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Bahal

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Seriously though, Somalia is a huge fucking place. Concentrating all the country's resources in a single city and subsequently pricing out the average citizen in the city or neglecting the millions in other regions is a disastrous policy I'm sure the government doesn't give a shit about if they can even recognize it that is.
 
Seriously though, Somalia is a huge fucking place. Concentrating all the country's resources in a single city and subsequently pricing out the average citizen in the city or neglecting the millions in other regions is a disastrous policy I'm sure the government doesn't give a shit about if they can even recognize it that is.

Somalia is a huge place, but with a population of a little less than ten million, it's sparsely populated.
Texas, which is about the same size as Somalia, has a population of 26 million. And unlike in Texas, most of Somalia's population is nomadic.
Because it's a nomadic, sparsely populated, and relatively impoverished nation, it's no surprise that Somalia's development has traditionally been concentrated in Mogadishu. It just doesn't make sense to go anywhere else from an economic standpoint.
But I agree with you, development should be spread out. Not because it's more economically viable, but because Mogadishu has become a hutu city after the 1991 clan-cleansing. The rest of us will get violently jealous if it gets too developed while we're left behind.
 

Bahal

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Like you said, without the surprisingly vicious qabyaalad from a guy named islamistheanswer, I'm thinking more in terms of an equitable distribution in a fragmented society of clans and subclans all vying for power and resources. At the very least each regional capital should be developed to a certain extent to avoid having people travelling hundreds of kilometers for access to basic services.

It's one of the biggest mistakes MSB made and the relative development of the Northern regions one of the few positives of the civil war imo.
 
Like you said, without the surprisingly vicious qabyaalad from a guy named islamistheanswer, I'm thinking more in terms of an equitable distribution in a fragmented society of clans and subclans all vying for power and resources. At the very least each regional capital should be developed to a certain extent to avoid having people travelling hundreds of kilometers for access to basic services.

It's one of the biggest mistakes MSB made and the relative development of the Northern regions one of the few positives of the civil war imo.

The Northern regions, like the rest of Somalia, have actually seen very little real development in the past 25 years.
Somalis refer to cheap malls and tacky villas as "development" but this is a misuse of the word.
Development means electricity, water and paved roads. No place in Somalia has seen real advancement in these three critical areas—Mogadishu is pitch-black at night, and much of Hargeisa lacks access to clean running water. The roads in both cities are a complete mess. Let's not even mention the other places!

MSB's development policies were reasonable by word standards so he can't be blamed. In Kenya, development is concentrated in Nairobi. In Ethiopia, it's concentrated in Addis Abada. The Chinese, vast and numerous as their cities are, have concentrated their development in the "first tier" cities of Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen. When operating with limited resources, a country has to be selective about where it puts its resources.

Somalia is either going to go back to the Mogadishu-centric model, or there's going to a very slow, incremental development across the country. I get the feeling the hutus are going to try and claim a bigger share of the development, and while Mogadishu deserves development and is well-suited for it, the dirty hutus are not to be trusted with such valuable investments again. I propose moving the capital (and along with it the international development---for safe keeping). If not that, then we should introduce the 4.5 system to all development projects. Every time .5 km of road is built in tribe x's area, then tribes y, z, and so on must get a similar amount of road developed on their land (this would only apply if public funds were used).
 
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Bahal

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I'm tryna like your comments but you aint makin it easy wit the unrepentant qabyaalad

:ohlord:

Nigga even praised MSB

:ohlord:

You're right of course but without something like the incredibly complicated system you propose, large swathes of the country will be left out and unlike China conflict will be almost inevitable.

I just realized my ideas are predicated on a stable Somalia awash with oil money :lol:
 
MSB wasn't all bad.
Had he surrounded himself with people with high technical capacity and unveiled a vision for development, his dictatorial tendencies could have helped Somalia get ahead quickly. As we know, China's development was overseen by the iron-fisted dictatorial rule of the communist party, and Rwanda and Ethiopia have similarly been led to economic development by dictatorial regimes. Liberal democracy is good and is the highest form of governance, but for an ignorant and backwards people, they first need to be socialized and developed under a benevolent dictatorship before they can transition to democracy. Unfortunately, MSB's government devolved from a benevolent dictatorship (that gave us the written word) to a predatory, criminal enterprise after the disastrous war with Ethiopia.

I doubt Somalia today will reach any reasonable level of development unless there is a rapid change in the entire government structure. Everything from the clan-based federal system to the Western-imposed democratic timetables needs to be thrown out the window and a developmental dictatorship of secular technocrats needs to seize power. Unfortunately, this will never actually happen outside my dreams.
 

Grigori Rasputin

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The Northern regions, like the rest of Somalia, have actually seen very little real development in the past 25 years.
Somalis refer to cheap malls and tacky villas as "development" but this is a misuse of the word.
Development means electricity, water and paved roads. No place in Somalia has seen real advancement in these three critical areas—Mogadishu is pitch-black at night, and much of Hargeisa lacks access to clean running water. The roads in both cities are a complete mess. Let's not even mention the other places!

MSB's development policies were reasonable by word standards so he can't be blamed. In Kenya, development is concentrated in Nairobi. In Ethiopia, it's concentrated in Addis Abada. The Chinese, vast and numerous as their cities are, have concentrated their development in the "first tier" cities of Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen. When operating with limited resources, a country has to be selective about where it puts its resources.

Somalia is either going to go back to the Mogadishu-centric model, or there's going to a very slow, incremental development across the country. I get the feeling the hutus are going to try and claim a bigger share of the development, and while Mogadishu deserves development and is well-suited for it, the dirty hutus are not to be trusted with such valuable investments again. I propose moving the capital (and along with it the international development---for safe keeping). If not that, then we should introduce the 4.5 system to all development projects. Every time .5 km of road is built in tribe x's area, then tribes y, z, and so on must get a similar amount of road developed on their land (this would only apply if public funds were used).

I agree with you on the mists of the word development by naming some Mediocre mall and multi-gay flag looking villas.

Real development is when cities are connected by sophisticated road system. When continues running water can reach cities and towns. When there are state of the art Medicaid equipments and a doctor for every 300 people. When schools are internationally accredited. When infant mortality is reduced just 50%.
 
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