Hi,
I stumbled upon this forum while trying to trace my ancestry & found a thread where you helped a Nilotic girl out, so I figured I'd give it a shot.
A little background:
I'm a Nilote from Western Kenya that has many times been mistaken for a Horner (Somali/Ethiopian) due to my non-Nilotic appearance (lighter skin) and above average height. At first I didn't pay it any mind but when several East Africans kept telling me that I look Rwandan, I eventually got fed up & took a DNA test to prove them wrong.
The results were shocking. I assumed I'd at least have around 40% Nilotic ancestry seeing that everyone in my family are slim and tall, but I couldn't have expected this:
Results (Living DNA):
• Y-DNA: E-V32 CTS5738/Z817 (Nubian?)
• mtDNA: L0A2b (Mbuti Pygmy)
Autosomal DNA:
East Africa 78%
-----------------------------
Luhya 46.4%
Kenya Bantu 18.4%
Giriama 6.1%
Anuak-South Sudanese 2.7%
Dinka-Nuer-Shilluk 2.2%
West Africa 20.4%
-----------------------------
Cameroon bantu 7.5%
Yoruba 4.2%
Mende 3.2%
Semi-Bantu 2.1%
Bamum 1.7%
Benin 1.6%
South and Central Africa
-----------------------------
Southwestern bantu 2.2%
Southeastern bantu 1.6%
When I uploaded the same results to GED match, the Nilotic component increased to 17.36%.
Ethiohelix K10 + Africa only
Nilo-Saharan - 17.36%
East-Africa2 - 0%
Mbuti-Pygmy - 0.64%
East_Africa1 - 6.23%
Khoi-San- 0%
West_Africa - 52.16%
Hadza - 3.15%
Biaka-Pygmy: 9.87%
North-Africa: 2.3%
Omotic: 8.3%
When I instead used Palestinian as a proxy, the West African component split into Eastern Bantu (34.54%) and West African (19.95%) while Mbuti pygmy slightly increased (+1.36%). Khoisan now also appeared (1.08%).
Ethiohelix K10 + Palestinian:
Nilo-Saharan17.07%
East-Africa16.65%
Mbuti-Pygmy2.02%
Eastern-Bantu34.54%
Khoi-San1.08%
West-Africa19.95%
Hadza3.79%
Biaka-Pygmy8.81%
Palestinian2.25%
Omotic3.84%
PuntDNA African only:
Nilo_Saharan15.71%
Ubangian_Congo3.29%
W_Benue_Congo33.85%
Eastern_HG3.49%
E_Benue_Congo38.13%
Omotic1.74%
Southern_HG-
Western_Semitic3.8%
PuntDNA K15:
S_Indian-
Mediterranean 0.12%
Siberian-
Wht_Nile_River 24.7%
Amerindian-
S_African 3.42%
E_Asian-
Caucasian 0.73%
NE_European 0.11%
Omo_River 1.11%
W_African 64.65%
Horn_Of_Africa 4.98%
Oceanian
Beringian0.16%
SW_Asian-
The Luo of Kenya are known to cluster with their bantu neighbour (Luhya) due to 500 years of intermarriage, so my first thought was that I might be an assimilated bantu. However, my clan borders with the Kalenjin (Nilotes) so I'm doubtful.
I also don't cluster with the Luhya samples I found on yfull.com, they all seem to be derived from a more recent Somali/Ethiopian ancestor (EZ813 formed 5300 YBP/TMRCA 4300 YBP).
www.yfull.com
My haplotype is 2000 years older, it clusters with E-CTS2294 which is the parent of EZ813. It was formed 7000 YBP /TMRCA 5300 YBP.
www.yfull.com
CTS5995/Z818 which is found within E-CTS2994 matches a gravesite in Kulubnarti Nubia. This made me posit whether my ancestor could in fact have assimilated into the Luo and migrated with them to Kenya. Autosomal makeup can change by up to 75% within 2 generations of intermarriage so it's not entirely impossible (or maybe I'm reaching).
Northern Nilotes & Darfurians have been known to carry e1b1b at relatively high rates.
Y-DNA haplogroups (Hassan, 2008):
Dinka (Nilotic):
62% A (Nilotic), 23% B (Nilotic), 15% E1b1b (Cushitic).
Shilluk Luo (Nilotic):
53.3% A (Nilotic), 26.7% B (Nilotic), 20% E1b1b (Cushitic).
Nuer (Nilotic):
33.3% A (Nilotic), 50% B (Nilotic), 16.7% E1b1b (Cushitic).
Fur (Nilo-Saharan):
31.3% A (Nilotic), 3.1% B (Nilotic), 59.4% E1b1b (Cushitic
Nuba:
46.4% A (Nilotic), 14.3% B (Nilotic), 39.3% E1b1b (Cushitic).
Masalit (Nilo-Saharan):
71.9% E1b1b of which 73.9% bear V32, 18.8% A3b2 (Nilotic), 3.1% B (Nilotic/pygmy),.
mtDNA: L0a1 (14.6%) and L1c (12.2%) are most frequent.
Ballemi (2018) found e1b1b to be the most common haplogroup (32%) in a sample of 50 Nuers in Gambella, Ethiopia (see attachment) & I found a Dinka with E-V32 on Tiktok (see attachment).
I guess I'm trying to come to terms with the fact that I carry this much bantu ancestry. I've always been proud of my Nilotic roots so this is very disappointing.
I stumbled upon this forum while trying to trace my ancestry & found a thread where you helped a Nilotic girl out, so I figured I'd give it a shot.
A little background:
I'm a Nilote from Western Kenya that has many times been mistaken for a Horner (Somali/Ethiopian) due to my non-Nilotic appearance (lighter skin) and above average height. At first I didn't pay it any mind but when several East Africans kept telling me that I look Rwandan, I eventually got fed up & took a DNA test to prove them wrong.
The results were shocking. I assumed I'd at least have around 40% Nilotic ancestry seeing that everyone in my family are slim and tall, but I couldn't have expected this:
Results (Living DNA):
• Y-DNA: E-V32 CTS5738/Z817 (Nubian?)
• mtDNA: L0A2b (Mbuti Pygmy)
Autosomal DNA:
East Africa 78%
-----------------------------
Luhya 46.4%
Kenya Bantu 18.4%
Giriama 6.1%
Anuak-South Sudanese 2.7%
Dinka-Nuer-Shilluk 2.2%
West Africa 20.4%
-----------------------------
Cameroon bantu 7.5%
Yoruba 4.2%
Mende 3.2%
Semi-Bantu 2.1%
Bamum 1.7%
Benin 1.6%
South and Central Africa
-----------------------------
Southwestern bantu 2.2%
Southeastern bantu 1.6%
When I uploaded the same results to GED match, the Nilotic component increased to 17.36%.
Ethiohelix K10 + Africa only
Nilo-Saharan - 17.36%
East-Africa2 - 0%
Mbuti-Pygmy - 0.64%
East_Africa1 - 6.23%
Khoi-San- 0%
West_Africa - 52.16%
Hadza - 3.15%
Biaka-Pygmy: 9.87%
North-Africa: 2.3%
Omotic: 8.3%
When I instead used Palestinian as a proxy, the West African component split into Eastern Bantu (34.54%) and West African (19.95%) while Mbuti pygmy slightly increased (+1.36%). Khoisan now also appeared (1.08%).
Ethiohelix K10 + Palestinian:
Nilo-Saharan17.07%
East-Africa16.65%
Mbuti-Pygmy2.02%
Eastern-Bantu34.54%
Khoi-San1.08%
West-Africa19.95%
Hadza3.79%
Biaka-Pygmy8.81%
Palestinian2.25%
Omotic3.84%
PuntDNA African only:
Nilo_Saharan15.71%
Ubangian_Congo3.29%
W_Benue_Congo33.85%
Eastern_HG3.49%
E_Benue_Congo38.13%
Omotic1.74%
Southern_HG-
Western_Semitic3.8%
PuntDNA K15:
S_Indian-
Mediterranean 0.12%
Siberian-
Wht_Nile_River 24.7%
Amerindian-
S_African 3.42%
E_Asian-
Caucasian 0.73%
NE_European 0.11%
Omo_River 1.11%
W_African 64.65%
Horn_Of_Africa 4.98%
Oceanian
Beringian0.16%
SW_Asian-
The Luo of Kenya are known to cluster with their bantu neighbour (Luhya) due to 500 years of intermarriage, so my first thought was that I might be an assimilated bantu. However, my clan borders with the Kalenjin (Nilotes) so I'm doubtful.
I also don't cluster with the Luhya samples I found on yfull.com, they all seem to be derived from a more recent Somali/Ethiopian ancestor (EZ813 formed 5300 YBP/TMRCA 4300 YBP).
E-Z813 YTree
My haplotype is 2000 years older, it clusters with E-CTS2294 which is the parent of EZ813. It was formed 7000 YBP /TMRCA 5300 YBP.
E-CTS2294 YTree
CTS5995/Z818 which is found within E-CTS2994 matches a gravesite in Kulubnarti Nubia. This made me posit whether my ancestor could in fact have assimilated into the Luo and migrated with them to Kenya. Autosomal makeup can change by up to 75% within 2 generations of intermarriage so it's not entirely impossible (or maybe I'm reaching).
Northern Nilotes & Darfurians have been known to carry e1b1b at relatively high rates.
Y-DNA haplogroups (Hassan, 2008):
Dinka (Nilotic):
62% A (Nilotic), 23% B (Nilotic), 15% E1b1b (Cushitic).
Shilluk Luo (Nilotic):
53.3% A (Nilotic), 26.7% B (Nilotic), 20% E1b1b (Cushitic).
Nuer (Nilotic):
33.3% A (Nilotic), 50% B (Nilotic), 16.7% E1b1b (Cushitic).
Fur (Nilo-Saharan):
31.3% A (Nilotic), 3.1% B (Nilotic), 59.4% E1b1b (Cushitic
Nuba:
46.4% A (Nilotic), 14.3% B (Nilotic), 39.3% E1b1b (Cushitic).
Masalit (Nilo-Saharan):
71.9% E1b1b of which 73.9% bear V32, 18.8% A3b2 (Nilotic), 3.1% B (Nilotic/pygmy),.
mtDNA: L0a1 (14.6%) and L1c (12.2%) are most frequent.
Ballemi (2018) found e1b1b to be the most common haplogroup (32%) in a sample of 50 Nuers in Gambella, Ethiopia (see attachment) & I found a Dinka with E-V32 on Tiktok (see attachment).
I guess I'm trying to come to terms with the fact that I carry this much bantu ancestry. I've always been proud of my Nilotic roots so this is very disappointing.
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