NFD, Ogaden and Hawd is occupied due to stupidity of Somaliland

[waraabe]

maybe this weekend, we'll see

horta what did u do to @Prince of Lasanod ? ur triggered him into a frothing, raving qabilist

He has always been a qabiilest like most of his folk

 

[Gambar]

He has always been a qabiilest like most of his folk

Every damn Somali is qabiilist, magaciis is delusional.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Every damn Somali is qabiilist, magaciis is delusional.

Yeah but this guy @Prince of Lasanod has unhealthy obsession with isaaqs. 80% of his threads are about Somaliland. It's so odd cause you can tell he has alot of hate for a whole group of people over qabil pathetic.

 

[Gambar]

Yeah but this guy @Prince of Lasanod has unhealthy obsession with isaaqs. 80% of his threads are about Somaliland. It's so odd cause you can tell he has alot of hate for a whole group of people over qabil pathetic.

Dhulbahante have a love/hate relationship with Isaaq. He's Dhulbahante so it makes sense.

 

[merka]

Egal didn't want the cursed union, elders forced him!

Egal was betrayed by his own people , cuqubadiisi ayaa inagu dhacday

Also, Minister Garad Ali Garad Jama asked the leaders and chief tribes of Somaliland to remain independent but the crowd roared with famous Somali Proverb "Laa Yaa GARAD" which means NO MR. GARAD even some historians reported that Prime Minister Mohamed Egal was hit by one person with Pepsi Cola bottle on his neck, after Egal asked for delay in unity with Italian Somalia.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

He's a Dhulbahante, why are you surprised? Do you actually think that his people would allow us to be in a country where 55 % were idoor?

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Dhulbahante have a love/hate relationship with Isaaq. He's Dhulbahante so it makes sense.

An idoor camel was once grazing at the bottom of the mountain where they are barred from coming. Nur Xidig, a famous Dhulbahante man, saw them and they started running away. So he throw a spear and killed one of them, confiscated the camels and the other went to tell the story. The Habar Yoonis elders came back and asked him for forgiveness, they gave him 20 camels as payment for what they've done and went back to the top of the mountains.

The relationship of Isaaq and Dhulbahante is one of a slave and his master. Don't compare us. Our wells in Nugaal were built by Oromos and idoors, they were good workers mashallah. When the British came, they were emancipated from slavery after we lost our war against the colonials.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

He's a Dhulbahante, why are you surprised? Do you actually think that his people would allow us to be in a country where 55 % were idoor?

Most Somais waa dad khayaali ku nool, they believe stories and do not look for facts. Most Isaaq politicians in 1960 understood what it meant to join Somalia, they understood that they would lose most of their political power. Dhulbahante and Warsangeli supported union because they would become part of the largest clan in Somalia and would have more political power than everyone else. The Gadabursi supported union to get out from under the political domination of the Isaaq. MJ supported union because it would increase Darod numbers and would give them an edge over Hawiye. Unlike the Isaaq, most Hawiye politicians supported union although they knew they had the most to lose from it. The HDM opposed union because it would increase the number of Maxa Tiri speakers relative to Maay speakers.

Everywhere the people supported union, I am talking about the politicians.
As time went on, Cigaal and the "southerners", i.e Hawiye politicians, cited by @waraabe would go on to unite and create the Irir Samaale political fiction. They lost the most and had the most to gain from rolling the clock back.

"Cui Bono" is the axiom to follow here, and without doubt those who have always pushed for union were Darod, as they were the most to benefit from it. It is so obvious that I literally do not need to cite any sources for it!

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

As time went on, Cigaal and the "southerners", i.e Hawiye politicians, cited by @waraabe would go on to unite and create the Irir Samaale political fiction. They lost the most and had the most to gain from rolling the clock back.

I'm surprised that HSM etc didn't give them recognition. They would have gained from splitting Darood.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

I'm surprised that HSM etc didn't give them recognition. They would have gained from splitting Darood.

He would have if he could, but it would probably not have been allowed by parliament. If Caydiid and Cali Mahdi had not destroyed the Somali state, they would have probably allowed them to hold a referendum on secession. The only reason Somalia remains united is due to the incompetence of Hawiye politicians.



This is also why I support an independent Somaliland. I would sit down and negotiate immediate recognition with the only caveat being Darod lands remaining in Somalia. There is nothing valuable there anyway, they can have ictiraaf tomorrow for all I care. The problem now is that Hawiye may be a little nervous because it would mean Darod making up close to 40% of Somalias population and controlling upwards of 65% of the land.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

He would have if he could, but it would probably not have been allowed by parliament. If Caydiid and Cali Mahdi had not destroyed the Somali state, they would have probably allowed them to hold a referendum on secession. The only reason Somalia remains united is due to the incompetence of Hawiye politicians.



This is also why I support an independent Somaliland. I would sit down and negotiate immediate recognition with the only caveat being Darod lands remaining in Somalia. There is nothing valuable there anyway, they can have ictiraaf tomorrow for all I care. The problem now is that Hawiye may be a little nervous because it would mean Darod making up close to 40% of Somalias population and controlling upwards of 65% of the land.

The border in Sool/Toghdeer is rather clear but it would be difficult to make a border in Sanaag. At least since Ceerigabo is shared between Harti and it's surrounded by Dhulbahante. Development wise, it would be better if Isaaq/ Dir remain part of Somalia at least for me since most of the roads go through my lands.

 

[waraabe]

The border in Sool/Toghdeer is rather clear but it would be difficult to make a border in Sanaag. At least since Ceerigabo between Harti and it's surrounded by Dhulbahante,

loooool ceerigabo isn't shared . stop claiming cities

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

loooool ceerigabo isn't shared . stop claiming cities

Of course it is. Ceerigabo is shared between HJ, Warsangeli, Dhulbahante, HY, Majerteen, Ogaden, Dir and Madhibaan.

 

[Knowthyself]

#ethiopiaHaBurbuurto

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

The border in Sool/Toghdeer is rather clear but it would be difficult to make a border in Sanaag. At least since Ceerigabo is shared between Harti and it's surrounded by Dhulbahante. Development wise, it would be better if Isaaq/ Dir remain part of Somalia at least for me since most of the roads go through my lands.

It will be easy to negotiate a division of Sanaag if the outcome is recognition. I doubt any border drawn between a new Somaliland and Somalia would have any major effect on commerce, most people won't notice anything had changed.

 

[Bohol]

Haud was cheated by the British. As for the Ogaden area they weren't smart enough to ally themselves with the Italians when they
captured Ethiopia or other superpowers.

 

[Gambar]

loooool ceerigabo isn't shared . stop claiming cities

Yes it is.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

It will be easy to negotiate a division of Sanaag if the outcome is recognition. I doubt any border drawn between a new Somaliland and Somalia would have any major effect on commerce, most people won't notice anything had changed.

Interesting, in that case I would not be that opposed to their own state. How do you think the relationship would be between Somaliland and Somalia, and their relationship with Ethiopia? I have a feeling though that they would fail as a nation, solely because the people currently leading them are just as corrupt as those in Xamar, in fact worse.

Though my only condition would be to change that ugly name.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Interesting, in that case I would not be that opposed to their own state. How do you think the relationship would be between Somaliland and Somalia, and their relationship with Ethiopia? I have a feeling though that they would fail as a nation, solely because the people currently leading them are just as corrupt as those in Xamar, in fact worse.

Though my only condition would be to change that ugly name.

The relationship would not be that bad, probably like the relationship with Djibouti. Who knows how they do, but considering the lack of natural resources in Somaliland, I would not want to bet on it. The population pressure on Somalia would be relieved at very little cost.

Another benefit of having a recognized border with a new Somaliland would be that we would be able to ship people south from places like Xudun without worrying about losing that land to encroachment as population declines. The benefits are huge when you think about it.

Somaliland ha noolato!

:siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Lixle]

An idoor camel was once grazing at the bottom of the mountain where they are barred from coming. Nur Xidig, a famous Dhulbahante man, saw them and they started running away. So he throw a spear and killed one of them, confiscated the camels and the other went to tell the story. The Habar Yoonis elders came back and asked him for forgiveness, they gave him 20 camels as payment for what they've done and went back to the top of the mountains.

The relationship of Isaaq and Dhulbahante is one of a slave and his master. Don't compare us. Our wells in Nugaal were built by Oromos and idoors, they were good workers mashallah. When the British came, they were emancipated from slavery after we lost our war against the colonials.

there is no relationship between reer sheekh isaxaaq and qurjiile. pre-colonialism times qurjiile and isaaq had the same relationship they have today.

only difference is today we've taken all the qurjiile lands so we have to watch our mouths and stay patient while the qurjiiles calaacal all over youtube.

real talk waxaad isku xoqeysa dad ku yasa