You have to know were bukhri took the hadith from for example the hadith that says aisha was 9 was taken from a Persian guy and that guy likely heard it from people around him and since most of Persia are Shia and don't like aisha I take that hadith with a grain of salt
Muslim brothers and sisters, pleases come in.
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But who verified these ahadith? And why can't we just verify them again ? Why are there different madhabs and why do they have different rulings for the same topic? Aren't these madhabs dependent on ahadith? Their opinions should be respected, but they should shouldn't be left unchallenged.
Maybe you should do some proper research.
They've been verified by scholars since the beginning. Even the biographies of the narrators are recorded and whether they were considered trustworthy or not.
You can verify them again but after 1400+ years it would be difficult to come up with a different viewpoint.
Madhabs are dependent on Hadith but there are other sources of Islamic law that they consider as well. You can't just read a Hadith and say you must practice it without considering it's context and if it can be applied correctly.
It requires many years of studying with qualified scholars to be able to do this. Most Muslims will just follow the opinion of a scholar they trust.
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Essentially, from my understanding, what you have an issue with is not the authenticity but rather the content. It's strikes me as a bit too suspicious that all the Hadiths you question are those that contain questionable claims. You must understand that from a historians perspective, you can't trust the Hadiths as they're authenticity is built upon the supposed goodness of the characters of its chain of narrators.
I will look at the biography of some the narrators in the chain. I know that the hadith is not the only thing they look at before they make a rule.I know whatever the scholars have agreed on cannot simply be swept under the carpet. I will do a research and have a thought about it.
Yes, the content is the main reason for me questioning the authenticity of the Hadith. I will study the way the Hadith has been transmitted for myself and think about it.
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The problem with the Hadiths and the biographies is that they rely on Isnads (chain of narrations) take that away, and you have nothing to corroborate them. No matter how rigorous the process, it's essentially just an example of a generation long Chinese whispers. The character of the narrators isn't really what's in question but rather the accuracy and authenticity of the information. The human brain isn't really good at remembering things. You must also understand that the whole thing is further clouded by supposed supernatural occurrences, which may be fine for a Muslim but problematic to any of those wanting real direct evidence for such 'miracles' like the angels coming in to help the prophet in the battle of badr. Another thing you must consider is the context of the era they were collected. Much of the Hadiths were clear fabrications to strengthen the claims of conflicting caliphs. It was a power source.
Lastly, this may help you, but some early sources of the accounts of the prophets life come mere 12 years after the prophets death. The papyrus of Mohammed, which dates only to 12 years after his death, contradicts the traditional Muslim narrative of the date that the battle of badr took place. The date it provides, is not in Ramadan as the traditional accounts suggest i.e. The Hadiths.
Read this.
Persia was a staunch Sunni nation right up to the 16th century until the Safavid Shah Ismail I made Shia Islam the state religion similar to how king Henry VIII (also in the same period) made Protestantism the state religion replacing Catholicism.
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Pepe Trump
Just goes to show how religion can change just like that.
Oh I totally forget about That thanks for reminding me
Why are you in the religion section a lot. we get it you are atheist and don't like religion
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Pepe Trump
I drop a few comments where I think it's suited, just so happens to be in the religious corner most often.
You are trying to shove your atheism on us I've seen your comments they always have an insult to religion in themI drop a few comments where I think it's suited, just so happens to be in the religious corner most often.
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Hardly insults, they're mostly just facts. However it is true that I do throw around a few insults here and there at the heat of the moment but usually as a reaction to insults. My intentions are beyond that.
Corrections: the 7K (I thought it was 6K?) are what those that passed Islam's "chain of narration" or "isnad" criteria. Non one knows how many of them are actually true.
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