Muslims who believe in evolution

[AdoonkaAlle]

Have you ever thought that these bones and things they dig up is too convenient? Why should you believe it and not be skeptical when it isnt like an atheist would believe in the Quran without requiring actual proof that it came from God. But blindly taking the words of some scientists who claim to have found bones that prove we came from a common ancestor with apes when it clearly conflicts with the story of Adam (as) . And it has too many gaps too be true anyway. Iblis already promised Allah he would make a strong case to make humanity follow him, but the plot of shaitan is weak and as usual has many holes in it (like the theory of evolution) and require blind following. If you believe in TOE then you by default believe we all evolved from a single cell bacteria that formed from carbon (?) on the planet earth after billions of years of some cosmic explosion. I cant even keep up with whatever it is since they always change it

Muslims need to understand that the ideological framework of evolution is based on the rejection of God as an explanation for the biological novelty we see around us, it's a dogmatic presupposition that is based on Naturalism

No one ever credits randomness to anything except that it leads to chaos but in biology random natural processes are credited with achieving results that are known only to be produced by non-natural processes ie intelligent beings. No one has ever observed complex biological structures being created by random mutations and selection in a laboratory or elsewhere so why claim otherwise when there's no direct evidence to support it.

They believe that the mechanisms of evolution accomplish wonders of creativity not because the wonders can be demonstrated, but because they cannot think of a more plausible explanation for the existence of wonders that does not involve an unacceptable creator, i.e., a being or force outside the world of nature. Now what would be the end result of investigation carried out by such individuals?

To make matters worse evolution can not account for how life began on earth.

One can not claim to hold on to 2 different views that contradict each other, sooner or later you'll be forced to discard one view in favour for the one that is convincing. It's only a matter of time before that happens

 

[TekNiKo]

Evvolution is fake godless doga fed to the masses

#MyFatherAdam
#MyMotherEve
#NotAHomo

 

[Jujuman]

Muslims need to understand that the ideological framework of evolution is based on the rejection of God as an explanation for the biological novelty we see around us, it's a dogmatic presupposition that is based on Naturalism

No one ever credits randomness to anything except that it leads to chaos but in biology random natural processes are credited with achieving results that are known only to be produced by non-natural processes ie intelligent beings. No one has ever observed complex biological structures being created by random mutations and selection in a laboratory or elsewhere so why claim otherwise when there's no direct evidence to support it.

They believe that the mechanisms of evolution accomplish wonders of creativity not because the wonders can be demonstrated, but because they cannot think of a more plausible explanation for the existence of wonders that does not involve an unacceptable creator, i.e., a being or force outside the world of nature. Now what would be the end result of investigation carried out by such individuals?

To make matters worse evolution can not account for how life began on earth.

One can not claim to hold on to 2 different views that contradict each other, sooner or later you'll be forced to discard one view in favour for the one that is convincing. It's only a matter of time before that happens

It's not a rejection of God at all. Evolution is just a well supported explanation for the diversity of life on Earth and does not attempt to explain how it came about.

And calling evolution dogmatic is abuse of the term. Dogma applies to ideas that people still stubbornly hold steadfast despite lack of evidence and in light of all evidence suggesting otherwise.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

It's not a rejection of God at all. Evolution is just a well supported explanation for the diversity of life on Earth and does not attempt to explain how it came about.

And calling evolution dogmatic is abuse of the term. Dogma applies to ideas that people still stubbornly hold steadfast despite lack of evidence and in light of all evidence suggesting otherwise.

Material mechanisms are credited for accomplishing wonders of creativity that are known to come from only one source according to our experience, notice the claim is in the past not the present ie the mechanisms in question can't be shown to produce the effects the proponents claim it's capable of producing.

It's easier to attribute creativity in the past than it's to show in the present such creativity in action. Let me ask you how do you know after millions of years the process is able to produce the biological novelty we see around us ? You can't observe it nor can you can show such creativity now, so how did you come to the conclusion that after a given period of time it can be able to produce such creativity ? the only logical explanation is that you already believed it to be true before assessing the evidence for it


When explaining the existence of cave paintings why is that the physical composition of the cave isn't credited with producing the cave paintings ?

Since you have stated that the theory is well supported could you give me an example where RM & NS has been shown to create a new species ?


How is it not a rejection when it denies God the right of being the Creator behind everything we see ?

 

[Jujuman]

Material mechanisms are credited for accomplishing wonders of creativity that are known to come from only one source according to our experience, notice the claim is in the past not the present ie the mechanisms in question can't be shown to produce the effects the proponents claim it's capable of producing.

It's easier to attribute creativity in the past than it's to show in the present such creativity in action. Let me ask you how do you know after millions of years the process is able to produce the biological novelty we see around us ? You can't observe it nor can you can show such creativity now, so how did you come to the conclusion that after a given period of time it can be able to produce such creativity ? the only logical explanation is that you already believed it to be true before assessing the evidence for it


When explaining the existence of cave paintings why is that the physical composition of the cave isn't credited with producing the cave paintings ?

Since you have stated that the theory is well supported could you give me an example where RM & NS has been shown to create a new species ?


How is it not a rejection when it denies God the right of being the Creator behind everything we see ?

You're mistaken in your claim that evolution is something that deals in the past because organisms are still evolving today via mutations etc bacteria evolving antibiotic resistance is an example. I will agree with you that most of the research is based on the past but it is easier to make predictions and more importantly derive interpretations of the past than the present and even more so the future.

We as a species are limited by our relatively short lifespans to see significant changes in other species. With respect to evidence there have been many 'intermediate' species including Australopithecus Afarensis, Australopithecus Africanis, Homo Habilis, but especially Orrorin Tugenesis - one of the earliest humans 6Mya who if you saw today you would consider them to be an chimp like human. Fossil evidence will also tell you that you will never find a mammal embedded in a rock sequence dated at the pre-Cambrian as to date this hasn't been demonstrated by anyone because the age of rock strata has consistently correlated with the growing complexity of life forms.

These are evidences that support, not confirm evolution and common ancestry between species the real confirmation comes with the mapping of the human and chimp genome in the past decade or so.

https://www.genome.gov/15515096/200...inds-chimps-humans-very-similar-at-dna-level/

Like I said earlier, don't make this a God issue evolution doesn't claim to argue against a God the most it does it question his mechanism of creation as detailed by religious texts. The hypothesis that attempt to describe how life came to be is abiogenesis - something that's alot less well known and ambiguous than evolution itself.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

You're mistaken in your claim that evolution is something that deals in the past because organisms are still evolving today via mutations etc bacteria evolving antibiotic resistance is an example. I will agree with you that most of the research is based on the past but it is easier to make predictions and more importantly derive interpretations of the past than the present and even more so the future.

We as a species are limited by our relatively short lifespans to see significant changes in other species. With respect to evidence there have been many 'intermediate' species including Australopithecus Afarensis, Australopithecus Africanis, Homo Habilis, but especially Orrorin Tugenesis - one of the earliest humans 6Mya who if you saw today you would consider them to be an chimp like human. Fossil evidence will also tell you that you will never find a mammal embedded in a rock sequence dated at the pre-Cambrian as to date this hasn't been demonstrated by anyone because the age of rock strata has consistently correlated with the growing complexity of life forms.

These are evidences that support, not confirm evolution and common ancestry between species the real confirmation comes with the mapping of the human and chimp genome in the past decade or so.

https://www.genome.gov/15515096/200...inds-chimps-humans-very-similar-at-dna-level/

Like I said earlier, don't make this a God issue evolution doesn't claim to argue against a God the most it does it question his mechanism of creation as detailed by religious texts. The hypothesis that attempt to describe how life came to be is abiogenesis - something that's alot less well known and ambiguous than evolution itself.

You seem not to understand the level of evidential burden that needs to be proven regarding the creative ability of these mechanisms. You can't assume that it's true before you have proven it.


I am questioning the ability of these mechanisms to produce the effects that we see. How did you come to the conclusion that fossil A evolved into fossil B via darwinian mechanisms ? Unless one has observed such mechanisms in action you simply can't ascribe such abilities to the mechanism.
The only reason i can think of why you would do that is due to your "blind faith" in these mechanisms.


The central claim of evolution is to explain how the different species came about via these material processes but what we observe is that there is a biological limit to the changes an organism undergoes which is why no one has ever seen one species transform into another. This a fact that is empirically grounded but according to you guys there's no limit to biological change but you can't prove this.


Evolution is a fact because bacteria have developed antibiotic resistance ? is that it ? the interpretation that you speak of is one that is based on the principles of naturalism as such it's subjective but it's being paraded as the objective truth.

Ciyaarta naga jooji, how is it possible that a theory which claims that the biological novelty that we observe is a result of unguided material mechanisms not in contradiction with the view that God created everything that we see ? isn't questioning what God informed us in His revelation not implying that what is stated in the religious text to be false


What the theory does in essence is to deny God as being the designer by ascribing creative abilities to material mechanisms where everything came into existence by mere chance, accident etc.

 

[darklight]

it is completly natural and understandable that one doesnt believe in evouloution, before they've seen the facts of course. I mean if someone tells you that humans come from apes, and another person tells you that we just come from two magical people sent down from the sky which one do you believe??

You believe the one who can present even one little proof for their claim, not the person that shuts you up and uses a 4000 year old book written by a 7th century arab illiterate man.

When it all comes down, i dont know if evouloution is 100% right, its just a theory after all. But i choose to believe it cause its the most reasonable explenation

 

[bluebird]

When it all comes down, i dont know if evouloution is 100% right, its just a theory after all. But i choose to believe it cause its the most reasonable explenation

You choose to believe it because you are an easily brainwashed fool there's more questions to human evolution than there are answers.

You talk about 2 magical people sent from the sky but you can believe in magical bacteria from the sky that formed itself and slowly became everything you see today

 

[AbdiJew]

 

[Jujuman]

You seem not to understand the level of evidential burden that needs to be proven regarding the creative ability of these mechanisms. You can't assume that it's true before you have proven it.


I am questioning the ability of these mechanisms to produce the effects that we see. How did you come to the conclusion that fossil A evolved into fossil B via darwinian mechanisms ? Unless one has observed such mechanisms in action you simply can't ascribe such abilities to the mechanism.
The only reason i can think of why you would do that is due to your "blind faith" in these mechanisms.


The central claim of evolution is to explain how the different species came about via these material processes but what we observe is that there is a biological limit to the changes an organism undergoes which is why no one has ever seen one species transform into another. This a fact that is empirically grounded but according to you guys there's no limit to biological change but you can't prove this.


Evolution is a fact because bacteria have developed antibiotic resistance ? is that it ? the interpretation that you speak of is one that is based on the principles of naturalism as such it's subjective but it's being paraded as the objective truth.

Ciyaarta naga jooji, how is it possible that a theory which claims that the biological novelty that we observe is a result of unguided material mechanisms not in contradiction with the view that God created everything that we see ? isn't questioning what God informed us in His revelation not implying that what is stated in the religious text to be false


What the theory does in essence is to deny God as being the designer by ascribing creative abilities to material mechanisms where everything came into existence by mere chance, accident etc.

Mechanisms at the genetic scale which are implicated in evolution include the transposons which refer to genes that are able to move/copy themselves from one chromosome to another. Polyploidy is another good example whereby a single or entire set of chromosomes are duplicated in the genome. These mechanisms are examples of evolution which leads to an increase in genetic information as the position of these copied genes/chromosomes means they now perform functions separate to the gene/chromosome they were initially copied from. Other mechanisms which drive evolution include genetic drift, natural selection and gene flow.

You keep demanding but it's quite obvious your demands are insincere and it's not hard to see why. You have accepted a scripture based off pure faith and don't give it nearly enough of the same scrutiny you give evolution. Perhaps what's worse is you have accepted this book as absolute fact which means that you make the implicit suggestion that you'd never be willing to accept anything that would point contrary to your current beliefs. If that is not a suspension of critical thinking than I don't know what is.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Mechanisms at the genetic scale which are implicated in evolution include the transposons which refer to genes that are able to move/copy themselves from one chromosome to another. Polyploidy is another good example whereby a single or entire set of chromosomes are duplicated in the genome. These mechanisms are examples of evolution which leads to an increase in genetic information as the position of these copied genes/chromosomes means they now perform functions separate to the gene/chromosome they were initially copied from. Other mechanisms which drive evolution include genetic drift, natural selection and gene flow.

You keep demanding but it's quite obvious your demands are insincere and it's not hard to see why. You have accepted a scripture based off pure faith and don't give it nearly enough of the same scrutiny you give evolution. Perhaps what's worse is you have accepted this book as absolute fact which means that you make the implicit suggestion that you'd never be willing to accept anything that would point contrary to your current beliefs. If that is not a suspension of critical thinking than I don't know what is.

I am suprised you are arguing with him. We see evolution occur everyday with genetic defects appearing in children today, like more toes or fingers then usual, more heads then usual, other unusual bodily defects. It's clear that evolution checks and corrects itself in the genes of people even till today, plus it's very obvious in this world the rule is 'change' nothing remains the same in this world, from one day to another it's always difference. One day it rains, the next it's sunny, the next it's snowing. Change is a fact of life and evolution is about change at a genetic which obviously translates to the physical level also.

This nut-case things there is no genes probably behind our physical orientation, he probably thinks our internal organs just were dumped in there and didn't grow and change inside thru natural selection or other genetic pressures such as genes being handed down from previous generations or even environmental changes and what alot of people forget is we can change our genetic sequences like add more weight or muscles to our body and our gene now responds to this change. The theme clearly is always change and this nut-case @AdoonkaAlle wants to refuse it. If change can be demonstrated at a micro-level what's to say where it can possibly lead and how far it can go with time applied? as long as you can demonstrate it occurs, the rule of infinity applies and it can never end.

 

[Basra]

People are still having this discussion? Seriously??? Its blasphemous to encourage these debates. Lets not indulge the atheists please.

 

[DR OSMAN]

People are still having this discussion? Seriously??? Its blasphemous to encourage these debates. Lets not indulge the atheists please.

The true atheist is blind following of muslims who do not question their sheikhs becuz they think their perfect, that's true atheist. Its funny how things are backwards in todays world. The people who question things are called atheists and those blindly worship a man and what he says about religion is not. 99% of somalis are atheists, they worship religious men and say those men are god because they never challenge them in anything so this indicates worship alone!!!

My advice to people question everything, everyone in this world even the ones who handed down islam were mere men and just by that reason alone were 'faulty' and not god.

Just know don't let these true atheists muslim ever make u worship another man and what he says about religion. God is separate from these man worshippers and don't let them ruin god for you. They are not god never forget it brothers and yes they could've of misunderstood god so there is no need to dismiss god or put the blame on him for their willful ignorance.

I am 100% certain no1 in our world today knows god at all and I say that with strong conviction cause if they knew god we wouldn't see the horrible observations of the world as it is, if they can't address what is in front of them in their face, i strongly doubt they know anything about what's to come after death, hence no sheikh will ever fool me again. You gonna have to find god yourself but u wont untill u answer the world that is around you not jump to the next question failing their first question.

Stop worshipping men, family, society their not perfect and if u do your not religious but an idol worshipper and to not be an idol worshipper u need to QUESTION THEM cause their not perfect and nor will ever be. If u dont thats up to u keep worshipping men who are clearly not perfect and see where that takes u.

 

[Basra]

Osman

Believers are not blind. They have Quran as proof of Gods existence. We r believers, that means we choose to believe. You have chosen not to believe. If u r familiar with Quran, u will understand, through Quran history there has always been disbelievers like u, but in variation. There are those who disbelieve silently, and dont bother people who believe. And there are Disbelievers like u WHO actively WHO bothers believers and actively try to cause doubts and fitna. Guess which disbeliever is the one going to deep eternal hell fire? At least the silent non arrogant and quite disbeliever has some form of mercy from Allaah swt

 

[DR OSMAN]

Osman

Believers are not blind. They have Quran as proof of Gods existence. We r believers, that means we choose to believe. You have chosen not to believe. If u r familiar with Quran, u will understand, through Quran history there has always been disbelievers like u, but in variation. There are those who disbelieve silently, and dont bother people who believe. And there are Disbelievers like u WHO actively WHO bothers believers and actively try to cause doubts and fitna. Guess which disbeliever is the one going to deep eternal hell fire? At least the silent non arrogant and quite disbeliever has some form of mercy from Allaah swt

The quran doesn't read itself, it's read by a faulty man who isn't perfect and u worship that faulty man, I don't and I refuse too. I will not bow to a man Basra, you can if u want but I refuse to do so. Especially when I see he has no answers for this world, so I will never trust what he says about the next world or his interpretations of the quran as he hasn't got an adequate interpretation of the world we see.

I know you disbelieve silently because you fear to question a man who speaks to u about the Quran because you worship him deep down and if u didn't why aren't u questioning him? Basra I don't fear men, you do. I don't fear my family, you do. Your the one who worships them deep down. I don't cause i know they will be nothing when I am on death bed. The second a human stops questioning, he has begun 'worshipping'. There is no way around that Basra. If your a true believer u will not fear society, faulty men who are not perfect reading the quran, you will not fear you will stand up and say I QUESTION YOU. But you don't and that says you worship them now.

Basra give up your the one worshipping the man, the true disbeliever and I think room agrees with the DOCTOR!!!

 

[Basra]

LOLOsman

you sound like a devil in recruitment mode. ha ha ha ha Go back and read your comments. U will be amazed how hard u work for the devil. LOL


Anyway, Quran has a very important Surah which explicitly says To each his own religion. So Osman u r free to disbelieve. Just dont impeach my belief!

 

[DR OSMAN]

LOLOsman

you sound like a devil in recruitment mode. ha ha ha ha Go back and read your comments. U will be amazed how hard u work for the devil. LOL


Anyway, Quran has a very important Surah which explicitly says To each his own religion. So Osman u r free to disbelieve. Just dont impeach my belief!

I really do think I am the devil if every mad person I am seeing is religious, I surely can't be them that's for sure!!!

 

[Basra]

Osman

i think u r a sweet person who has morals but has also big demons that convince him he is going to hell anyway. Change the way you think, have hope dear.

 

[Kingjames]

LOLOsman

you sound like a devil in recruitment mode. ha ha ha ha Go back and read your comments. U will be amazed how hard u work for the devil. LOL


Anyway, Quran has a very important Surah which explicitly says To each his own religion. So Osman u r free to disbelieve. Just dont impeach my belief!

“Follow me and I will show you the way”

 

[DR OSMAN]

Osman

i think u r a sweet person who has morals but has also big demons that convince him he is going to hell anyway. Change the way you think, have hope dear.

I am very a negative orientated person, I don't expect the best to come, I always prepare for the worst and that's how I have always been, to prepare for the worst scenario. Yes I have a-lot of demons, I won't deny it and I am in a huge battle with them and they always win, I have no victory as of yet in all honesty.