My Solution for Somalia

[jugjugwacwac]

If I was a billionaire I would go to Moscow and have a private meeting with Putin and propose a mutually beneficial arrangement between Russia and Somalia. I'd ask for Russian military help (similar to their role in Syria) to help me pacify the country and to crush all resistance to my rule. Russia would get some concessions and favourable deals from us in return. I would destroy Amisom, al-shabaab, the so called Somali government and armed tribal militias with the help of the Ruskis. Once the country is firmly in my hands I would create a one party nationalist government. Russia would train and arm the Somali military and makes us a force to be reckoned with within a short decade.

The following crimes in Somalia would be punishable by death; Opposition to the new nationalist Somali party (all other parties would be outlawed), treason, corruption/embezzlement by government officials and civil servants, incitement to clan wars, murder and rape (false accusations of rape would also be harshly punished, possibly by a very long prison sentence).

The focus of the nationalist government would be the following areas: quick industrialization and economic development, state-sponsored propaganda to combat clannism and promote ethnic nationalism, provision of quality healthcare and education, revival of Somali culture and language, and the creation of a strict meritocracy where one advances as a result of intelligence, hard work and loyalty to the cause and not because of lacag, family name or clan.

The party would make sure to protect Somalis and Somalia from the following; The evil machinations of Ethiopia and Kenya, predatory multi-national corporations who wish to exploit/enslave Somalis under the guise of investment and job creation, Wahhabism and Arabization of Indigenous Somali Islam and culture, Foreign NGO's and their nefarious agendas, and Jew-inspired destabilizing Western leftism/Marxism (feminism, LGBT, class struggle/revolution).

Our economic policy would be a socialism based on ethnic solidarity, where the Somali government, the Somali businessman (private business and property would be allowed) and the Somali workers would all work together for the common good of the Somali people. It would be a voluntary and fair redistribution of wealth. Not like the evil globalist Socialism that pits people from the same ethnic group against each other along class lines and forcibly confiscates and/or redistributes wealth.

Can someone lend me a billion dollars?

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I knew this was gonna be a tldr thread lol.

 

[The_Cosmos]

A liberal economy that promotes a regulated market with socialist principles is, in my opinion, better than complete socialism. Capitalism isn't terrible, unregulated capitalism is.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

A liberal economy that promotes a regulated market with socialist principles is, in my opinion, better than complete socialism. Capitalism isn't terrible, unregulated capitalism is.

I'm not dogmatic about any economic policy. Any economic system that will not result in disenfranchisement of the workers/common folk, as occurs with pure capitalism, or the disenfranchisement of the industrialists/businessmen/land owners, as occurrs in Marxist socialism, is good with me.

 

[The_Cosmos]

I'm not dogmatic about any economic policy. Any economic system that will not result in disenfranchisement of the workers/common folk, as occurs with pure capitalism, or the disenfranchisement of the industrialists/businessmen/land owners, as occurrs in Marxist socialism, is good with me.

Yeah people tend to get dogmatic and vouch for one or the other. You can have the best of both worlds.

Essentially the economy is regulated to ensure no foul play among corporations and that they're not too large to fail as we've seen in the 2008 global recession. I admire social libertarianism but I think their economic viewpoint has shown that government always needs to be involved and ensure some form of regulation.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I'd pledge allegiance sxb....we definitely need a nationalist gov't & state capitalism.


it must be an equal partnership with ruskies though, we need to always put our country's interests first.

 

[Shamis]

Basically Barre 2.0

 

[Prince Abubu]

I would add a new national script as.well.

 

[Prince Abubu]

A liberal economy that promotes a regulated market with socialist principles is, in my opinion, better than complete socialism. Capitalism isn't terrible, unregulated capitalism is.

This is the best approach. A mixed economy protected from vulture capitalists and multinational corporations. SMEs are the way to go.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Basically Barre 2.0

Barre was a Marxist socialist of the globalist variety and I'm not. He idolized evil men like Lenin and Stalin etc. Though I do think its possible that he didn't care much for the global class struggle and that he was more of a ethno-nationalist. He probably was just pretending to be a Marxist socialist to get Russian backing. His devotion to nationalism over Marxist socialism became apparent when he went to war a with a fellow socialist state, Ethiopia, even though Russia told him not to.

So in a way, yeah I guess I am sort of a barre 2.0 in many ways lol.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I'd pledge allegiance sxb....we definitely need a nationalist gov't & state capitalism.


it must be an equal partnership with ruskies though, we need to always put our country's interests first.

Absolutely sxb, Somalis and Somalia first always.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

This is the best approach. A mixed economy protected from vulture capitalists and multinational corporations. SMEs are the way to go.

I agree. And once Somalia is back on its feet economically we need to provide free education, health care and a good safety net for any somali who needs it. I don't wanna see poor and destitute Somalis while some Somalis become mega-millionaire fat cats living it up, which if the situation we have now. That level of economic disparity within an ethnic group (which is an extended kin group) is morally repugnant in my view.

 

[RedStar]

So you'd be a Russian puppet..

130 years of colonialism and unrest should have taught us that inviting foreigners into our land doesn't solve problems, it only causes more.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Yeah people tend to get dogmatic and vouch for one or the other. You can have the best of both worlds.

Essentially the economy is regulated to ensure no foul play among corporations and that they're not too large to fail as we've seen in the 2008 global recession. I admire social libertarianism but I think their economic viewpoint has shown that government always needs to be involved and ensure some form of regulation.

The reason I called my system socialisism in my first post is because I would go further than just regulating the free market. To create true ethnic nationalism I would want the Somali capitalists to be willing to do their part in making sure all Somalis led a dignified life. This means they would be willing to be taxed considerably, and not begrudgingly, but out of duty and sacrifice for their own kind. In turn Somali workers would be loyal and productive workers for their Somali employers.

We don't have to call it socialism though. It's basically like the scandinivian economic model, but based on ethno-nationalist sentiments and solidarity.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

So you'd be a Russian puppet..

130 years of colonialism and unrest should have taught us that inviting foreigners into our land doesn't solve problems, it only causes more.

Not a puppet state, but understandably we would be under their influence in some ways of course. That's how the world works. If u think youll ever have complete sovereignty without becoming a superpower in ur own right then ur dreaming sxb.

We're doing that whole western backed democratic/elections charade in Somaliland and something resembling it in Somalia, how's that working out for our sovereignty?

I'd rather be a strong and respected country within the sphere of Russian influence than the joke of a country we r now.

 

[The_Cosmos]

The reason I called my system socialisism in my first post is because I would go further than just regulating the free market. To create true ethnic nationalism I would want the Somali capitalists to be willing to do their part in Making sure all Somalis led a dignified life. This means they would be willing to be taxed considerably, and not begrudgingly, but out of duty and sacrifice for their own kind. In turn Somali workers would be loyal and productive workers for their Somali employers.

I think that's too fantastical, it's better to tax them accordingly but not excessively. Those who accept the terms you provide, that's fine but I doubt the majority will. If you mean that rich people should be taxed according to their income, for example someone who earns 10 million being taxed at 50% seems excessive to me but isn't too extreme.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I think that's too fantastical, it's better to tax them accordingly but not excessively. Those who accept the terms you provide, that's fine but I doubt the majority will. If you mean that rich people should be taxed according to their income, for example someone who earns 10 million being taxed at 50% seems excessive to me but isn't too extreme.

I understand, but that's where the whole ethno- nationalism comes in. Sacrifices need to be made for the betterment of the whole and not the individual. The government of course would consult with economists and the capitalist class and come to a reasonable agreement on taxation. It would have to Be a taxation system that is not too high as to be prohibitive of economic activity and investment and not too low as to prevent social security and a safety net for the common Somali.

Sxb we literally have thousands dying of drought all over Somalia as we speak, while our millionaires are partying it up in hotels in Dubai and Nairobi. In my vision all Somalis would have their basic needs covered while making sure I was fair to the industrialists/business class.

 

[merka]

The reason I called my system socialisism in my first post is because I would go further than just regulating the free market. To create true ethnic nationalism I would want the Somali capitalists to be willing to do their part in making sure all Somalis led a dignified life. This means they would be willing to be taxed considerably, and not begrudgingly, but out of duty and sacrifice for their own kind. In turn Somali workers would be loyal and productive workers for their Somali employers.

We don't have to call it socialism though. It's basically like the scandinivian economic model, but based on ethno-nationalist sentiments and solidarity.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

This is basically what Ethiopia is doing by emulating China. Russia is too poor and too far to be interested in such a relationship, it is no longer the superpower it was. Our best bet is a close relationship with China starting with infrastructure contracts and loans for rebuilding. The return on infrastructure in a place like Somalia is gigantic. Imagine if the Chinese built for us a road from Kismayo to Dolo linking to the paved road Ethiopia just completed to Dolo-Bay, Kismayo would have a hinterland of tens of millions instantly. Or a single track of standard gauge from Berbera linking to the already existing Addis-Djibouti line gaining access to even more millions. There are at least 4 such projects that we could take out loans for from the Chinese that would double Somalia's gdp in less than one decade.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Sounds like you want National Socialism.

Sxb, ma in la i xidho baad doonaysaa lol. Waxyaabaha qaar carabka laguma dhufto ee si kale baa loo tilmaamaa.

Somali Nazi, gaaladu way yaabi lahayd lol.