Nimrod the Cushite from Kish (Sumer, present-day Iraq)

[Libaaxseendheer]

Mainstream theory:

Ham in the Bible refers to Canaanites who were Levantines, not Africans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_(son_of_Noah)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(son_of_Ham)

Moreover, Noah's flood was local, not involving Africa nor Africans, and took place here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_flood_narrative

A global flood as described in this myth is inconsistent with the physical findings of geology and paleontology.[3][4] A branch of creationism known as flood geology is a pseudoscientific attempt to argue that such a global flood actually occurred.[5]

Libaaxseendheer's interpretation:

Ham the black son of noah said to be so because of a curse. Nimrod was son of Cush son of Ham.
The Nabateans were the Hamites son of Cush who founded Babylon and ruled the Iraq region for centuries.

The name Nimrod is from an Afroasiatic word meaning leopard, panther or tiger. He is “called a mighty hunter that goeth before a lord,” both for literal and cosmological reasons. It is the name for several tribes in Arabia the most celebrated of which was the Central Arabian tribe of Namir ibn Cassit in the Nejd or Central Arabia. As we have explained previously the Muslim writers use the name Nimrod "son of Cush", or Numayr/Namir ibn Cassit or Nimrod to describe the tribe that went into Babylon a few thousands of years ago, or “in the time of Abraham” founding Akkad , Uruk and Kish and other places in “the plain of Sena'ar”.
Numayr ibn Kassit or Casit is in other words a historically documented northern Arabian tribe, which was closely related to or issued from the people called Rabi'a (Rabee'ah) and Wa'il comprised of the Dawasir related tribes of Taghlib bin Wa'il, Bakr bin Wa'il and Anaeza bin Wa'il all children of Cassit (Boullata, 2003, p. 249

“Among the children of Canaan are the Nabit, Nabit signifies 'black'...” Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah in Mukhtasar al-Ajaib, circa 10th-11th century (cited in Goldenberg, David M., The Curse of Canaan 2009, p. 352 rn. 23).

“The Nimrods were the kings of the Syrians, whom the Arabs call Nabathaeans. The Nabataeans founded the city of Babylon...The inhabitants of Ninevah were those we call Nabeet or Syrians.” Al Mas'udi of Baghdad 10th century

Hamite history stretches far and wide so rejoice and boast.

 

[CaliTedesse]

I don't understand

 

[Tukraq]

I don't understand

It’s some Old Testament gibberish

 

[CaliTedesse]

Does that old tribe still exist ?

 

[Yaquub]

He's made out to be the boogeyman because we were the mightiest back in those days and ruled over all mankind. There were only few kings that did so and he was one of them. I don't associate with his kufr but he was a revered and mighty king the first one after the flood and built babylon while the rest of mankind lived in deserts and caves.

His Rule is derogated by jews because cushite history and kingship superseded theirs.

 

[Tukraq]

Does that old tribe still exist ?

The Old Testament is a collection of stories Written over a thousand year period to try and explain the Jewish struggle, mostly a book of myth and no historical merit, it’s not certain if any of the tribes actually existed but probably not, basically written thousands of years after this character was supposedly alive how would they know about him?

 

[CaliTedesse]

The Old Testament is a collection of stories Written over a thousand year period to try and explain the Jewish struggle, mostly a book of myth and no historical merit, it’s not certain if any of the tribes actually existed but probably not, basically written thousands of years after this character was supposedly alive how would they know about him?

Are you a agnost or atheist?

 

[Tukraq]

Are you a agnost or atheist?

Muslim

 

[CaliTedesse]

Muslim

Please dont say old testament is a myth then we don't know for certain.

 

[Tukraq]

Please dont say old testament is a myth then we don't know for certain.

Yes we do, both the old and New Testament are separate books from the Torah and injeel given to Issa and musa, unlike the Quran these texts were written after the deaths of these people by unknown people and were defiantly not divinely guided, if you look into the Old Testament the first 5 books are supposed to be written by Moses however it talks in depth about his death so it obviously has a different author also the time periods it was written prove this, the actual Torah of muss doesn’t exist anymore and wasn’t preserved by allah which is why the next messenger comes, the New Testament is obviously not the injeel sent by allah to Jesus, it was written hundreds of years later and not by the disciples but in their name anyways ie the gospel of mark for example wasn’t written by mark but a person a hundred years after the scene who put it in his name, the real injeel no longer exists and wasn’t preserved

 

[4head]

we wuz Nimrod! My ancestor

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

He's made out to be the boogeyman because we were the mightiest back in those days and ruled over all mankind. There were only few kings that did so and he was one of them. I don't associate with his kufr but he was a revered and mighty king the first one after the flood and built babylon while the rest of mankind lived in deserts and caves.

His Rule is derogated by jews because cushite history and kingship superseded theirs.

Any progress on that nimrod photoshop job?

 

[Yaquub]

Any progress on that nimrod photoshop job?

Nope.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

I don't understand

Black hamites ruled your beloved semites in many parts of mesopotamia and arabia

 

[YourBroMoe]

I don't believe in this nonsense.

A flood that COVERS THE ENTIRE PLANET occurs.

A man BUILDS an arc, and puts in EVERY FUCKING ANIMAL.

The flood that AGAIN, COVERED THE WHOLE BLOODY PLANET subsides, and this ONE man, ends up having 3 sons, and they populate the planet again. JUST THE THREE OF THEM.

Then one of them, the great-grandson of Noah, named Nimrod, becomes a world conqueror.

Great-grandson... Time the f*ck out.
No other humans, but Noah, his three sons, their sons, Nimrod included. Of course daughters.
WHERE THE f*ck DID THE POPULATION OF THIS CIVILIZATION COME FROM?!?

 

[Suldaanka]

I don't believe in this nonsense.

A flood that COVERS THE ENTIRE PLANET occurs.

A man BUILDS an arc, and puts in EVERY FUCKING ANIMAL.

The flood that AGAIN, COVERED THE WHOLE BLOODY PLANET subsides, and this ONE man, ends up having 3 sons, and they populate the planet again. JUST THE THREE OF THEM.

Then one of them, the great-grandson of Noah, named Nimrod, becomes a world conqueror.

Great-grandson... Time the f*ck out.
No other humans, but Noah, his three sons, their sons, Nimrod included. Of course daughters.
WHERE THE f*ck DID THE POPULATION OF THIS CIVILIZATION COME FROM?!?

Did you forget that Noah Lived for 1000yrs

 

[YourBroMoe]

Did you forget that Noah Lived for 1000yrs

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

I don't believe in this nonsense.

A flood that COVERS THE ENTIRE PLANET occurs.

A man BUILDS an arc, and puts in EVERY FUCKING ANIMAL.

The flood that AGAIN, COVERED THE WHOLE BLOODY PLANET subsides, and this ONE man, ends up having 3 sons, and they populate the planet again. JUST THE THREE OF THEM.

Then one of them, the great-grandson of Noah, named Nimrod, becomes a world conqueror.

Great-grandson... Time the f*ck out.
No other humans, but Noah, his three sons, their sons, Nimrod included. Of course daughters.
WHERE THE f*ck DID THE POPULATION OF THIS CIVILIZATION COME FROM?!?

Kkk. The flood was a regional event that effected arabia and the bordering nations. Ham shem and japhet are not the fathers of all mankind. Hamites and semites were semitic speaking peoples that were very tribalistic. Hamites are the solymi,knaanites haweitah, nabateans .semites were the jews and arabs. The bible mainly talks abouts hammites and semites. Moses slays the cananites and takes their land during the state forming years of the banu israel . The other son japhet is hardly mentioned. Once christianity/judaism/islam spread, alot of nations who did not record their tribes and lineages adopted Noah as their patriarch. The flood and the subsequent bible stories and tribes and nations are without adoubt set in arabia/middleast.

 

[Tukraq]

I don't believe in this nonsense.

A flood that COVERS THE ENTIRE PLANET occurs.

A man BUILDS an arc, and puts in EVERY FUCKING ANIMAL.

The flood that AGAIN, COVERED THE WHOLE BLOODY PLANET subsides, and this ONE man, ends up having 3 sons, and they populate the planet again. JUST THE THREE OF THEM.

Then one of them, the great-grandson of Noah, named Nimrod, becomes a world conqueror.

Great-grandson... Time the f*ck out.
No other humans, but Noah, his three sons, their sons, Nimrod included. Of course daughters.
WHERE THE f*ck DID THE POPULATION OF THIS CIVILIZATION COME FROM?!?

Islam implies a localized flood
These guys are taking the Old Testament for word tho with this nimrod thing the Same book that said Noah was raped by his son and was last added to in the year 100 ad so after the death of Jesus how would someone born after Jesus wrighting the old testemant undivinely guided by own admission(they don’t think messiah has came yet) know about Noah from several thousands of years prior
That’s why you take the Quran over this problematic bible

We sent Nuh to his people and he remained among them for fifty short of a thousand years; yet the Flood engulfed them while they were wrongdoers. (Qur'an, 29:14)

We sent Nuh to his people: "I am a clear warner to you. Worship none but Allah. I fear for you the punishment of a painful day." (Qur'an, 11:25-26)

But they denied him so We rescued him and those with him in the Ark. And We drowned the people who denied Our Signs. They were a blind people. (Qur'an, 7:64)

So We rescued him and those with him by mercy from Us, and We cut off the last remnant of those who denied Our Signs and were not believers. (Qur'an, 7:72)

So We opened the gates of heaven with torrential water and made the earth burst forth with gushing springs. And the waters met together in a way which was decreed. We bore him on a planked and well-caulked ship. (Qur'an, 54:11-13)

We revealed to him: "Build the Ship under Our supervision and as We reveal. When Our command comes and water bubbles up from the earth, load into it a pair of every species, and your family-except for those among them against whom the word has already gone ahead. And do not address Me concerning those who do wrong. They shall be drowned." (Qur'an, 23:27)

It was said, "Earth, swallow up your water!" and, "Heaven, hold back your rain!" And the water subsided and the affair was concluded and the Ark came to land on al-Judi. And it was said, "Away with the people of the wrongdoers!" (Qur'an, 11:44)

As we can conclude from the verses, the flood was local because it talks about his people and the boat was built to take refuge of every species from that location and flood was localized in Quran nothing to indicate it was universal. You can't just quote 2 verses and make conclusion, you have to quote every single verse in relation to noah and the flood and if you read all of it in context then it indicates a local flood, and it never mentions every single humans from the world but those who denied his signs. That’s why we can’t associate or take from the odiously wrong and contradictory bible both in the Old Testament written by several authors( who sometimes disagree within said bible) over a thousand year period while the Quran is a book by one author one voice canonized in the course of one life time and has been unchanged ever.

 

[Tukraq]

Islam implies a localized flood
These guys are taking the Old Testament for word tho with this nimrod thing the Same book that said Noah was raped by his son and was last added to in the year 100 ad so after the death of Jesus how would someone born after Jesus wrighting the old testemant undivinely guided by own admission(they don’t think messiah has came yet) know about Noah from several thousands of years prior
That’s why you take the Quran over this problematic bible

We sent Nuh to his people and he remained among them for fifty short of a thousand years; yet the Flood engulfed them while they were wrongdoers. (Qur'an, 29:14)

We sent Nuh to his people: "I am a clear warner to you. Worship none but Allah. I fear for you the punishment of a painful day." (Qur'an, 11:25-26)

But they denied him so We rescued him and those with him in the Ark. And We drowned the people who denied Our Signs. They were a blind people. (Qur'an, 7:64)

So We rescued him and those with him by mercy from Us, and We cut off the last remnant of those who denied Our Signs and were not believers. (Qur'an, 7:72)

So We opened the gates of heaven with torrential water and made the earth burst forth with gushing springs. And the waters met together in a way which was decreed. We bore him on a planked and well-caulked ship. (Qur'an, 54:11-13)

We revealed to him: "Build the Ship under Our supervision and as We reveal. When Our command comes and water bubbles up from the earth, load into it a pair of every species, and your family-except for those among them against whom the word has already gone ahead. And do not address Me concerning those who do wrong. They shall be drowned." (Qur'an, 23:27)

It was said, "Earth, swallow up your water!" and, "Heaven, hold back your rain!" And the water subsided and the affair was concluded and the Ark came to land on al-Judi. And it was said, "Away with the people of the wrongdoers!" (Qur'an, 11:44)

As we can conclude from the verses, the flood was local because it talks about his people and the boat was built to take refuge of every species from that location and flood was localized in Quran nothing to indicate it was universal. You can't just quote 2 verses and make conclusion, you have to quote every single verse in relation to noah and the flood and if you read all of it in context then it indicates a local flood, and it never mentions every single humans from the world but those who denied his signs. That’s why we can’t associate or take from the odiously wrong and contradictory bible both in the Old Testament written by several authors( who sometimes disagree within said bible) over a thousand year period while the Quran is a book by one author one voice canonized in the course of one life time and has been unchanged ever.

Also the Quran unlike the Bible doesn’t mention these inaccuracies like time period for example which is why Christian and Jews derive the incorrect notion that the earth is a certain amount of years old, it also doesn’t mention these sons, they possibly did not exist in Islam other than the one who got flooded while in judeochristian books they go into detail( fabrications) and talk about how they think Abraham got so drunk that he was raped by his son, which is beilived by bible scholars that not only did it not happen or this son probably not exist but it was written thousands of years later to justify a genocide,
In Islam we don’t believe in these stories of children not mention in the Quran for Noah or lut or other wicked story’s and fabrications in the Bible