Location of Punt

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Old article, but:cosbyhmm:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...opia-as-location-of-land-of-punt-1954547.html

Analysis of mummified baboons in the British Museum has revealed the location of the land of Punt as the area between Ethiopia and Eritrea. To the Egyptians, Punt was a place of fragrances, giraffes, electrum and other exotic goods, and was sometimes referred to as Ta-netjer, or 'God’s land'.

There are several ancient Egyptian texts that record trade voyages to the Land of Punt, dating up until the end of the New Kingdom, 3,000 years ago. But until now scholars did not know where Punt was. Ancient texts offer only vague allusions to its location and no 'Puntite' civilization has been discovered. Somalia, Ethiopia, Yemen and even Mozambique have all been offered as possible locations.

However, it appears that the search for Punt may have come to an end according to new research which claims to prove that it was located in Eritrea/East Ethiopia. Live baboons were among the goods that we know the Egyptians got from Punt. The research team included Professor Salima Ikram from the Egyptian Museum, Cairo, and Professor Nathaniel Dominy and graduate student Gillian Leigh Moritz, both from the University of California, Santa Cruz.


The team studied two baboon mummies in the British Museum. By analysing hairs from these baboons using oxygen isotope analysis, they were able to work out where they originated. Oxygen isotopes act as a 'signal' that can let scientists know where they came from. Depending on the environment an animal lived in, the ratio of different isotopes of oxygen will be different. “Oxygen tends to vary as a function of rainfall and the water composition of plants and seed,” said Professor Nathaniel Dominy of UC Santa Cruz.

Only one of the two baboons was suitable for the research – the other had spent time in Thebes as an exotic pet, and so its isotopic data had been distorted. Working on the baboon discovered in the Valley of the Kings, the researchers compared the oxygen isotope values in the ancient baboons to those found in their modern day brethren. Although isotope values in baboons in Somalia, Yemen and Mozambique did not match, those in Eritrea and Eastern Ethiopia were closely matched.

“All of our specimens in Eritrea and a certain number of our specimens from Ethiopia – that are basically due west from Eritrea – those are good matches,” said Professor Dominy.

The team were unable to compare the mummies with baboons in Yemen. However, Professor Dominy reasoned that “We can tell, based on the isotopic maps of the region, that a baboon from Yemen would look an awful lot like a baboon from Somalia isotopically.” As Somalia is definitely not the place of origin for the baboon, this suggests that Yemen is not the place of origin either.

He concluded that “We think Punt is a sort of circumscribed region that includes eastern Ethiopia and all of Eritrea.”


The team also think that they may have discovered the location of the harbour that the Egyptians would have used to export the baboons and other goods back to Egypt. Dominy points to an area just outside the modern city of Massawa: “We have a specimen from that same harbour and that specimen is a very good match to the mummy.”

Next, the team hopes to get the British Museum’s permission to take a pea-sized sample of bone from the baboon mummy and use it strontium isotope testing. This would hopefully confirm Eritrea/Eastern Ethiopia as the baboon’s origin and narrow down its location more specifically.
 
Old article, but:cosbyhmm:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...opia-as-location-of-land-of-punt-1954547.html

Analysis of mummified baboons in the British Museum has revealed the location of the land of Punt as the area between Ethiopia and Eritrea. To the Egyptians, Punt was a place of fragrances, giraffes, electrum and other exotic goods, and was sometimes referred to as Ta-netjer, or 'God’s land'.

There are several ancient Egyptian texts that record trade voyages to the Land of Punt, dating up until the end of the New Kingdom, 3,000 years ago. But until now scholars did not know where Punt was. Ancient texts offer only vague allusions to its location and no 'Puntite' civilization has been discovered. Somalia, Ethiopia, Yemen and even Mozambique have all been offered as possible locations.

However, it appears that the search for Punt may have come to an end according to new research which claims to prove that it was located in Eritrea/East Ethiopia. Live baboons were among the goods that we know the Egyptians got from Punt. The research team included Professor Salima Ikram from the Egyptian Museum, Cairo, and Professor Nathaniel Dominy and graduate student Gillian Leigh Moritz, both from the University of California, Santa Cruz.


The team studied two baboon mummies in the British Museum. By analysing hairs from these baboons using oxygen isotope analysis, they were able to work out where they originated. Oxygen isotopes act as a 'signal' that can let scientists know where they came from. Depending on the environment an animal lived in, the ratio of different isotopes of oxygen will be different. “Oxygen tends to vary as a function of rainfall and the water composition of plants and seed,” said Professor Nathaniel Dominy of UC Santa Cruz.

Only one of the two baboons was suitable for the research – the other had spent time in Thebes as an exotic pet, and so its isotopic data had been distorted. Working on the baboon discovered in the Valley of the Kings, the researchers compared the oxygen isotope values in the ancient baboons to those found in their modern day brethren. Although isotope values in baboons in Somalia, Yemen and Mozambique did not match, those in Eritrea and Eastern Ethiopia were closely matched.

“All of our specimens in Eritrea and a certain number of our specimens from Ethiopia – that are basically due west from Eritrea – those are good matches,” said Professor Dominy.

The team were unable to compare the mummies with baboons in Yemen. However, Professor Dominy reasoned that “We can tell, based on the isotopic maps of the region, that a baboon from Yemen would look an awful lot like a baboon from Somalia isotopically.” As Somalia is definitely not the place of origin for the baboon, this suggests that Yemen is not the place of origin either.

He concluded that “We think Punt is a sort of circumscribed region that includes eastern Ethiopia and all of Eritrea.”


The team also think that they may have discovered the location of the harbour that the Egyptians would have used to export the baboons and other goods back to Egypt. Dominy points to an area just outside the modern city of Massawa: “We have a specimen from that same harbour and that specimen is a very good match to the mummy.”

Next, the team hopes to get the British Museum’s permission to take a pea-sized sample of bone from the baboon mummy and use it strontium isotope testing. This would hopefully confirm Eritrea/Eastern Ethiopia as the baboon’s origin and narrow down its location more specifically.
So what you iz sayin is that WE WUSNT KANGS N SHIEET?
 

TooMacaan

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Is it possible that it expanded beyond 'all of Eritrea and Eastern Ethiopia' into Somali regions? Exactly how accurate is the use of baboons to determine the location of Punt?
 
Is it possible that it expanded beyond 'all of Eritrea and Eastern Ethiopia' into Somali regions? Exactly how accurate is the use of baboons to determine the location of Punt?
I dont know they tested baboons in each of the countries, it probably has a backstory to it or they are similar baboons from before or the egyptian ones
I am not very sure
Just found it online when reading

It probably included somaliland as well
 
Old article, but:cosbyhmm:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...opia-as-location-of-land-of-punt-1954547.html

Analysis of mummified baboons in the British Museum has revealed the location of the land of Punt as the area between Ethiopia and Eritrea. To the Egyptians, Punt was a place of fragrances, giraffes, electrum and other exotic goods, and was sometimes referred to as Ta-netjer, or 'God’s land'.

There are several ancient Egyptian texts that record trade voyages to the Land of Punt, dating up until the end of the New Kingdom, 3,000 years ago. But until now scholars did not know where Punt was. Ancient texts offer only vague allusions to its location and no 'Puntite' civilization has been discovered. Somalia, Ethiopia, Yemen and even Mozambique have all been offered as possible locations.

However, it appears that the search for Punt may have come to an end according to new research which claims to prove that it was located in Eritrea/East Ethiopia. Live baboons were among the goods that we know the Egyptians got from Punt. The research team included Professor Salima Ikram from the Egyptian Museum, Cairo, and Professor Nathaniel Dominy and graduate student Gillian Leigh Moritz, both from the University of California, Santa Cruz.


The team studied two baboon mummies in the British Museum. By analysing hairs from these baboons using oxygen isotope analysis, they were able to work out where they originated. Oxygen isotopes act as a 'signal' that can let scientists know where they came from. Depending on the environment an animal lived in, the ratio of different isotopes of oxygen will be different. “Oxygen tends to vary as a function of rainfall and the water composition of plants and seed,” said Professor Nathaniel Dominy of UC Santa Cruz.

Only one of the two baboons was suitable for the research – the other had spent time in Thebes as an exotic pet, and so its isotopic data had been distorted. Working on the baboon discovered in the Valley of the Kings, the researchers compared the oxygen isotope values in the ancient baboons to those found in their modern day brethren. Although isotope values in baboons in Somalia, Yemen and Mozambique did not match, those in Eritrea and Eastern Ethiopia were closely matched.

“All of our specimens in Eritrea and a certain number of our specimens from Ethiopia – that are basically due west from Eritrea – those are good matches,” said Professor Dominy.

The team were unable to compare the mummies with baboons in Yemen. However, Professor Dominy reasoned that “We can tell, based on the isotopic maps of the region, that a baboon from Yemen would look an awful lot like a baboon from Somalia isotopically.” As Somalia is definitely not the place of origin for the baboon, this suggests that Yemen is not the place of origin either.

He concluded that “We think Punt is a sort of circumscribed region that includes eastern Ethiopia and all of Eritrea.”


The team also think that they may have discovered the location of the harbour that the Egyptians would have used to export the baboons and other goods back to Egypt. Dominy points to an area just outside the modern city of Massawa: “We have a specimen from that same harbour and that specimen is a very good match to the mummy.”

Next, the team hopes to get the British Museum’s permission to take a pea-sized sample of bone from the baboon mummy and use it strontium isotope testing. This would hopefully confirm Eritrea/Eastern Ethiopia as the baboon’s origin and narrow down its location more specifically.




The wild life animals migrated from Somalia because of drought and famine. And land of punt is proved to be current Djibouti/north Somalia. I can bring you Egyptian scholars saying that.
 
The wild life animals migrated from Somalia because of drought and famine. And land of punt is proved to be current Djibouti/north Somalia. I can bring you Egyptian scholars saying that.

They analaysed the Hamadryas Baboon. The baboon lives in all 4 countries and every one of them have a sizeable population. To say the baboons in Eritrea are all from Somalia is a lie. Baboons do not migrate like this and each country have their own respective populations.
Plz go back to history section about land of punt and you will know the current location and don't listen to this Ethiopian man here.
Don't derail my thread thank you. Either provide science or stop insulting me, I am just posting what I read.
 
You sure this is accurate, The article was made in 2010.

In Hatshepsut’s temple, an expedition shows Punt Land located in present day Somalia. The ancient Somali name for their region was "Bunn", a name referenced in texts related to trade with the pharaohs as "Pwenet" or "Pwene", and the region is known as "Bunni" today. The culture of Punt Land bears several resemblances to that of the ancient Egyptians, such as language, ceremonial dress, and the arts.

dhaanto.jpg


Left: Somali youth dancing the “dhaanto.” ( Somali Egyptian-Puntite History ) Right: Ancient Egyptians with similar white clothing in a fresco from the Tomb of Pashedu at Deir el-Medina. (kairoinfo4u/ CC BY NC SA 2.0 ) Pashedu was a "Servant in the Place of Truth on the West of Thebes" and probably began working while Seti I was pharaoh.

Regarding language, a comparison of ancient Egyptian to Somali vocabulary shows remarkable similarities:

  • Ancient Egyptian, “Hes” = song, sing with musical instrument/ in Somali, “Hes” = song, sing with musical instrument.
  • “AAR” means “lion” in both languages.
  • Ancient Egyptian, “Ra” = the Sun God/ in Somali “Qor Rah” means the neck of Rah.
  • Ancient Egyptian, Haa – Hey = glad, to be glad/ in Somali, Haa – Hey = glad.
  • Ancient Egyptian, “Hun”, Hunnu” = young man, young girl/ in Somali “Hun”, “Hunno” = young man, young girl.
  • Ancient Egyptian/ in Somali Awoow = grandfather, old man.
Egyptian-dancers.jpg

Left: Ancient Egyptian dancers and flutist. ( Public Domain ) Right: Young Somali women and men performing the traditional dhaanto dance-song in Jubaland. (aflaanta std/ CC BY 3.0 )

Punt Land’s Location Found
Based on the evidence of the ancient pharaoh’s inscriptions, Punt/Punt Land is certainly the State of Somalia at the Horn of Africa. The ancient city of Opone in Somalia is identical to the city of Pouen referenced as part of Punt by ancient inscriptions.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/anci...ncient-lost-kingdom-punt-finally-found-006893
 
This article is out of date. A second study expanded the area to EASTERN Somalia, which does not really change the result. Earlier expeditions traveled to Punt by land, indicating a location closer to Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Punt

"In 201https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Punt0, a genetic study was conducted on the mummified remains of baboons that were brought back from Punt by the ancient Egyptians. Led by a research team from the Egyptian Museum and the University of California, Santa Cruz, the scientists used oxygen isotope analysis to examine hairs from two baboon mummies that had been preserved in the British Museum. One of the baboons had distorted isotopic data, so the other's oxygen isotope values were compared to those of modern-day baboon specimens from regions of interest. The researchers at first found that the mummies most closely matched modern specimens seen in Eritrea and Ethiopia as opposed to those in neighboring Somalia, with the Ethiopian specimens "basically due west from Eritrea". The team did not have the opportunity to compare the mummies with baboons in Yemen. The scientists believed that such an analysis would yield similar results since, according to them, regional isotopic maps suggest that baboons in Yemen would closely resemble those in Somalia. Professor Dominy, one of the lead researchers, concluded from this that "we think Punt is a sort of circumscribed region that includes eastern Ethiopia and all of Eritrea."[29] In 2015, the scientists conducted a follow-up study to confirm their initial findings, and concluded that "our results reveal a high likelihood match with eastern Somalia and the Eritrea-Ethiopia corridor, suggesting that this region was the source of Papio hamadryas exported to Ancient Egypt."[30]"

http://www.ancientsudan.org/history_17_punt.html

Going on:

"Moreover, recent research provided more specific indications on the geographical location of Punt. Closer examination of the fifteenth century BC Egyptian expedition suggests that Punt fell in the coastal region, between the present Sudanese towns of Tokar and Port-Sudan. The inland extension of Punt appears to have been in central Sudan. The products brought from Punt —such as myrrh-trees, elephant tusks, and live animals like giraffes and leopards—are found in the tropical region of central and southern Sudan.

Egyptian relief of the queen of Punt.
01_history_puntqueen.jpg

The animals and products of Punt, encompassing elephants and giraffes, were probably brought from the flat savannah environment of South Sudan. There is no evidence that the land of Punt has included regions in what is today the country of Ethiopia. The rugged topography of the Ethiopian plateau could not have supported the type of savannah animals associated with Punt.

Throughout history, eastern Sudan has been a major region for mining and quarrying activities. Because of that, the Egyptians and the Kushites have taken interest in "the mining-region of Punt".2

Sources indicate that the Egyptians did not necessarily travel to Punt to import products. For example, it is written in the inscriptions of Pepi-Nakht that the Sixth Dynasty Egyptian king Pepi has led a full military expedition to rescue a nobleman taken captive from Nubia to Punt.3

The area of Kassala, in the central part of eastern Sudan, has recently been identified as an important archeological site for the so called Gash culture—2300-1700 BC.4 The archeology of the area suggests that Kassala was "an important commercial partner of the early Kerma state (ca. 2500-1500 B.C.)" and "inland gateway to the Land of Punt".5"
 
This article is out of date. A second study expanded the area to EASTERN Somalia, which does not really change the result. Earlier expeditions traveled to Punt by land, indicating a location closer to Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Punt

"In 201https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Punt0, a genetic study was conducted on the mummified remains of baboons that were brought back from Punt by the ancient Egyptians. Led by a research team from the Egyptian Museum and the University of California, Santa Cruz, the scientists used oxygen isotope analysis to examine hairs from two baboon mummies that had been preserved in the British Museum. One of the baboons had distorted isotopic data, so the other's oxygen isotope values were compared to those of modern-day baboon specimens from regions of interest. The researchers at first found that the mummies most closely matched modern specimens seen in Eritrea and Ethiopia as opposed to those in neighboring Somalia, with the Ethiopian specimens "basically due west from Eritrea". The team did not have the opportunity to compare the mummies with baboons in Yemen. The scientists believed that such an analysis would yield similar results since, according to them, regional isotopic maps suggest that baboons in Yemen would closely resemble those in Somalia. Professor Dominy, one of the lead researchers, concluded from this that "we think Punt is a sort of circumscribed region that includes eastern Ethiopia and all of Eritrea."[29] In 2015, the scientists conducted a follow-up study to confirm their initial findings, and concluded that "our results reveal a high likelihood match with eastern Somalia and the Eritrea-Ethiopia corridor, suggesting that this region was the source of Papio hamadryas exported to Ancient Egypt."[30]"

http://www.ancientsudan.org/history_17_punt.html

Going on:

"Moreover, recent research provided more specific indications on the geographical location of Punt. Closer examination of the fifteenth century BC Egyptian expedition suggests that Punt fell in the coastal region, between the present Sudanese towns of Tokar and Port-Sudan. The inland extension of Punt appears to have been in central Sudan. The products brought from Punt —such as myrrh-trees, elephant tusks, and live animals like giraffes and leopards—are found in the tropical region of central and southern Sudan.

Egyptian relief of the queen of Punt.
01_history_puntqueen.jpg

The animals and products of Punt, encompassing elephants and giraffes, were probably brought from the flat savannah environment of South Sudan. There is no evidence that the land of Punt has included regions in what is today the country of Ethiopia. The rugged topography of the Ethiopian plateau could not have supported the type of savannah animals associated with Punt.

Throughout history, eastern Sudan has been a major region for mining and quarrying activities. Because of that, the Egyptians and the Kushites have taken interest in "the mining-region of Punt".2

Sources indicate that the Egyptians did not necessarily travel to Punt to import products. For example, it is written in the inscriptions of Pepi-Nakht that the Sixth Dynasty Egyptian king Pepi has led a full military expedition to rescue a nobleman taken captive from Nubia to Punt.3

The area of Kassala, in the central part of eastern Sudan, has recently been identified as an important archeological site for the so called Gash culture—2300-1700 BC.4 The archeology of the area suggests that Kassala was "an important commercial partner of the early Kerma state (ca. 2500-1500 B.C.)" and "inland gateway to the Land of Punt".5"
Basically the same thing. They will eventually do more studies it is interesting.
 

DeathWish

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They analaysed the Hamadryas Baboon. The baboon lives in all 4 countries and every one of them have a sizeable population. To say the baboons in Eritrea are all from Somalia is a lie. Baboons do not migrate like this and each country have their own respective populations.

Don't derail my thread thank you. Either provide science or stop insulting me, I am just posting what I read.
The study that you are using is an old study. There was a new test done in 2015 and they said that the baboon was also in Somalia.

http://meeting.physanth.org/program...ons-clarify-ancient-red-sea-trade-routes.html

An ancient Roman scholar even said that Northern Somalia and Djibouti were the center of trade for myrhh and spices in the times of the pharoah.

"The site is believed to correspond with the ancient commercial Port of Isis described by the Roman scholar Pliny the Elder. Pliny also associated the area with the toponym Abalito, which Said M-Shidad Hussein writes is likely the Avalite of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea. According to Pliny, the Port of Isis was a center for myrrh commerce. He likewise noted that the Egyptian Pharaoh Sesostris led his forces passed the region en route to the northeastern port of Mosylon, a cinnamon hub that is believed to have been in or close to present-day Bosaso."

Österreichische Leo-Gesellschaft, Görres-Gesellschaft, Anthropos Institute (1941). Anthropos, Volumes 35-36. Zaunrith'sche Buch-, Kunst- und Steindruckerei. p. 212. Retrieved 22 September 2014.

By the way, you Habeshas would still be in Yemen in the time of Punt. There is no point in trying to claim it.
 
Basically the same? One concludes Punt was in Somalia and the other that it was in Sudan, between the cities of Tokar and Port Sudan. (!!!!!)
I am on about the updated one you published. They included the 3 countries.
The one on Sudan is questionable.

You said yourself it does not change the result.
 
The study that you are using is an old study. There was a new test done in 2015 and they said that the baboon was also in Somalia.

http://meeting.physanth.org/program...ons-clarify-ancient-red-sea-trade-routes.html

An ancient Roman scholar even said that Northern Somalia and Djibouti were the center of trade for myrhh and spices in the times of the pharoah.

"The site is believed to correspond with the ancient commercial Port of Isis described by the Roman scholar Pliny the Elder. Pliny also associated the area with the toponym Abalito, which Said M-Shidad Hussein writes is likely the Avalite of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea. According to Pliny, the Port of Isis was a center for myrrh commerce. He likewise noted that the Egyptian Pharaoh Sesostris led his forces passed the region en route to the northeastern port of Mosylon, a cinnamon hub that is believed to have been in or close to present-day Bosaso."

Österreichische Leo-Gesellschaft, Görres-Gesellschaft, Anthropos Institute (1941). Anthropos, Volumes 35-36. Zaunrith'sche Buch-, Kunst- und Steindruckerei. p. 212. Retrieved 22 September 2014.

By the way, you Habeshas would still be in Yemen in the time of Punt. There is no point in trying to claim it.
I did not see the updated study so I should have checked further.
 
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