Actually many of bible stories are supported and also published by many classical islamic hostorians tabari in tarikh alrusul wal miluk. Dhababi, mas'udi, suyuudi, and basically every other ancient islamic historians. The ruling is that if those biblical athar dont contradict hadith and quran, like prescribing horrendous defilement of character to prophets such Lud, Noah etc than its okay to take such athar.
Nimrod the Cushite from Kish (Sumer, present-day Iraq)
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Tukraq
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Not really when bible all contradicts the Quran because it isn’t the Torah or injeel given to musa and Issa at all, its been proven to be a collection compiled over a thousand years by several authors most unknown, if that were the case if I make a fake story today that doesn’t contradict the Quran and Hadith can it be taken also?
Samaalic Era
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No one knows how many sons Nuh pbuh had nor their names. They lived in prehistoric era before their was any civilisation. Also the biblical stories which are full of lies were written long after Musa and Isa. The injeel of Isa pbuh was not written down and was taught orally and none of his disciples could read or write. The New Testemant is a pile of lies
They are mostly East African/Cushitic ancestrally. So yes we are related. Besides, theyre just an example. Thousands of groups descend from these three guys.were not Abyssiniansthey came from South Yemen and we have no relation
James Dahl
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The biblical characters that are the sons and grandsons of Nuh are allegorical representations of whole nations, not individuals. Cush is Kish, a city in Iraq and represents the Sumerian nation, who's first dynasty is the Kish dynasty. Nimrod is Enmerkar who was the founder of the Uruk dynasty, the successor dynasty to the Kish dynasty. As the Bible is allegorical this is portrayed as a son.
Enmerkar founded Uruk as Nimrod does, The ancient story "Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta" is the original version of the Tower of Babel story, of which the Biblical version is a distorted and much shortened account.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enmerkar_and_the_Lord_of_Aratta
Enmerkar founded Uruk as Nimrod does, The ancient story "Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta" is the original version of the Tower of Babel story, of which the Biblical version is a distorted and much shortened account.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enmerkar_and_the_Lord_of_Aratta
"The Bible" means "the books" or a library.
The Jewish Bible, or Tanach, has 24 books.
The Protestant Bible has 66 books.
The Catholic Bible has 73 books.
The Ethiopic Bible has 81 books.
The Protestant version was written in three languages, on three continents by about 40 authors over a period of about 2000 years. Plus, it has been variously translated many, many times.
In all of them, it is Noah and not Abraham that plants a vineyard and gets drunk. In the standard text he is not raped, but his nakedness is uncovered by Ham and maybe Canaan, as it is Canaan that is cursed.
https://www.gotquestions.org/curse-Ham-Canaan.html
Also in the standaard text, Shem and Japheth walk backwards with a shawl to cover him and not see their father's nakedness. They are not cursed.
http://www.theblogmire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Noahs-Drunkenness.jpg
https://www.biblestudytools.com/genesis/passage/?q=genesis+9:20-25
Genesis 9:20-25
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20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard.
21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.
22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside.
23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.
24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him,
25 he said, “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.”
The Jewish Bible, or Tanach, has 24 books.
The Protestant Bible has 66 books.
The Catholic Bible has 73 books.
The Ethiopic Bible has 81 books.
The Protestant version was written in three languages, on three continents by about 40 authors over a period of about 2000 years. Plus, it has been variously translated many, many times.
In all of them, it is Noah and not Abraham that plants a vineyard and gets drunk. In the standard text he is not raped, but his nakedness is uncovered by Ham and maybe Canaan, as it is Canaan that is cursed.
https://www.gotquestions.org/curse-Ham-Canaan.html
Also in the standaard text, Shem and Japheth walk backwards with a shawl to cover him and not see their father's nakedness. They are not cursed.
http://www.theblogmire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Noahs-Drunkenness.jpg
https://www.biblestudytools.com/genesis/passage/?q=genesis+9:20-25
Genesis 9:20-25
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20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard.
21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.
22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside.
23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.
24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him,
25 he said, “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.”
Apollo
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Ham / Hamite in the Bible refers to Semitic Levantines (Canaan), not Africans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Origins
In the past, some people claimed that the "curse of Ham" was a biblical justification for imposing slavery or racism upon black people, although this concept is essentially an ideologically driven misconception.[34] Regarding this matter, the Christian leader Martin Luther King Jr. called such an attempt "a blasphemy" that "is against everything that the Christian religion stands for."[35]
Libaaxseendheer stop with the fake history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Origins
In the past, some people claimed that the "curse of Ham" was a biblical justification for imposing slavery or racism upon black people, although this concept is essentially an ideologically driven misconception.[34] Regarding this matter, the Christian leader Martin Luther King Jr. called such an attempt "a blasphemy" that "is against everything that the Christian religion stands for."[35]
Libaaxseendheer stop with the fake history.
"And We saved him and his family from the great affliction
And We made his descendants those remaining [on the earth]"
Surah As-Saffat (77-78)
Do some research sxb. The flood being local makes no difference when Quran says we descend from Nuh (AS) offspring.
Some oral accounts of the Dir clan incorporated Cush, Ham and Noah into their lineage.
Abibakar (Dir)
Cabdiraxman (Irir)
Ismaaciil (Aji)
Cusmaan (Soomali)
Jibriil (Waarid)
Xassan (Lugaam)
Xuseen (Dalmar)
Harruun (Kamaal)
Ismaaciil (Kooshin/Kush)
Ridwaan (Xaam)
Nuux (Noah)
Axmad
Cuqayl
Abu Talib
Its crazy because the old Cushitic lineage was incorporated into the fake redundant Haeshemite lineage created in the early 1900's.
Abibakar (Dir)
Cabdiraxman (Irir)
Ismaaciil (Aji)
Cusmaan (Soomali)
Jibriil (Waarid)
Xassan (Lugaam)
Xuseen (Dalmar)
Harruun (Kamaal)
Ismaaciil (Kooshin/Kush)
Ridwaan (Xaam)
Nuux (Noah)
Axmad
Cuqayl
Abu Talib
Its crazy because the old Cushitic lineage was incorporated into the fake redundant Haeshemite lineage created in the early 1900's.
Tukraq
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Kulaha bible, if you believe in this mumbojumbo I don’t know what to tell you, it’s as credible as me wringing a story on what I believed happened 1000 years ago because that’s what it basically is
I was just using it as a historical reference sxb. Its not deep
Tukraq
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It’s a historically non factual book and has been proven as such
don’t try to draw our history from it
Samaalic Era
QurboExit
No Somali ever knew who Ham or Cush were until about 30 years ago and is a made up lineage.
Samaalic Era
QurboExit
This Lineage makes no sense. How can Nuh pbuh be before Abu Talib? Also Aji is the Son of Irir, not Son of Samaale
It's fake obviously...
However the point is that Dir recognised Cush as their ancestor and Somalis still name their children Kooshin (Cush) till this very day.
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