Most of Asia will grow old before rich, possibly Africa too.

[GemState]

A trend in developing Asia is starting to emerge, I'll be focusing on India but similar dynamics are there in Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal, etc.

At similar levels of real purchasing power, Indians today in the HIGHEST FERTILITY states have LOWER FERTILITY than Koreans had when they had those income levels. Indian women in high-TFR states are having ***two fewer children*** on average than Korean women had at similar incomes.

And if we look at the richest states/union territories in India like Goa, we can see that ultra-low fertility is very likely in India's future. India will end up having a huge wave of old retirees when the country is still rather low income.

 

[GemState]

At some point, aging creates limits on the amount of growth and possible productivity one can contribute to a society. This is the challenge Japan faces now, and in two decades, we will see this more broadly in Asia, Latin America and elsewhere. This is the biggest challenge, if a country ages before it gets rich, it basically condemns a country to a certain level of wealth and development.

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

Governments will not cut their entitlement programs or increase the retirement age due to the social unrest or their electoral defeats that would occur. At most, they'll only have it affect people under 25.

Expect these countries to start "denying" life saving surgeries and treatments to elderly people by using the convenient excuse that they are "collapsing" the health care system that was really caused by flatlining expenditures or not reallocating existing health care funding for elderly people as the population gets older. They will find creative ways to kill them off sooner than have them collect their pensions as they live alot longer. In Canada, they are allowing people to get physician assisted euthanasia for living in poverty; these Asian countries do not have mercy and will go much further.

Their mistake was not welcoming immigration. Once you go under the replacement rate, it's almost impossible to reach it again.

The next few decades are not going to look good.

 

[Rocktheboat]

The downsides of industrializing rapidly

 

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

To avoid such a fate we need to euthanize anyone above the age of 40 in somalia

 

[SanaLaporte]

This is why the gulf is the best place, don't care when you have natural resources

 

[SanaLaporte]

Governments will not cut their entitlement programs or increase the retirement age due to the social unrest or their electoral defeats that would occur. At most, they'll only have it affect people under 25.

Expect these countries to start "denying" life saving surgeries and treatments to elderly people by using the convenient excuse that they are "collapsing" the health care system that was really caused by flatlining expenditures or not reallocating existing health care funding for elderly people as the population gets older. They will find creative ways to kill them off sooner than have them collect their pensions as they live alot longer. In Canada, they are allowing people to get physician assisted euthanasia for living in poverty; these Asian countries do not have mercy and will go much further.

Their mistake was not welcoming immigration. Once you go under the replacement rate, it's almost impossible to reach it again.

The next few decades are not going to look good.

You don't need migration all you need is to stop ultra rich people occurring and distribute wealth enough for people to have enough to live and have children

Also, it's their fault for splitting the family units and community for industrialisation people don't have family or morals or community to hold onto to lean on

 

[ZBR]

Alot to due with rapid urbanization and urbanization period

Cities wipe people out

 

[ZBR]

This has enormous implications also Ethiopia and Kenya’s urbane fertility have called dramatically and will possibly continue to do so

 

[ZBR]

This could be a catalyst of Asian economic migrants out west towards us, if we’re stable we can take advantage of their technical expertise and labor

Establish industry and manufacturing w migrant workers with temporary visas and maybe permanent residence after 20 years of employment and good behavior but only for Muslims

Somalis live in rural areas

This can be good for us as long as we don’t urbanize

A more intensive version of the Gulf model with more industry

 

[ZBR]

Also as resources dry up due to population booms and climate change in central Africa in places like Congo S Sudan and Uganda there could be a influx of African labor too, all this could be a boon if we are stable and plan ahead or it could be atrocious for us

 

[GemState]

Governments will not cut their entitlement programs or increase the retirement age due to the social unrest or their electoral defeats that would occur. At most, they'll only have it affect people under 25.

Expect these countries to start "denying" life saving surgeries and treatments to elderly people by using the convenient excuse that they are "collapsing" the health care system that was really caused by flatlining expenditures or not reallocating existing health care funding for elderly people as the population gets older. They will find creative ways to kill them off sooner than have them collect their pensions as they live alot longer. In Canada, they are allowing people to get physician assisted euthanasia for living in poverty; these Asian countries do not have mercy and will go much further.

Their mistake was not welcoming immigration. Once you go under the replacement rate, it's almost impossible to reach it again.

The next few decades are not going to look good.

Canada has just destroyed the birth rate because of the exponential increase in cost of living. In 1990 Canada had a population of 27.7 million. 405k births. 2021? 367k births in a country of 38 Million. It gets even worse regionally. British Columbia is projected to have a fertility rate of 1.13 this year, which is lower than Japan for example.

Something in Canada will break soon IMO, this cycle of;

Low Birth rates -> Immigration-> Expensive houses -> Low Birth rates -> More immigration is a crazy feedback loop

 

[ZBR]

A strong lawful society without crime will attract labor from across the world , how we can stay pure when these hordes come is to have some of us that manage it live in the cities but the rest to live egalitarian lives in rural areas with subsidized inputs in our livestock, live a pure comfortable life only among our brethren, our young boys and girls stay strong learning, studying, not distracted by the vices and dirtiness of the cities

 

[ZBR]

Countries will be fighting for these new waves of cheap labor this is what owners of industry want to make them their super profits

our advantage would be proximity

 

[ZBR]

Also demand for manufacturing will drop faster than the Great Asian Retirement , a recipe for economic turmoil in manufacturing dependent societies like China Korea and Vietnam

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

Canada has just destroyed the birth rate because of the exponential increase in cost of living. In 1990 Canada had a population of 27.7 million. 405k births. 2021? 367k births in a country of 38 Million. It gets even worse regionally. British Columbia is projected to have a fertility rate of 1.13 this year, which is lower than Japan for example.

Something in Canada will break soon IMO, this cycle of;

Low Birth rates -> Immigration-> Expensive houses -> Low Birth rates -> More immigration is a crazy feedback loop

British Columbia is a place of just rich foreigners, childless professional single/couples, homeless people and retired white people with defined benefit pensions. I was in Vancouver in the summer for the first time and the demographics was insane; barely any children or young families except well off ones. The income gap there was very obvious.

People are definently starting to break and I've noticed it with commentary online. You should check out r/Canada threads on Reddit and read the comments. Half the threads there are doom and gloom and full of anxious left leaning former welcoming Canadians who have surprisingly become sick of immigration, stagnant wages, high rents and real estate prices, grocery prices, suicide ideation, complaining of mental health problems, shitty health care, etc. People in real life are also visibly pissed off these past few years. It's very scary. I now limit my interactions with people I dont know. I had an incident recently of a normal looking woman who went psycho on me. I decided to even create a home gym and end my gym membership and stick to my full remote work days. A random white lady was killed by a mentally ill man on the train a few days ago. People are going crazy. Trudeau is to blame and he destroyed this country.

But I believe this will replicate soon worldwide. The peak of the world's greatness was around 2010. Everything is going downhill. We are at the early stages of societal collapse.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

British Columbia is a place of just rich foreigners, childless professional single/couples, homeless people and retired white people with defined benefit pensions. I was in Vancouver in the summer for the first time and the demographics was insane; barely any children or young families except well off ones. The income gap there was very obvious.

People are definently starting to break and I've noticed it with commentary online. You should check out r/Canada threads on Reddit and read the comments. Half the threads there are doom and gloom and full of anxious left leaning former welcoming Canadians who have surprisingly become sick of immigration, stagnant wages, high rents and real estate prices, grocery prices, suicide ideation, complaining of mental health problems, shitty health care, etc. People in real life are also visibly pissed off these past few years. It's very scary. I now limit my interactions with people I dont know. I had an incident recently of a normal looking woman who went psycho on me. I decided to even create a home gym and end my gym membership and stick to my full remote work days. A random white lady was killed by a mentally ill man on the train a few days ago. People are going crazy. Trudeau is to blame and he destroyed this country.

But I believe this will replicate soon worldwide. The peak of the world's greatness was around 2010. Everything is going downhill. We are at the early stages of societal collapse.

Housing is getting so expensive in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are insane. Do you think Alberta might be a better option for a young Somali professional to build wealth then piss it away in van or Toronto?

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

Housing is getting so expensive in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are insane. Do you think Alberta might be a better option for a young Somali professional to build wealth then piss it away in van or Toronto?

It's the last place of normalcy in Canada but people I know who live there don't want reer Ontario to come and destroy Alberta like you destroyed the rest of Canada with your left wing politics. You should go but integrate as a true Albertan.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

It's the last place of normalcy in Canada but people I know who live there don't want reer Ontario to come and destroy Alberta like you destroyed the rest of Canada with your left wing politics. You should go but integrate as a true Albertan.

Alberta will be conquered by deranged leftists and communists. Soon your streets and cities will look like east Hastings Vancouver. Mark my words

 

[El Nino]

At some point, aging creates limits on the amount of growth and possible productivity one can contribute to a society. This is the challenge Japan faces now, and in two decades, we will see this more broadly in Asia, Latin America and elsewhere. This is the biggest challenge, if a country ages before it gets rich, it basically condemns a country to a certain level of wealth and development.

Somalis should avoid this fate by any means necessary. For example, Thailand has gdp per capita of 7200 dollars and tfr of 1.491. Not a good thing to have. They will age rapidly and can’t pay for foreign help.

I fear the profileration of smartphones in Somalia will decrease the fertility, Inshallah that doesn’t happen. The next 40 years are crucial for us.