Muslim argument against Christianity

[axmedxajiisback]

The argument goes something like this: Christians are blasphemers because they associate partners with Allah. How could Allah have a son when he created everything? The Quran maintains that Jesus was never actually crucified and it only appeared that way to people at the time. Not only was he not crucified, he never rose from the dead or claimed deity.

The only problem (s) are these
- Christians believe that God entered into his creation in the form of man and not that god had a biological son. So the argument about partners with Allah is invalid.
- The Quran claims that the word of god cannot be corrupted, and yet Muslims claim his word in the bible has been corrupted by man. By this logic, the Quran could've easily been corrupted.
- There are literally no Christians or people that lived in Jesus' time that believed he wasn't crucified, rose from the dead and claimed deity. If no one knew that Jesus WASN'T crucified, Allah intentionally misled hundreds of millions for millennia only to tell them in the 7th century that they were wrong.
- So, the "corrupt book" argument is invalid for the reason I stated and the non-crucifixion story says something really bad about Allah

This is coming from an atheist who doesn't believe in Christianity by the way. It's just pathetic how you Muslims bought Muhammad's propaganda hook line and sinker.

 

[horumar]

This is not ummah forum, but if you want to know wait Christianity and Islam, read the word of Allah, the king of the heavens and the earth.

 

[Malcolm X]

Good questions, here's my answers

• It's not about that, it's about the concept of trinity that we disagree with. It doesn't matter if Jesus is actual son or not, it's unthinkable for us to think that there are more than 1 God no matter how much Christians try to frame it as one God.
• Everything happens with His permission. Bible and other books was corrupted because Allah willed it. Allah has willed for Qur'an to be uncorrupted and remain uncorrupted until the end of the Earth.
• I'll let this link to speak for you. You're asking if Allah has misled us? I disagree. If I lie to you, does it mean Allah has lied to you seeing that I am Allah's creation?

 

[Dino]

The argument goes something like this: Christians are blasphemers because they associate partners with Allah. How could Allah have a son when he created everything? The Quran maintains that Jesus was never actually crucified and it only appeared that way to people at the time. Not only was he not crucified, he never rose from the dead or claimed deity.

The only problem (s) are these
- Christians believe that God entered into his creation in the form of man and not that god had a biological son. So the argument about partners with Allah is invalid.
- The Quran claims that the word of god cannot be corrupted, and yet Muslims claim his word in the bible has been corrupted by man. By this logic, the Quran could've easily been corrupted.
- There are literally no Christians or people that lived in Jesus' time that believed he wasn't crucified, rose from the dead and claimed deity. If no one knew that Jesus WASN'T crucified, Allah intentionally misled hundreds of millions for millennia only to tell them in the 7th century that they were wrong.
- So, the "corrupt book" argument is invalid for the reason I stated and the non-crucifixion story says something really bad about Allah

This is coming from an atheist who doesn't believe in Christianity by the way. It's just pathetic how you Muslims bought Muhammad's propaganda hook line and sinker.

+ So if God entered the creation in the form of a man. who was the other God controlling the heavens? when God on earth says my god my god why has thou forsaken me is he talking to the God in the heavens or himself?
+ You dumb idiot. You think the bible is what the quran is talking about? The quran mentions the injeel of isa. The gospel of jesus. There is no such thing as a gospel of jesus in the bible. It's gospel according to mark, luke,john and mathew. So get outta here
+ Wrong. There were unitarian christians who believed in not just one God but jesus was just a man a messiah and the messenger of God. Those christians who followed him are promised paradise as stated by the quran.

The so called crucifixion of jesus was so interesting because according to mathew when in the most critical time of jesus all his disciples forsook him and fled. They ran away and they thought he was murdered. Until they saw him the flesh three days. Go watch ahmed deedat's video crucifiction or crucifixion.

Prophet muhammad told arabs who are the arch enemy of the jews that mary the mother of jesus a jew was such a praiseworthy woman and the quran alone has a chapter named after her. Her son is mentioned more times in the quran than the prophet of islam. seriously murtad.

 

[axmedxajiisback]

+ So if God entered the creation in the form of a man. who was the other God controlling the heavens? when God on earth says my god my god why has thou forsaken me is he talking to the God in the heavens or himself?
+ You dumb idiot. You think the bible is what the quran is talking about? The quran mentions the injeel of isa. The gospel of jesus. There is no such thing as a gospel of jesus in the bible. It's gospel according to mark, luke,john and mathew. So get outta here
+ Wrong. There were unitarian christians who believed in not just one God but jesus was just a man a messiah and the messenger of God. Those christians who followed him are promised paradise as stated by the quran.

The so called crucifixion of jesus was so interesting because according to mathew when in the most critical time of jesus all his disciples forsook him and fled. They ran away and they thought he was murdered. Until they saw him the flesh three days. Go watch ahmed deedat's video crucifiction or crucifixion.

Prophet muhammad told arabs who are the arch enemy of the jews that mary the mother of jesus a jew was such a praiseworthy woman and the quran alone has a chapter named after her. Her son is mentioned more times in the quran than the prophet of islam. seriously murtad.

If god entered his creation who was doing god's other duties? He's god. He's capable of appearing as a man and doing everything else god does.

Why did Jesus say "why have you forsaken me?" The story of Christianity is god acting like a man and experiencing what a man experiences. Like a man being murdered on a cross, he cried out like a man would. God, according to you and others, can do many things at once. He CAN appear as a man and at the same time torture that man he appears as. You claim to be a believer in god and yet this flies over your head.

I know everything about the crucifixion of Jesus. Yes his disciples did run away when they saw him being murdered. Hundreds of people saw that same guy that was murdered three days later and dozens of people met him. It is to these people that he claimed deity, ruled over and lived a sinless life. If you are going to make dumbass claims, do research.

Yes, the bible is in effect what the Quran is talking about. It's dozens of books with over 40 authors. If you don't know, the Quran claims to be the word of god but was written down and organized by men.

There were Unitarian churches? These churches never doubted the death, deity and resurrection of Christ. They just had a bone to pick with the framing and the whole trinity talk. Under NO circumstance did they say that Jesus wasn't killed, didn't rise from the dead and claim deity. That's just not true. You can't make things up to feel better.

 

[Naissur]

It's not about that, it's about the concept of trinity that we disagree with. It doesn't matter if Jesus is actual son or not, it's unthinkable for us to think that there are more than 1 God no matter how much Christians try to frame it as one God.

But the idea is that there's no more than one God. If God took the form of man, as the OP says, then there's no more than one God, as Jesus = God. Also, "it's unthinkable for us to think that there are more than 1 God no matter how much Christians try to frame it as one God," doesn't make sense - what's unthinkable for you (that there's more than one God), and what you say they argue (that there isn't), are exact opposites.

 

[Malcolm X]

But the idea is that there's no more than one God. If God took the form of man, as the OP says, then there's no more than one God, as Jesus = God. Also, "it's unthinkable for us to think that there are more than 1 God no matter how much Christians try to frame it as one God," doesn't make sense - what's unthinkable for you (that there's more than one God), and what you say they argue (that there isn't), are exact opposites.

No, that's not what Christians believe. Christians believe that, through trinity, Jesus took the form of man while the other two forms of the Gods at that time did not.

Christians also believe that in other times before the birth of Jesus, Father the god turned into a human.

There is a clear distinction between the three gods in Christianity.

 

[axmedxajiisback]

Good questions, here's my answers

• It's not about that, it's about the concept of trinity that we disagree with. It doesn't matter if Jesus is actual son or not, it's unthinkable for us to think that there are more than 1 God no matter how much Christians try to frame it as one God.
• Everything happens with His permission. Bible and other books was corrupted because Allah willed it. Allah has willed for Qur'an to be uncorrupted and remain uncorrupted until the end of the Earth.
• I'll let this link to speak for you. You're asking if Allah has misled us? I disagree. If I lie to you, does it mean Allah has lied to you seeing that I am Allah's creation?

The trinity

No, that's not what Christians believe. Christians believe that, through trinity, Jesus took the form of man while the other two forms of the Gods at that time did not.

Christians also believe that in other times before the birth of Jesus, Father the god turned into a human.

There is a clear distinction between the three gods in Christianity.

Christians believe that god is one in essence and three in person. For example, there's a difference between what you are and who you are: you are human but you also have a name, personality etc. God the father is the will of god who spoke everything into existence; Jesus is the spoken word of god (God enters into his creation as a man similar to how Allah spoke to Moses through a fire in the Quran); the Holy Spirit is the power of god.

There are no three gods. There's one. He created the universe through his word and entered that word in the form of man. When god entered into his creation, there was no other god holding down the fort and keeping things together. God at the same time entered into his creation and ran the universe. If you're a Muslim and can't understand that god can do whatever he wants, I don't know what tell you.

 

[bluebird]

Are you that insecure about your own religion you have to pretend to be atheist? Guys don't waste your time on this man, I can garauntee you he was sent here to do Christian dawah and doesn't know zip about Islam

 

[axmedxajiisback]

Are you that insecure about your own religion you have to pretend to be atheist? Guys don't waste your time on this man, I can garauntee you he was sent here to do Christian dawah and doesn't know zip about Islam

I understand Islam and Christianity and what they're about. Let's say I am a Christian. If what I'm saying about the Quran's account is factual, why don't you do research to disprove it? And let me tell you something about being an atheist: I don't believe there is no god, period; I just reject the 7th century god who is a product of Muhammad's control tactics OR the convenient Jewish bullshit.

 

[Malcolm X]

The trinity

Christians believe that god is one in essence and three in person. For example, there's a difference between what you are and who you are: you are human but you also have a name, personality etc. God the father is the will of god who spoke everything into existence; Jesus is the spoken word of god (God enters into his creation as a man similar to how Allah spoke to Moses through a fire in the Quran); the Holy Spirit is the power of god.

There are no three gods. There's one. He created the universe through his word and entered that word in the form of man. When god entered into his creation, there was no other god holding down the fort and keeping things together. God at the same time entered into his creation and ran the universe. If you're a Muslim and can't understand that god can do whatever he wants, I don't know what tell you.

I disagree. That's just your view but to me, it is 3 separate gods because two of them took on a human form and each gods have overlapping roles rather than separate as you claimed.

Jesus wasn't the only who was the spoken word of God. The Father also spoke to humans on several occasions.

We Muslims do not view it as one god, we believe the concept of trinity is a polytheism belief.

The old quote applies to this situation - if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

 

[bluebird]

I understand Islam and Christianity and what they're about. Let's say I am a Christian. If what I'm saying about the Quran's account is factual, why don't you do research to disprove it? And let me tell you something about being an atheist: I don't believe there is no god, period; I just reject the 7th century god who is a product of Muhammad's control tactics OR the convenient Jewish bullshit.

before anyone tries to disprove what your saying, get your facts straight. You're all over the place with your bullshit, not even making sense. Why try to disprove a religion when the fundamentals are foreign to you

 

[axmedxajiisback]

before anyone tries to disprove what your saying, get your facts straight. You're all over the place with your bullshit, not even making sense

I said what you believe about Christianity is a product of Muhammad's political goals and desire for control. He knew what Christianity was about and diminished the role of Jesus to make himself more important. I say this because up until Muhammad, there was no dispute in Christian communities that Jesus died on the cross, rose from the dead and claimed deity. To throw centuries of belief down the drain and just say that someone else was killed on the cross and that Muhammad is the final messenger makes no sense.

 

[axmedxajiisback]

I disagree. That's just your view but to me, it is 3 separate gods because two of them took on a human form and each gods have overlapping roles rather than separate as you claimed.

Jesus wasn't the only who was the spoken word of God. The Father also spoke to humans on several occasions.

We Muslims do not view it as one god, we believe the concept of trinity is a polytheism belief.

The old quote applies to this situation - if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

You don't view it as one god because that is what you chose to believe. It's not a carefully studied conclusion. Muhammad threw a monkey wrench into a thousand years of Christian belief to diminish what people thought of Jesus and installed himself as the most important human. I have a question for you: are you sure it's Christians that are polytheists when you have to proclaim La Illaha Ilallah Muhammad Rasuul Allah as a proclamation of faith? You literally associate a partner with Allah while complaining about Christians.

 

[axmedxajiisback]

Good questions, here's my answers

• It's not about that, it's about the concept of trinity that we disagree with. It doesn't matter if Jesus is actual son or not, it's unthinkable for us to think that there are more than 1 God no matter how much Christians try to frame it as one God.
• Everything happens with His permission. Bible and other books was corrupted because Allah willed it. Allah has willed for Qur'an to be uncorrupted and remain uncorrupted until the end of the Earth.
• I'll let this link to speak for you. You're asking if Allah has misled us? I disagree. If I lie to you, does it mean Allah has lied to you seeing that I am Allah's creation?

Everything happens with his permission. How do you know the Quran wasn't corrupted with his permission and that a thousand years later a new prophet will tell you that? After all, the Christians weren't told that the book would eventually be corrupted until Muhammad came along. They thought the word of god was eternal and incorruptible, just like you.

 

[bluebird]

I said what you believe about Christianity is a product of Muhammad's political goals and desire for control. He knew what Christianity was about and diminished the role of Jesus to make himself more important. I say this because up until Muhammad, there was no dispute in Christian communities that Jesus died on the cross, rose from the dead and claimed deity. To throw centuries of belief down the drain and just say that someone else was killed on the cross and that Muhammad is the final messenger makes no sense.

It wasn't until Paul came with his vision the Christians deified Jesus (as). The true Christians stuck to the right path, such as Khadijah's (as) uncle who was the Christian scholar who told her the signs of a prophet. And they embraced Islam

 

[Naissur]

Everything happens with his permission. How do you know the Quran wasn't corrupted with his permission and that a thousand years later a new prophet will tell you that? After all, the Christians weren't told that the book would eventually be corrupted until Muhammad came along. They thought the word of god was eternal and incorruptible, just like you.

Go away with your logic and reasoning!

da answer is cuz he sed n d Koran, innit.

 

[axmedxajiisback]

It wasn't until Paul came with his vision the Christians deified Jesus (as). The true Christians stuck to the right path, such as Khadijah's (as) uncle who was the Christian scholar who told her the signs of a prophet. And they embraced Islam

So the Christian uncle of a 7th century woman agreed with Muhammad, and therefore Islam is right and Christianity is wrong? How did you even type this up? There is nothing about Christianity before and after Muhammad that agrees in any way with Islam. The core of Christianity--death, deity and resurrection of Christ, was never in dispute. It's what the earliest Christians believed. What are you talking about?

 

[axmedxajiisback]

It wasn't until Paul came with his vision the Christians deified Jesus (as). The true Christians stuck to the right path, such as Khadijah's (as) uncle who was the Christian scholar who told her the signs of a prophet. And they embraced Islam

Yes, many Christians did defy the teachings of Christ but the core historical narrative was never in dispute at any point.

 

[bluebird]

Yes, many Christians did defy the teachings of Christ but the core historical narrative was never in dispute at any point.

I said deified not defied. Also go learn your own religion I shouldn't have to tell you the role Paul played in modern day Christianity, and in declaring Jesus as the son of God.

Also I gave you him as an example of Christians who weren't followers of the false prophet Paul.

All the prophets preached the same message as Islam until Paul came along with his blasphemy