Northern Somalia (Somaliland region, Sanaag, Awdal state etc) MPs in Somalia government

[BenInHer]

Your so called "sultanate" predates your clan ancestor.

Darod's lineage is our sultants lineage and vice versa..

We have been known as warsangelis long before darood stepped foot in somalia..

 

[Farm]

The density maps @Bohol and @Abdurahman_somali are showing are from 1975 before migration to Puntland after the civil war it’s not reliable at all. The Jeegaan abdurahman also said Puntland will be exposed in 1 man 1 vote when it is the only state against 4.5 in Somalia. That’s illogical.

They also can never explain why PL dominated during the democratic era of Somalia and why they were completely irrelevant.

 

[Bohol]

The density maps @Bohol and @Abdurahman_somali are showing are from 1975 before migration to Puntland after the civil war it’s not reliable at all. The Jeegaan abdurahman also said Puntland will be exposed in 1 man 1 vote when it is the only state against 4.5 in Somalia. That’s illogical.

It is actually from 2012.


https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/...795784383-somalia_2012_population_density.jpg

 

[repo]

Abdirahman is from the same subclan as me. How can he be a"Jeegan" I thought"Jeegan" means Habar Jeclo iyo Habar Awal political class aka kulmiye party..........

He’s still Jeegaan but the lowest of them.

 

[Younes Osman]

He’s still Jeegaan but the lowest of them.

I'm surprised people used that term even though they are not native of SL

 

[Fiidmeer]

Darod's lineage is our sultants lineage and vice versa..

We have been known as warsangelis long before darood stepped foot in somalia..

 

[repo]

It is actually from 2012.


https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/...795784383-somalia_2012_population_density.jpg

The data is from 1975 and the scan was done in 2009 based on that data. It might have been uploaded in 2012 but you can read it at the bottom of the map.

 

[Bohol]

The data is from 1975 and the scan was done in 2009 based on that data. It might have been uploaded in 2012 but you can read it at the bottom of the map.

It doesn't say anything about when the map was taken but the fact a census was taken in 1975 (which was concealed and wasn't fully published by the Siad Bare government as it exposed a lot of home truths).

 

[Younes Osman]

It doesn't say anything about when the map was taken but the fact a census was taken in 1975 (which was concealed and wasn't fully published by the Siad Bare government as it exposed a lot of home truths).

after all, he was a Darod qablist supremacist. It's not a suprise, im just saying.

 

[fox]

It doesn't say anything about when the map was taken but the fact a census was taken in 1975 (which was concealed and wasn't fully published by the Siad Bare government as it exposed a lot of home truths).

Give me a hug brother; let me embrace you

 

[towerheist]

@HMuuse your folks are punching above their weight in Somalia Gov. Cisse got many seats due to Ismail Omar Guelleh.



Garhajis = 10 seats

Gadabursi = 9 seats

Cisse = 8 seats

Dhulbahante = 8 seats

Habar Awal = 6 seats

Habar Jeclo = 6 seats

Arap = 5 seats

Warsangeli = 5 seats

Ciise-Habar Abgaal

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

The "sultanate" becomes ridiculous when you find out that Ismail Ibn Jabarti(Darod's father) died in 1404. Somehow the Warsan "sultanate" predated Darod by 2 centuries.

Saaxib I only considered the possibility of a potential Tuna sultanate with basic mathematics, which I showed to be impossible. As for the history part you are correct that this is not even possible with the Darood Ismaciil myth. Furthermore the only source about this Sultanate is Folklore and a Wikipedia page.

They also can never explain why PL dominated during the democratic era of Somalia and why they were completely irrelevant.

You did not dominate the democratic Era based on your numbers, but because SYL was a common Samaale party shared by Darood and Hawiye against the big bad wolf Raxanweyn. Here is the Scholar Lewis explaining the political atmosphere in the south:

" In my previous article I showed how clan parties such as the Hawiye Party have been formed to promote traditional lineage values. Even those parties which on a basis of their ideals I classified as nationalist (e.g. the S.Y.L.) still utilize lineage values in the new political field. In the total membership of the Somali Youth League the Daarood are dominant and when the majority of the remainder, who are Hawiye, are included the party clearly represents 'Samaale' (or northern nomadic) interests as opposed to 'Sab' (or southern cultivating).2 This is the basis of the intense rivalry between the S.Y.L. and the Hizbia Digil-Mirifleh. In canvassing for votes in the I956 elections to the Assembly full use was made of agnatic support and the S.Y.L. were not behindhand in calling upon their agnates.[......]

........But the majority of the Rahanweyn and Digil support their own party, and the traditional rivalry between the noble northern nomads (the ' Samaale') and the southern cultivators (the ' Sab ') continues in the hostility of the Hizbia Digil-Mirifleh to the S.Y.L. Examples of this feud have already been given2 but a few more may not be out of place"


In fact in the same academical paper Lewis shows how the real populations of the clans was:

" In I956 the proportions by clan and ethnic group in the government service of Somalia were estimated at: Daarood, 35%; Hawiye 28%; Digil and Rahanweyn 15%; Reer Baraawa, 5%; Reer H1amar, 5%; and others including Arabs, 12%. The percentages in the total population of Daarood, Hawiye, and Digil Mirifleh, are compared with these in the following table. The greater recruitment of Daarood and Hawiye is largely due to more people from these clan-families having sought employment. There are more unemployed nomads in search of work than unemployed cultivators."


Title: Modern Political Movements in Somaliland. II
Author(s): I. M. Lewis
Source: Africa: Journal of the International African Institute, Vol. 28, No. 4 (Oct., 1958), pp. 344-363
Published by: Cambridge University Press on behalf of the International African Institute

Now tell us why did Puntland not have one election in 20 years ?

He’s still Jeegaan but the lowest of them.

Even for ******** standards this was very emotional. Imagine getting so personal, I must have really hurt you son.

 

[Karim]

What I LOVE about Isaks is they pick and choose which map or which data suites their little fairytales. They reject the only available recent United Nations census data of 2014 because it exposed their LANGAAAB status.

According to the 2014 UNFPA report, Isaaqs are 1.7 to 2.1 Million MAXIMUM. Hiding that shameful number by posting doctored pictures from the 18th century won't be enough to unshackle you from your current designation: A FUCKING LAANGAAAB.

One of their members brazenly admitted the impossibility of them sniffing the presidency or prime ministership.

Even if that's the case those 60 mps don't represent the people of SL because SL broke away almost 30 years ago. Personally, I don't see the benefit of Issaqs / sl reunifying with Somalia because at the end of the day you will be dominated by Southern politicians and an issaq will certainly never become a president. Therefore, Issaqs will be politically limited,.

They wholeheartedly understand that they would be isolated just like they were sidelined back in the days

 

[shum33]

Your so called "sultanate" predates your clan ancestor.

its a fake,i heard one of them went into wikipedia edited the site to make it seem the sultanate was ancient,but its as new and the jarerten one

 

[shum33]

What I LOVE about Isaks is they pick and choose which map or which data suites their little fairytales. They reject the only available recent United Nations census data of 2014 because it exposed their LANGAAAB status.

According to the 2014 UNFPA report, Isaaqs are 1.7 to 2.1 Million MAXIMUM. Hiding that shameful number by posting doctored pictures from the 18th century won't be enough to unshackle you from your current designation: A FUCKING LAANGAAAB.

One of their members brazenly admitted the impossibility of them sniffing the presidency or prime ministership.




They wholeheartedly understand that they would be isolated just like they were sidelined back in the days

sideline back in the days?!!! how many isaaqs mp and minster and government offcials were in the kacaan era's government,don't talk out your ass *****,we were the most educated somalis in the land,we civilized a bunch of barbarians
***** are langaab including the ones in ethiopia,your barbaric mind that only thinks in qabil can not comprehend what population density means
you are FCKING LANGAAB in somalia and everywhere else

you had the same numbers as Madowweyn

 

[Ayubi]

sideline back in the days?!!! how many isaaqs mp and minster and government offcials were in the kacaan era's government,don't talk out your ass Do0far,we were the most educated somalis in the land,we civilized a bunch of barbarians
do0fars are langaab including the ones in ethiopia,your barbaric mind that only thinks in qabil can not comprehend what population density means
you are FCKING LANGAAB in somalia and everywhere else

you had the same numbers as Madowweyn

Woah dude, relax and chill with the clan insults. Did @Karim trigger you and made you cry?

Anyways, back to the topic. It's a well known fact that the Darood tribe has the largest population with the largest land. We may not be the largest within Somalia but we are the largest within Somaliweyn and the largest Somali tribe. Even if we are "langaabs" as you call it, it would be an honour because that means we are the most influential clan despite our small population. Don't you think you're giving us too much credit? why would a "langaab" live in your head rent free? why would you be so obsessed with a "langaab" clan? You made claims, Post the evidence or links for your claims, not some random picture.

This source includes Ethiopia and NFD.

Somalia has one major ethnic group, one language, and one religion. The existence of six major clans — Daarood (35 percent of the population), Hawiye (23 percent), Isaaq (23 percent), Digil and Rahanwayan (11 percent of the population) and the Dir (7 percent of the population).

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/33/006.html

Anyways, all I have to say is be civilised if you are serious about an intellectual conversation. Cure your tribal hatred, it's not good for one's mental health. Lastly, tribalism is barbaric, uncivilised and haram. We are all Muslims and Somalis at the end of the day. We share the same faith, culture, language, ethnicity etc. Somalis have more in common with each other then what divides us. Instead of emphasizing on what unites on, sadly, we emphasise on what divides us. We should emphasize on what unites us especially since we have more in common then what divides us.

Jubair ibn Mut’im reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

لَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ دَعَا إِلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ وَلَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ قَاتَلَ عَلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ وَلَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ مَاتَ عَلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ

He is not one of us who calls to tribalism. He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism. He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism.

Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 5121, Grade: Hasan

the Prophet said:

إِنَّ أَعْظَمَ النَّاسِ جُرْمًا إِنْسَانٌ شَاعِرٌ يَهْجُو الْقَبِيلَةَ مِنْ أَسْرِهَا

Verily, the greatest criminal among people is a poet who disparages the entire tribe.

Source: al-Adab al-Mufrad 870, Grade: Sahih

https://abuaminaelias.com/the-ignorance-of-tribalism-and-racism-in-islam/

 

[Issa waraabe]

Cisse is a large clan (600k or more) but they are not many in Somalia. They got those seats due to Ismail Omar Guelleh having a hand in forming 4.5 in the past (Arta conference).

600k still in somali is quiet impressive , a lot of mamasans moved to dire dawa, shinile, and djibouti from lugaya and saylac