stems from the notion that the world was created as a test for humans and humans alone.
Even from a secular lens the globe is meant to be hierarchial and center around the most dominant group. Many mammal species today would not exist if the dinosaurs were still alive.

 

[Hodan from HR]

Animals are fundamentally inferior to humans. Animals have limited souls that are not immortal, Allah states that they will be turned to dust on the day of judgement.

It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – in a hadeeth that has many corroborating reports and isnaads – that he said: “Allaah will judge between His creation, jinn, men and animals. On that Day, Allaah will let the hornless animal settle its score with the horned until, when there is nothing left to be settled, Allaah will say to them, ‘Be dust.’ At that point the kaafir will say, ‘Would that I were dust.’”

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilat al-Saheehah, no. 1966)

Human souls are rational and immortal. All abrahamic belief stems from the notion that the world was created as a test for humans and humans alone.
Even from a secular lens the globe is meant to be hierarchial and center around the most dominant group. Many mammal species today would not exist if the dinosaurs were still alive.

Your interpretation and argument proves biases humans project on religious texts. I won't deny I might be biased as well and also provide religious text, The Quran, which is superior to hadith to support my arguments..

And we have made you a khalifa (steward) in the earth; . ' (38:27).

Definition of Steward : manage or look after (another's property)


Why did Allah teach Adam the names of the animals that even angels weren't taught? Because humans are referred in the Quran as stewards of earth. Will you say we are doing a good job as a creation looking after God's other creatures?

 

[Abdisamad]

Abdisamad, I see what you are doing. I never said people should not have kids nor am I liberal. I'm a truth seeker and a supporter of life, and the truth is human population is the highest it has ever been. So why are some users here regurgitating misinformation and spreading fear as if we are going extinct? When I joined somalispot, the users were grounded in reality despite their political leanings and religious beliefs. These days no one is committed to honest discussions, we just wanna argue to win.

It is unfortunate..

It was all banters..

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[Lightshow]

When people talk about leaving a legacy behind, they mean leaving behind something that will contribute positively to the planet and/or benefit the creation.

Yes that is what they mean, but reality is that both good and bad are remembered, more so the bad even.

Man and woman are not the same biologically. One man can have over 1000 children. The same can not be said of a woman, at least we haven't seen such a thing happen in human history yet. It also seems one sex is dominant in this declining birthrates fearmongering narratives. It is absurd to the point some men even believe they are fulfilling their "purpose" by aspiring to impregnate as many women as they can in their lifetime, no mention on how they plan to be involved in their children's lives. All I am saying is, if any male here believes this lie, there's no need to have alot of children in this day and age to leave a legacy behind. There are many ways one can leave a positive mark and having children is not a guarantee of "good" legacy.

Yet more women have passed on their genetics than men throughout human history.

We have different ideas of what constitutes a successful society.

China's creation of an artificial world is hardly a success. We see the effects of overpopulation and competition when teenagers and young adults are jumping from highrise buildings. Yes, they tried finding "solutions" and now it looks all prim and proper on the outisde but what is the mental, spiritual and physical state of these people?

China is by no means perfect, but in terms of the modern age they are far ahead of the west on many metrics.

For a higher benevolent conscious beings, we sure behave worse than animals. You will never see lions wipe out a whole population of antelopes for profit. They will kill when they are hungry, taking only what they need.

Animals can only follow their natural instinct and inclinations. They are not able to plan and execute complex tasks like humans. But that does not make us inherently evil or bad.

What we need is more love, less greed and adherence to spiritual principles set by the Creator.

Advocating for a responsible way to live harmoniously with fellow humans and non-human beings was dominant in eastern teachings before it got adopted by the western scientific world. If you are familiar with the concept of tragedy of the commons, China's environmental pollution can cause beach critters in Somalia to lose their habitats. Why? Because we are all interconnected and share one planet.

Everything is interconnected indeed. Maybe we can embody these principles again as a collective ecosystem. Until then the spiritual children will have to satisfy their lower urges.

No I am not aware of the tragedy of the commons what is it?

 

[Hodan from HR]

It was all banters..

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You are such a menace Abdisamad! Trying to give poor Hodan a heart attack, eh?!

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[Hodan from HR]

@Lightshow

I feel like we are going round and round and missing the topic at hand due to whatabouttism. Do you agree or disagree humans population is booming and we are in no threat to go extinct anytime soon?


This video explains tragedy of the commons on a smaller scale but it can be extrapolated to the whole planet. One country's emissions affects every living creature on earth, sooner or later. Have you ever wonder why Somalia is experiencing both droughts and floods when our country or even the whole of Africa, is not on the top 3 countries that are responsible for high GHG gas emissions? Do you think it is fair for poor nations to bear the negative effects of climate change while the countries responsible for it, are not affected as much?

We will always pay for others greed, because we share one planet and unfortunately, developing countries will be affected the most, even if one says they don't care about the wellbeing of other living beings on this earth..

 

[Abdisamad]

You are such a menace Abdisamad! Trying to give poor Hodan a heart attack, eh?!

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Lool..

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[haternomics]

Lately, I'm seeing declining birthrates hysteria everywhere yet the world population continues to grow. Natural resources are finite so why don't we care about the kind of planet we are bringing more children to? Why don't we care about the humans and animals already suffering in this planet?

If people really care about being remembered after their death (which I don't think is important), they should work towards being popular and talented on their own than birthing 10+ children. For example, MJ parents and children will never be famous as he was when he was alive and even now that he is dead

Overpopulation is a myth, plain and simple.
An interesting watch to those interested:

 

[Hodan from HR]

Overpopulation is a myth, plain and simple.
An interesting watch to those interested:

Human population is the highest it has ever been in our history. Whether you believe overpopulation is a myth or not, you can not deny this fact.

My thread is meant to debunk this myth that birthrates are declining. Yes, they are declining in some parts of the world but humans will not go extinct anytime soon. I am addressing those who think they need to "replace" our declining population, as they are misinformed.

At the end of the day, xor baa nahay, all of us. But let's just be honest and not hide behind excuses such as "leaving behind a legacy" and "declining birthrates".

 

[haternomics]

highest≠overpopulated, and we are not even close to the max capacity on earth yet. if anything, you should be afraid of a population decline as the data trends that way in every developed country.

 

[Hodan from HR]

highest≠overpopulated, and we are not even close to the max capacity on earth yet. if anything, you should be afraid of a population decline as the data trends that way in every developed country.