No Xishood having Xalimo holds a burping contest with her racially ambiguous ajnabi boyfriend

[sigmund]

Walaal I personally would not engage in interracial marriage.

But calling a Muslim woman a hoe and calling for honor killing is not only sick, but haraam as well.

Why talk about perserving Somali culture when many hypocritically go against Somali and islamic morals?

We even have guys here implying that its okay for a father to kill his daughter just so they can further their agenda.

The bottom line is its not haraam if parents agree. Just deal with it.

I'm sure some of our men on this forum don't legit mean it and if they do they don't necessarily mean murdering but rather to control somali women with some form of method such as sneding them back to Somalia for those who misbehave. They are saying that out of anger and dont really believe in the killing part. And I know is not haram if somali parents agree with this interracial union but they also shoudlnt be naive and give their daughter to random foreigners it gets to show how weak they are and not care for our somali ancestors who fought to were we are now and give their daughter blood to a non somali and dilute and end our race? it may not go against islam but is isn't acceptable in our community and way of life

 

[Gooney112]

Walaal I personally would not engage in interracial marriage.

But calling a Muslim woman a hoe and calling for honor killing is not only sick, but haraam as well.

Why talk about perserving Somali culture when many hypocritically go against Somali and islamic morals?

We even have guys here implying that its okay for a father to kill his daughter just so they can further their agenda.

The bottom line is its not haraam if parents agree. Just deal with it.

Saying a guy is ex con and just became a muslim.....is that a reason for a father to reject a marriage? Or is it as long as you say shahada you are good to go?

 

[Abdalla]

Not paying diya has nothing to do with the permissability of Murder you moron

Loooool @Karim @Shaolin23 @nine @Saalax Bidaar Look at this

 

[HalimaJ]

Loooool @Karim @Shaolin23 @nine @Saalax Bidaar Look at this

Answer:
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.


Islam does not give permission to any individual to kill a family or clan member based on his belief that the victim brought dishonour upon the family, clan, or community. Only the Islamic Court can carry out the punishments (hudood) set out by the Shariah. (See: Shaami 6/104, Darul Ma’rifa)


If someone’s family member does an act contrary to the teachings of Islam, then it is his responsibility to amicably stop the person from violating the injunctions of the Shariah and to advise him/her.

A person who accuses another of committing adultery and cannot bring four witnesses who clearly saw the act taking place, is guilty of falsely accusing someone of adultery, the punishment for which is being flogged with eighty stripes. (This punishment, too, is to be carried out by the Court).

Allah, the Exalted, says:

Flog those who accuse any of the chaste women (of committing adultery), but fail to backup (their charges) with four eyewitnesses — flog them with eighty lashes, and thereafter do not accept their testimony ever again. Surely, they are the wicked ones. (Quran 24:4)

According to Islam, the punishment for wrongfully killing someone is very severe:

If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever). And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him. (Quran 4:93)

In short, honour killing is not permitted according to Islam. Encyclopaedia Britannica has correctly stated:

“Such “honour killings” are in fact violations of both civil and Islamic law, but perpetrators frequently use religious reasons to defend their actions, thereby giving the crime a veneer of justification.”https://islamqa.org/hanafi/mufti-online/21589#_edn1

And Allah knows best.

 

[HalimaJ]

Saying a guy is ex con and just became a muslim.....is that a reason for a father to reject a marriage? Or is it as long as you say shahada you are good to go?

Look why would any self respecting father be okay with his daughter to marry an ex con? Such a father has every right to stop her.

But murder, honor killing ect is not allowed. Many on this forum are absolutley deranged.

 

[Marquis]

@HalimaJ has only been around a couple of days and has already made quite the impact on here

 

[HalimaJ]

I'm sure some of our men on this forum don't legit mean it and if they do they don't necessarily mean murdering but rather to control somali women with some form of method such as sneding them back to Somalia for those who misbehave. They are saying that out of anger and dont really believe in the killing part. And I know is not haram if somali parents agree with this interracial union but they also shoudlnt be naive and give their daughter to random foreigners it gets to show how weak they are and not care for our somali ancestors who fought to were we are now and give their daughter blood to a non somali and dilute and end our race? it may not go against islam but is isn't acceptable in our community and way of life

Sister love yourself.
They clearly think violence and murder against women is okay. We have a moron here that tried to justify honor killing despite that being a grave sin.

Furthermore, i respect your stance, but many of the guys here really couldn't careless about perserving somali genes because if they did they would be concerned about Somali men marrying out. Its about control and many of them have the Eliott Rodger syndrome.

 

[Abdalla]

HalimaJohnson, tell me about your relative that married out. You said her father approved. I bet he said no first but she kept nagging him. Be honest, was that the case?

Answer:
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.


Islam does not give permission to any individual to kill a family or clan member based on his belief that the victim brought dishonour upon the family, clan, or community. Only the Islamic Court can carry out the punishments (hudood) set out by the Shariah. (See: Shaami 6/104, Darul Ma’rifa)


If someone’s family member does an act contrary to the teachings of Islam, then it is his responsibility to amicably stop the person from violating the injunctions of the Shariah and to advise him/her.

A person who accuses another of committing adultery and cannot bring four witnesses who clearly saw the act taking place, is guilty of falsely accusing someone of adultery, the punishment for which is being flogged with eighty stripes. (This punishment, too, is to be carried out by the Court).

Allah, the Exalted, says:

Flog those who accuse any of the chaste women (of committing adultery), but fail to backup (their charges) with four eyewitnesses — flog them with eighty lashes, and thereafter do not accept their testimony ever again. Surely, they are the wicked ones. (Quran 24:4)

According to Islam, the punishment for wrongfully killing someone is very severe:

If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever). And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him. (Quran 4:93)

In short, honour killing is not permitted according to Islam. Encyclopaedia Britannica has correctly stated:

“Such “honour killings” are in fact violations of both civil and Islamic law, but perpetrators frequently use religious reasons to defend their actions, thereby giving the crime a veneer of justification.”

And Allah knows best.

You seem to quote general fatwas and aayaat. I am showing you the special place a father holds. If we kill, we pay diya. If a father kills his children, he's free to go. If he seems something grave enough to kill for, it is within his right.

 

[Abdalla]

@HalimaJ has only been around a couple of days and has already made quite the impact on here

Reminds me of a poor man's version of @Knowles

 

[sigmund]

Sister love yourself.
They clearly think violence and murder against women is okay. We have a moron here that tried to justify honor killing despite that being a grave sin.

Furthermore, i respect your stance, but many of the guys here really couldn't careless about perserving somali genes because if they did they would be concerned about Somali men marrying out. Its about control and many of them have the Eliott Rodger syndrome.

well of they do genuinely believe in honour killing then i don't agree with them. I'm personally against interracial marriage both men and women. But the difference when somali women marry out is that their children will not be considered somali at all not to mention will look like their ajanabi father. Why would you want to dilute your race and end it completely and most likely those offspring will not marry a somali it doesn't make sense

 

[HalimaJ]

HalimaJohnson, tell me about your relative that married out. You said her father approved. I bet he said no first but she kept nagging him. Be honest, was that the case?



You seem to quote general fatwas and aayaat. I am showing you the special place a father holds. If we kill, we pay diya. If a father kills his children, he's free to go. If he seems something grave enough to kill for, it is within his right.

Oh mr enlighted scholar, what YOU think is not what islam is based on. You have no proof based on your own twisted words.

Show us proof that a father can kill his children?

 

[Karim]

Loooool @Karim @Shaolin23 @nine @Saalax Bidaar Look at this

According to most variations of Sharia, neither Qisas nor Ta3zir applies if a Muslim parent or grandparent kills their child. Actually three out of the four main Sharia Schools like The Hanafi, Shafi'i and Hanbali Sunni sharias have ruled that Qisas does not apply... Even the Shia's agree with that.

That's why most of the scholars suggest that the dispute should be handled privately. Honor killings are possible cause your family won't ask Qisas or Diya from you... The closest relative will just forgive and forget since the victim brought the punishment to herself.

I've seen honor killings with my own eyes and the relatives are OK with it since the victim brought shame to their house hold.
@HalimaJ

 

[Gooney112]

Look why would any self respecting father be okay with his daughter to marry an ex con? Such a father has every right to stop her.

But murder, honor killing ect is not allowed. Many on this forum are absolutley deranged.

No one sane support honour killing. People do say things to get reaction. But somalis dont do honour killing. I know a girl who married a white guy who accepted in islam on name only. Just say you are muslim....funny thing is after 2 kids he decides marriage aint for him and left her

 

[Abdalla]

Oh mr enlighted scholar, what YOU think is not what islam is based on. You have no proof based on your own twisted words.

Show us proof that a father can kill his children?

Hadeeth

A father is not killed due to his child.” [al-Tirmidh, Ibn Majah]

Do not twist our religion for your fetish. I just said that a father does not face any retaliation for killing his children. Then you come here and ask me about whether or not he will enter jannah or hell as if I know the unseen.

Will you please have redemption and stop bending the religion for your desires.

 

[Karim]

Hadeeth

A father is not killed due to his child.” [al-Tirmidh, Ibn Majah]

Do not twist our religion for your fetish. I just said that a father does not face any retaliation for killing his children. Then you come here and ask me about whether or not he will enter jannah or hell as if I know the unseen.

Will you please have redemption and stop bending the religion for your desires.

She's a witch!!! She doesn't even understand one word of Arabic and she dare act like a Mufti.

 

[HalimaJ]

Hadeeth

A father is not killed due to his child.” [al-Tirmidh, Ibn Majah]

Do not twist our religion for your fetish. I just said that a father does not face any retaliation for killing his children. Then you come here and ask me about whether or not he will enter jannah or hell as if I know the unseen.

Will you please have redemption and stop bending the religion for your desires.

Just because a father will not be killed or punished in the dunya for murdering his child does not mean he will not be punished in the hereafter.

A muslim killing a fellow Muslim is haraam.Honor killings are not acceptable. Stop bending the deen to justify your degeneracy.

Again you cannot make the haraam halal.

 

[Nilotufian]

A full blown timo jilaac you know dating Pakis when there are Xamar cad cads about

 

[Karim]

Just because a father will not be killed or punished in the dunya for murdering his child does not mean he will not be punished in the hereafter.

A muslim killing a fellow Muslim is haraam.Honor killings are not acceptable. Stop bending the deen to justify your degeneracy.

Again you cannot make the haraam halal.

He literally gave you an authentic Hadeeth 2 minutes ago and you're still denying the facts. Stop wasting our precious time you ignorant fool.

 

[HalimaJ]

She's a witch!!! She doesn't even understand one word of Arabic and she dare act like a Mufti.

Since when did i act like a Mufti when i have provided scholarly opinion when you expect people to take your word for it that honor killing is okay. Between the two of us it's you that is acting like a scholar/mufti.

I listen and take knowlege from those that have more knowlegde than you or I.

 

[HalimaJ]

He literally gave you an authentic Hadeeth 2 minutes ago and you're still denying the facts. Stop wasting our precious time you ignorant fool.

That hadith has nothing to do the permissability of murder you illiterate fool.

You are both implying that murdering your offspring is halal and that there is no sin.

Secondly you are not knowlegable enough to use hadiths to make rulings without scholarly notes on the matter.