Mohammed Siyad Barre appreciation thread

[Bahal]

Even after Afweyne was expelled from Mogadishu, he did not accept defeat, he lauched a massive offensive to recapture the capital. Are you just going to ignore that?


Caydiid(aun) did not call for revenge attacks against other clans: "xumaan haday sameeyaan wanaag ugu badala" is what he ordered his troops.


It was Morgan and Afweyne troops who were recorded threatening to destroy Buulo Mareer, Jilib, Baraawe.

Here is Morgan encouraging his troops to rape innocent Barwani women.

Are you trying to re-write history?

The counterattack was defeated and driven back. Siad Barre fled Somalia, along with almost a million daroods. if anything, it was a greater victory than the original ouster, a decisive victory that effectively ended any chance of a Darood return and guaranteed USC's supremacy.

What happened then?



The Barawanis and Reer Xamar were wiped out by Morgan?



Word?

 

[Tenacious]

What is your obsession with Hawiye?
An Oromo is more welcome to your fellow Darood in Puntland than you, heck they don't even see you as a human, but a commodity that can be sold to the highest bidder.
Afweyne is the man who signed away your territory to Mengistu, not Hawiye.

Also unless you forgot, your Ogadeen clan provided the USC with intelligence, logistics and contributing in breaking the back of the regime; so what legitimacy do you have in faulting the Hawiye?
Here are your uncles praising USC.


What motivations did you have in turning against your fellow Darood if the war was strictly clan-based?


See, your entire act is laughable.



Don't believe propaganda. Kacaan loyalists will try to convince you Lidwien Kapteijns' political fiction book is the bible and Afweyne is an angel.

It is a well-known fact Afweyne's defeated army unleashed a scorched earth policy against innocent Maay communities, not USC.

USC welcomed innocent rahanweyn, fleeing from the brutality of Afweyne and Morgan, with open hands, food and water.
SDM (Rahanweyn faction) was heavily armed and supported by USC.

@Bahal

Afweyne was asked multiple times by different factions, even before they took up arms, to step down peacefully.

Here is a video of Dr.Bood, USC chairman, pleading with Siyaad Barre to peacefully step down and save the Somali people and nation from more bloodshed and destruction.


If Siad Barre had accepted the advice of Dr. Bood and the many other intellectuals that requested for him to peacefully step down, the various rebel groups would not have been forced to take up arms and there would not have been a civil war in Somalia.

Waxbo been yaan laysku sheegin, he is the man responsible for starting the civil war.


USC were forced to take up arms and save their people from a power-crazed, blood thirsty, tyrannical, dictator.

You are so desperate. Last I checked hawiye also takes part in the oppression of Ogaden today. Barre, or Darood and their evils against Ogaden is non of your business, the same way I couldnt care less if hawiye slaughtered each other by the millions. As for Jess, he allied with your moryaan clan thinking you murders were SANE and had the same objective as him which was TO OUST SIAD BARRE and NOT murder children, women and men who were innocent and ESPECIALLY clans such as the cadcad who had NOTHING to do with Siad Barre or his regime. Youve lost this pathetic attempt to solely blame YOUR evils AFTER Siad Barres death on him alone and you will continue to lose. Stop with your whining, and show us and the world that you absolute maniacs are actually peace loving just like every other clan has.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

Go back to that thread and you'll see I won that discussion too


I'm LEM in debating

Nice attempt at deflection. You change opinions like I change clothes. You praised Aideed in that thread and here you condemned one of his generals who took orders from him. Yet you won't condemn the man himself. You keep dancing around the issue. Do you condemn him or not?

Don't try to deflect again.

 

[Bahal]

Anyway, here's what I would've done.

1)assure all civilians there will be no reprisals against them on a clan basis

2)call for a reconciliation conference where I reach out specifically to members of the opps qabiil.

3) call for the former leadership to turn themselves in and/or exile themselves, when they predictably refuse and prepare for a counterattack decisively beat them on the field of battle, catch them, and execute them for crimes against the state.

4) call for elections in which I'd obviously win seeing as I just won the war and am probably the most famous and admired Somali alive, especially since I have all the firepower hehe.

5)ensure loyal clans are rewarded, give VP to Isaaq, Speaker to Rahanweyn etc. while ensuring even Marehan has some meaningful representation

6) bask in the glory of my new Somalia



Kids would be singing Noolow Jaalle Caydiid for the next two decades

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

The counterattack was defeated and driven back. Siad Barre fled Somalia, along with almost a million daroods. if anything, it was a greater victory than the original ouster, a decisive victory that effectively ended any chance of a Darood return and guaranteed USC's supremacy.

Yes that counter attack was stopped at the gates of mogadishu but at what cost?
Thousands of civilians, killed, starved, injured and tortured?

Siad Barre knew he could not recapture Mogadishu, so what was the point of the counter offensive other than to kill as many people as possible?

What happened then?

USC created a temporary local administration in every town they liberated and met with other rebel factions such as SPM,SSDF and SNM to establish a permanent national government. Heck we were even willing meet with SNF(remanants of Siyaad's army) if the were ready to come to the table.

Here are USC commanders meeting with the elders of Kismaayo to create a local temporary administration in Kismaayo.


USC leaders meeting with SNM leaders.

If it wasn't for the UNOSOM invasion and "disarmament" schemes, which allowed warlord like Morgan & Gabyow to regroup, we would most likely have had a permanent unity government with Caydiid(AUN) as president and Tuur(AUN) or Abdullahi Yusuf as PM.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Nice attempt at deflection. You change opinions like I change clothes. You praised Aideed in that thread and here you condemned one of his generals who took orders from him. Yet you won't condemn the man himself. You keep dancing around the issue. Do you condemn him or not?

Don't try to deflect again.

I condemned a general who took it upon himself to follow the unhumane handbook of Barre and Morgan. He didn't take direct orders from Aideed, which is supported by documents and the court case which sentenced him to death.


I've never changed opinion, nor have I blindly supported or hates anyone. Not Aideed, not Barre not HSM. You lot keep fucking thinking that, buts it's not the case.

I support Aideed for the peace deal he made with AY about Gaalkacyo that lasted for two decades after his death

I support Aideed for his karbashing of the US

These are two examples. Have you never heard of nuance?

Shit I don't see you going after anyone blindly supporting Barre or brushing his evil acts that were directly ordered by him

 

[Bahal]

Yes that counter attack was stopped at the gates of mogadishu but at what cost?
Thousands of civilians, killed, starved, injured and tortured?

Siad Barre knew he could not recapture Mogadishu, so what was the point of the counter offensive other than to kill as many people as possible?




USC created a temporary local administration in every town they liberated and met with other rebel factions such as SPM,SSDF and SNM to establish a permanent national government. Heck we were even willing meet with SNF(remanants of Siyaad's army) if the were ready to come to the table.

Here are USC commanders meeting with the elders of Kismaayo to create a local temporary administration in Kismaayo.


USC leaders meeting with SNM leaders.

If it wasn't for the UNOSOM invasion and "disarmament" schemes, which allowed warlord like Morgan & Gabyow to regroup, we would most likely have had a permanent unity government with Caydiid(AUN) as president and Tuur(AUN) or Abdullahi Yusuf as PM.

So it was da white man's fault in the end.

Always the victim it's never your fault



Nothing to do with the fact the guy alienated himself to the point he was killed by literally a laf of sacad. That's how far gone the guy was, it went from Darood and Hawiye, to Habar Gidir and Abgaal, to Sacad on Sacad

 

[Duchess]

What I've gotten from this topic:

- it's not okay when Barre's regime targets innocent civilians based solely on clan, but it's okay when my clan does it.
- it's not okay when Barre's regime consolidated power along qabil lines, but it's okay when my clan does it.
- we will condemn the Kacaan for being an aid dependent regime and provide excuses for all their accomplishment but we will show off about the infrastructure donated to our aid dependent qabil states.
- members of my clan that were part of the Kacaan regime are forgiven and even given power to lead but all Darood even those who opposed the regime are Faqash and worthy of being slaughtered.

You want us to believe the USC brought back "freedom" to the Somali people but why hasn't Somalia had one man one vote in nearly 50 years?

If this is what you guys are celebrating, it's no wonder Somalia is a failed state.

 

[Lord Flacko]

What I've gotten from this topic:

- it's not okay when Barre's regime targets innocent civilians based solely on clan, but it's okay when my clan does it.
- it's not okay when Barre's regime consolidated power along qabil lines, but it's okay when my clan does it.
- we will condemn the Kacaan for being an aid dependent regime and provide excuses for all their accomplishment but we will show off about the infrastructure donated to our aid dependent qabil states.
- members of my clan that were part of the Kacaan regime are forgiven and even given power to lead but all Darood even those who opposed the regime are Faqash and worthy of being slaughtered.

You want us to believe the USC brought back "freedom" to the Somali people but why hasn't Somalia had one man one vote in nearly 50 years?

If this is what you guys are celebrating, it's no wonder Somalia is a failed state.

You're just making up shit now Last ditch effort to save face

 

[Duchess]

Aboowe you must have me mixed up with someone else if you think I give a shit what you think. I won't waste another second arguing with the likes of you. You're beyond helping.

 

[cantspeak]

I condemn it.

Now answer the question.

You're the Lion of Africa, you've just freed Somalia from the nefarious clutches of the brutal dictator Siad Barre. Let's say you even executed him and his leadership (only part you ever answered btw ). Where do you go from there.

Do you:

A) attack every clan within a 500 mile radius
B) ethnically cleanse civilians
C) somehow lose out to a hotelier and chimp out leading to disaster
Or
D) all of the above

 

[Bahal]

What I've gotten from this topic:

- it's not okay when Barre's regime targets innocent civilians based solely on clan, but it's okay when my clan does it.
- it's not okay when Barre's regime consolidated power along qabil lines, but it's okay when my clan does it.
- we will condemn the Kacaan for being an aid dependent regime and provide excuses for all their accomplishment but we will show off about the infrastructure donated to our aid dependent qabil states.
- members of my clan that were part of the Kacaan regime are forgiven and even given power to lead but all Darood even those who opposed the regime are Faqash and worthy of being slaughtered.

You want us to believe the USC brought back "freedom" to the Somali people but why hasn't Somalia had one man one vote in nearly 50 years?

If this is what you guys are celebrating, it's no wonder Somalia is a failed state.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Aboowe you must have me mixed up with someone else if you think I give a shit what you think. I won't waste another second arguing with the likes of you. You're beyond helping.

Don't post lies and nobody will care about your posts


And don't make to gay list either Ain't nobody here said that shit. Closest is from the Barre supporters themselves

 

[waraabe]

Kkkkkk cajiib

 

[Abdalla]

kkkkkkk this is funny walahi, I won't lie trigger level is over 9000

1: Caydeed and the USC are immune and not responsible for the actions of USC commander Gutaale and his crimes against humanity but Barre is responsible for the actions of his officers?
2: Let's disregard what the family of Haji Muse Boqor says about who killed him. Didn't occur to you why they are pointing their fingers at USC and not Barre, who imprisoned him for almost 2 decades? Maybe because they witnessed the harassment and death threats he was receiving prior to his murder.

 

[Abdalla]

Nice try.

Baraxley Bob

 

[Bahal]

Baraxley Bob

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

You are so desperate. Last I checked hawiye also takes part in the oppression of Ogaden.

Explain how?
Your people are more free to walk in Mogadishu without fear of being sold to Ethiopia than they are in the land of your fellow Daroods in PL.

As for Jess, he allied with your moryaan clan thinking you murders were SANE and had the same objective as him which was TO OUST SIAD BARRE and NOT murder children, women and men who were innocent and ESPECIALLY clans such as the cadcad who had NOTHING to do with Siad Barre or his regime.

Anytime you view the world through the perverted lenses of clan loyalties, you are bound to make a parody of yourself.

Quit this pro-Darood charade and stop with the "bbut hawiye" immature rants.
Omar Jess and your clan were key in breaking the back of the regime, besides, the Darood you claim to love are the reason your people are being sold like slaves in the 21st century. The reality is USC was not a Hawiye-exclusive organization but it made up of many different characters united under one ideology, "to oust siad barre". The claim that it was a clan based organization is really absurd.
How can you talk shit about USC yet still praise Omar Jess?

Cumar Jess= USC
USC = Cumar Jess

NOT murder children, women and men who were innocent and ESPECIALLY clans such as the cadcad who had NOTHING to do with Siad Barre or his regime.

You do not have single proof for your many accusations, USC did not murder children nor innocents, infact USC didn't harm any Kacaan POWs unlike other rebel groups.
Here are USC commanders giving water to captured Kacaan POWs.

Youve lost this pathetic attempt to solely blame YOUR evils AFTER Siad Barres death on him alone and you will continue to lose. Stop with your whining, and show us and the world that you absolute maniacs are actually peace loving just like every other clan has.

Stop with the verbal diarrhea and inferiority complex. Just try to be a normal human being and for once get your priorities right. Hawiye are your brothers, sisters and fellow Somalis, just like any other clan, envying them this much is extremely not good for your health at all. Quit your silly acts and just live your life!

Nothing to do with the fact the guy alienated himself to the point he was killed by literally a laf of sacad. That's how far gone the guy was, it went from Darood and Hawiye, to Habar Gidir and Abgaal, to Sacad on Sacad

Caydiid(AUN) was calling for national unity not attacking other clans.




Caydiid(AUN) has nothing to do with inter-Sacad, inter-HG or inter-Hawiye wars. Clans have been fighting since the beginning of time, blaming one man shows you are either dishonest or extremely retarded.


Also you are yet to answer this question:

Siad Barre knew he could not recapture Mogadishu, so what was the point of the counter offensive other than to kill as many people as possible?

 

[Mudug-Madman]

Baraxley Bob

 

[Mudug-Madman]

I condemned a general who took it upon himself to follow the unhumane handbook of Barre and Morgan. He didn't take direct orders from Aideed, which is supported by documents and the court case which sentenced him to death.


I've never changed opinion, nor have I blindly supported or hates anyone. Not Aideed, not Barre not HSM. You lot keep fucking thinking that, buts it's not the case.

I support Aideed for the peace deal he made with AY about Gaalkacyo that lasted for two decades after his death

I support Aideed for his karbashing of the US

These are two examples. Have you never heard of nuance?

Shit I don't see you going after anyone blindly supporting Barre or brushing his evil acts that were directly ordered by him

So you support Aideed. Just say it, don't be so spineless. You'll never see me support Morgan or Barre.