Muslim brothers and sisters, pleases come in.
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Imam Bukhari lived more than 200 years AFTER the events who wrote about occurred. As any competent historian will tell you, these documents are not reliable. The most reliable historical documents are those written by live witnesses. And no, the so-called Islamic "isnad" or chain narration is not sound substitute. These chain of narrations don't establish the truthfulness of the actual stories.
Hadiths still plays an important role in Islam. I am just upset that how some people believe if a hadith comes from Bukhari or Muslim means that it cannot be challenged or questioned.
This one is in saheeh muslim:
'Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i.e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (May peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (May peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.
Book number 8 number 3425.
I just wished that the so called scholars could start a reseach to test the truthfulness of each hadith and the chain of narration and just pond on the soundness of each hadith.
Thats why I want the authenticity of each hadith to be tested.
OmarLittle
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This one is from sunan abu dawuud but it is still considered authentic by many if not the majority of scholars.
"A blind man had a female slave who had borne him a child (umm walad) who reviled the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and disparaged him, and he told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she paid no heed.
One night she started to disparage and revile the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he took a dagger and put it in her stomach and pressed on it and killed her. There fell between her legs a child who was smeared with the blood that was there.
The next morning mention of that was made to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he assembled the people and said: “I adjure by Allaah the man who did this to stand up.”
The blind man stood up and came through the people, trembling, and he came and sat before the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said: O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it. She used to revile you and disparage you, and I told her not to do it but she did not stop, and I rebuked her but she paid no heed. I have two sons from her who are like two pearls, and she was good to me. Last night she started to revile you and disparage you, and I took a dagger and placed it on her stomach and I pressed on it until I killed her.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness that no retaliation is due for her blood.” "
Number 4361.
There is just so many things that I feel is wrong with this hadith. I remember hearing this hadith for the first time from the radio from a sheikh and then the sheikh concluded that the ruling for blasphemy is death penalty, EVEN IF THE PERSON REPENTED.
"A blind man had a female slave who had borne him a child (umm walad) who reviled the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and disparaged him, and he told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she paid no heed.
One night she started to disparage and revile the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he took a dagger and put it in her stomach and pressed on it and killed her. There fell between her legs a child who was smeared with the blood that was there.
The next morning mention of that was made to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he assembled the people and said: “I adjure by Allaah the man who did this to stand up.”
The blind man stood up and came through the people, trembling, and he came and sat before the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said: O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it. She used to revile you and disparage you, and I told her not to do it but she did not stop, and I rebuked her but she paid no heed. I have two sons from her who are like two pearls, and she was good to me. Last night she started to revile you and disparage you, and I took a dagger and placed it on her stomach and I pressed on it until I killed her.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness that no retaliation is due for her blood.” "
Number 4361.
There is just so many things that I feel is wrong with this hadith. I remember hearing this hadith for the first time from the radio from a sheikh and then the sheikh concluded that the ruling for blasphemy is death penalty, EVEN IF THE PERSON REPENTED.
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Research about each narrator in the chain of hadith. Questions has to be asked like does the number and order of the narrators in the chain make sense? Any backgroung information of each narrator. Does the hadith make sense? Does it contradict the quran in anyway?How?
Look for more through archaeology?
OmarLittle
Not your typical Farah
I see. If I remember correctly, weren't you an ex-Muslim?
God forbid, I never was. But I will admit that there was a time when I started questioning a few things inside myself about my deen. But since then I have recovered.
OmarLittle
Not your typical Farah
Okay, I probably confused for you another person. If I was you, I would compile all the hadiths you doubt about and go up the chain into an excel spreadsheet and ask questions if things don't make sense.
Well, why do I have this feeling that you are being sarcastic?
OmarLittle
Not your typical Farah
I'm not, but okayWell, why do I have this feeling that you are being sarcastic?
I am aware of that.
All those things have been done by Islamic scholars in the past. The hadiths that have a sound chain of narration are considered sahih.
But just because a Hadith is authentic doesn't mean it would be used in Islamic law. That's why we have Fiqh.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/splendi...isguidance-except-for-the-fuqaha-jurists/amp/
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