Natufian Ancestry Map

[Juke]

Yemenis get the highest from what I've seen, I find that weird considering Natufians were from the Levant.

It's been postulated by others that maybe the HGs in the Arabian Peninsula were very similar to Natufians

 

[Step a side]

Berbers don't have "vandal" "germanic" or "visigoth" ancestry ...the latter didn't even settle there lol

They clearly have Germanic ancestry. How else did the steppe ancestry reach there?

 

[Juke]

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They clearly have Germanic ancestry. How else did the steppe ancestry reach there?

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[Tewahedo]

They clearly have Germanic ancestry. How else did the steppe ancestry reach there?

They don't have germanic ancestry, steppe ancestry was already present in ancient north african samples which can be attributed to the migration of Bell Beaker, Argaric, and Central Mediterranean populations during the Copper and Bronze Ages.

From the fourth millennium onwards one can begin to see contacts with the Mediterranean islands and with the Iberian peninsula: obsidian from Lipari appears in northern Tunisia, while shell-decorated pottery and, at the beginning of the bronze age, bell beakers similar to Iberian types are found in northern Morocco. In the high Atlas numerous engravings of Iberian daggers and halberds attest that contacts continued throughout the bronze age. [...] Dolmens in northern Tunisia and eastern Algeria recall Maltese prototypes, while late bronze age chamber tombs on Cap Bon have clearly Sicilian origins. [...] The North African tell at the beginning of the second millenium thus presents a picture not very different from the rest of the western Mediterranean: farmers with a strong pastoral element in their economy and fairly elaborate cemeteries.

E. Fentress, The Berbers Manners and customs, 1996, pp. 15-16

 

[Khaem]

Now I know who to avoid for my final solution. Thank you OP

 

[SuperBantuWeyne]

They don't have germanic ancestry, steppe ancestry was already present in ancient north african samples which can be attributed to the migration of Bell Beaker, Argaric, and Central Mediterranean populations during the Copper and Bronze Ages.



E. Fentress, The Berbers Manners and customs, 1996, pp. 15-16

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Although evidence of steppe admixture dates back to several thousands years, they received continuous steppes ancestry since then as shown by the variable amounts of this component found amongst them. The Barbary slave trades contributed to some of it for sure

 

[Tewahedo]

Although evidence of steppe admixture dates back to several thousands years, they received continuous steppes ancestry since then as shown by the variable amounts of this component found amongst them. The Barbary slave trades contributed to some of it for sure

This would not be applicable to the majority of North Africans, but rather to specific minority groups such as the Moriscos. The steppe levels you find today are the same you'll find among IA north africans. Any variations observed are primarily a result of coastal Mediterranean communities receiving a greater influence, as compared to inland populations.

If anything NW Africans received more west african ancestry than recent steppe ancestry in the last 2000 years.

Specific dates differ among publications, covering the mentioned periods and spanning from the ninth (Henn et al. 2012) to the thirteenth, seventeenth, and nineteenth centuries CE (Arauna et al. 2017) depending on the samples studied. Nevertheless, they all agree with a recent slave-trade related admixture that has probably been continuous in the last few centuries. The recent estimation dates of these migrations are also supported by the large amount of variation of the sub-Saharan-like ancestry among the studied samples and the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) evidence, which shows a specific connection between haplogroups present in North Africa and the known trans-Saharan slave routes during the times of the Arab expansion (Harich et al. 2010). The spread of sub-Saharan genetic influence did not always stop in North Africa, as sub-Saharan-like ancestry coming from gene flow with North Africa has been described in European and Middle Eastern populations (Moorjani et al. 2011).

[...] thus corroborating that the sub-Saharan-like genetic component in current North Africans is related to a recent admixture event and discarding main contributions from older trans-Saharan gene flow events.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-022-02503-3

Currently, there is no evidence to suggest that the Barbary slave trade significantly influenced the genetic make up of Northwest Africans. This lack of impact isn't surprising, as the majority of enslaved individuals involved in this trade were male and often redeemed by Christian associations that specialized in rescuing European slaves. That's how these corsairs used to make money and the numbers of white slaves was ridiculously low compared to black slaves.

 

[Step a side]

They don't have germanic ancestry, steppe ancestry was already present in ancient north african samples which can be attributed to the migration of Bell Beaker, Argaric, and Central Mediterranean populations during the Copper and Bronze Ages.



E. Fentress, The Berbers Manners and customs, 1996, pp. 15-16

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Yeh but are they the bellbeakers not the proto Germanic-Italics-Celtic peoples with similar ancestry? I’m sure the Barbary slavery contributed greatly.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Now I know who to avoid for my final solution. Thank you OP

So now you've morphed into a Natufian/Afro-Asiatic Supremacist? I thought you believed in equal opportunity racism for all non-Somalis

 

[Khaem]

So now you've morphed into a Natufian/Afro-Asiatic Supremacist? I thought you believed in equal opportunity racism for all non-Somalis

I believe in racism for all non somalis. Hitler hated anyone who wasn't German but he still avoided those with ayran blood. We can sort some things out with our natufian cousins such as the Arabians and North Africans, potentially get ourselves some allies on the world state which would be very against us when we launch our futuh Al zanj & futuh Al Habesh.

 

[mrsretard]

potentially get ourselves some allies on the world state which would be very against us when we launch our futuh Al zanj & futuh Al Habesh

No Futuh Al Habesh for you, Mein Fuhrer, as they technically have more Natufian than us on the map posted. The slaughter of the backwards Caucasoid Xabesh will have to be postponed.

 

[Khaem]

No Futuh Al Habesh for you, Mein Fuhrer, as they technically have more Natufian than us on the map posted. The slaughter of the backwards Caucasoid Xabesh will have to be postponed.

This is only because they got R@ped by Yemenis and other semites from arabia, who maintained their natufian dna.
These half breed yahuuds must be put in their place one way or another. You never know when them starving midgets might start running down their mountains to our lowlands.

 

[Aurelian]

How come Levant have around 30% ???

 

[Khaem]

How come Levant have around 30% ???

They got xooged by literally every empire in the region. Anatolians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Anglos, French, and everyone between

 

[Tewahedo]

Yeh but are they the bellbeakers not the proto Germanic-Italics-Celtic peoples with similar ancestry? I’m sure the Barbary slavery contributed greatly.

No since this type of ancestry would have logically been mediated by populations who would have been somewhat similar to modern south europeans.

Here to illustrate, Closest populations to Iberian bell beakers are modern iberians like Basque :

And why are you sure that the barbary slave trade contributed greatly if the ancient samples we have are similar to modern north africans ?

Here one example from literally the 3rd millenium BC :

Our Copper Age dataset includes a newly reported male (I4246) from Camino de las Yeseras (14) in central Iberia, radiocarbon dated to 2473–2030 calibrated years BCE, who clusters with modern and ancient North Africans in the PCA (Fig. 1C and fig. S3) and, like ~3000 BCE Moroccans (8), can be well modeled as having ancestry from both Late Pleistocene North Africans (15) and Early Neolithic Europeans (tables S9 and S10). His genome-wide ancestry and uniparental markers (tables S1 and S4) are unique among Copper Age Iberians, including individuals from sites with many analyzed individuals such as Sima del Ángel, and point to a North African origin.

Science | AAAS

science.sciencemag.org

 

[Tewahedo]

How come Levant have around 30% ???

what do you mean ? That's literally where Natufians lived.

 

[Step a side]

No since this type of ancestry would have logically been mediated by populations who would have been somewhat similar to modern south europeans.

Here to illustrate, Closest populations to Iberian bell beakers are modern iberians like Basque :

And why are you sure that the barbary slave trade contributed greatly if the ancient samples we have are similar to modern north africans ?

Here one example from literally the 3rd millenium BC :

Science | AAAS

science.sciencemag.org

I see. Apart from the EEF and Bell beakers who else from Europe contributed to the North Africans?

 

[...j]

Berbers don't have "vandal" "germanic" or "visigoth" ancestry ...the latter didn't even settle there lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandal_Kingdom

 

[Scipio Africanus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandal_Kingdom

The Vandals likely numbered a couple hundred thousand & formed the ruling elite over their North African domain that was populated by millions of Berbers.

The Vandals were a tiny drop in a sea of Berbers. The vast majority of European DNA in Berbers entered North Africa before the advent of civilisation.

Here's a fun fact, the name Al-Andalus derives from the older name "Vandalusia", the Berbers mistakenly thought that Iberia was the homeland of the Vandals who ruled parts of North Africa before Islam. Hence why after the conquest of Hispania, they called the entire peninsula "Andalus" which was the Arabised version of "Vandalusia".

 

[Scipio Africanus]

They got xooged by literally every empire in the region. Anatolians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Anglos, French, and everyone between

They were xooged/cucked long before those Modern populations you listed even existed. If I remember correctly, the first foreign domination came from a group of Caucuses HG Men who brought their J haplogroup to the Levant. They proceeded to largely eliminate competition from Natufian men and took their Natufian women. That’s why the J haplogroup is prevalent amongst most Semites & original E haplogroup being in the minority.