Old Erdogan: You can’t be both a Secularist and a Muslim

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[Deleted L]

So what changed him!

The hard life of politics. It’s not easy being in his shoes if you have millions of people to govern, any wrong move can lead to a civil war or a coup against him. Also his country is involved in risky geopolitics and are surrounded by many enemies.

 

[Basra]

Yes u can be a secularist and a Muslim. Who says you can't?

 

[Boogie]

Yes u can be a secularist and a Muslim. Who says you can't?

 

[Basra]

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For me the definition of a Secularist is applied in political realm. It is the belief that Poilitcs should be free of any religion.


A Muslim is a person who practices Islam.


Therefore, you can be a Muslim who practices his or her religion privately without making it public or political

 

[Abu Hesi]

For me the definition of a Secularist is applied in political realm. It is the belief that Poilitcs should be free of any religion.


A Muslim is a person who practices Islam.


Therefore, you can be a Muslim who practices his or her religion privately without making it public or political

Islam is not for the Masjids, it's a way of life.

 

[Basra]

Islam is not for the Masjids, it's a way of life.

Yes its a way of life, but do Muslims follow it? Nope. One of the principal tenants of Islam way of life is the tolerance of everybody. Yes, i said tolerance. Meaning, Lakuum dhiiniyaa kum waliiyaaa diin.


Somalis follow that? Nope. Oh look-- there is a Yuhud. I can tell by his or her nose.


Or OMG this white people gaalo this and that.


Also Islam encourages the keeping of a promise or a contract,


When u came to the "gaalo" land, you swore to God when u were becoming a citizen, to uphold the laws of the land.


By being disrespectful to the citizens of this country, u have violated that contract

 

[Abu Hesi]

Yes its a way of life, but do Muslims follow it? Nope. One of the principal tenants of Islam way of life is the tolerance of everybody. Yes, i said tolerance. Meaning, Lakuum dhiiniyaa kum waliiyaaa diin.


Somalis follow that? Nope. Oh look-- there is a Yuhud. I can tell by his or her nose.


Or OMG this white people gaalo this and that.


Also Islam encourages the keeping of a promise or a contract,


When u came to the "gaalo" land, you swore to God when u were becoming a citizen, to uphold the laws of the land.


By being disrespectful to the citizens of this country, u have violated that contract

lol, I get what you saying. I am not trying to bring Sharia Law to U.S. I was just pointing out that you can't separate religion from state.

 

[Revolutionary]

Yes its a way of life, but do Muslims follow it? Nope. One of the principal tenants of Islam way of life is the tolerance of everybody. Yes, i said tolerance. Meaning, Lakuum dhiiniyaa kum waliiyaaa diin.


Somalis follow that? Nope. Oh look-- there is a Yuhud. I can tell by his or her nose.


Or OMG this white people gaalo this and that.


Also Islam encourages the keeping of a promise or a contract,


When u came to the "gaalo" land, you swore to God when u were becoming a citizen, to uphold the laws of the land.


By being disrespectful to the citizens of this country, u have violated that contract

Just because some Muslims may not follow Islam properly doesn't mean all dont, we shouldn't restrict political islam because some people do not follow it properly, what matters more is that those in power follow it, those not in power can be taught

Anti jewish rhetoric in the muslim world is political not religious, notice most of it happened after the establishment of the state of israel seen by muslims as land grabbing, and on top of that the treatment of palestinians was and still is very harsh, both sides participated in back and forths but israel has been the agressor in their borders

As for tolerance it has its limits, and we have guidelines for the treatment of non muslims in an islamic state and for "omg white people gaalo this or that" that has nothing to do with islam and is just plain gossiping

 

[Basra]

Just because some Muslims may not follow Islam properly doesn't mean all dont, we shouldn't restrict political islam because some people do not follow it properly, what matters more is that those in power follow it, those not in power can be taught

Anti jewish rhetoric in the muslim world is political not religious, notice most of it happened after the establishment of the state of israel seen by muslims as land grabbing, and on top of that the treatment of palestinians was and still is very harsh, both sides participated in back and forths but israel has been the agressor in their borders

As for tolerance it has its limits, and we have guidelines for the treatment of non muslims in an islamic state and for "omg white people gaalo this or that" that has nothing to do with islam and is just plain gossiping

@Revolutionary I am not going to go into theological debate with you. First u need to balaaq & develop sperms huuno.

 

[Juliet]

I am both, it works well for me

 

[Giftxo]

What is Turkey then lol Ataturk is going crazy in his grave

 

[Giftxo]

I am both, it works well for me

Idk WHY you got downvoted lmao

 

[Juliet]

Idk WHY you got downvoted lmao

Somalis tend to be overly religious fanatics. What has it done for them so far, besides running to the gaal countries they hate so much and begging them for shelter lmao if they want Sharia over secular they can gtfo the west and go to Saudi or something

 

[Giftxo]

Somalis tend to be overly religious fanatics. What has it done for them so far, besides running to the gaal countries they hate so much and begging them for shelter lmao if they want Sharia over secular they can gtfo the west and go to Saudi or something

Wow you’re on point tbh: I never get that either. I can give a pass to young kids or people who are living with their fam in the west- but if you hate the rules here so much then why do you live in a secular country lmao- it doesn’t make sense at all

 

[MuslimManMe]

For me the definition of a Secularist is applied in political realm. It is the belief that Poilitcs should be free of any religion.


A Muslim is a person who practices Islam.


Therefore, you can be a Muslim who practices his or her religion privately without making it public or political

Basra you are making a lot of sense the last thtre days.

Is it close to the full moon?

 

[Boogie]

Wow you’re on point tbh: I never get that either. I can give a pass to young kids or people who are living with their fam in the west- but if you hate the rules here so much then why do you live in a secular country lmao- it doesn’t make sense at all

How is the US secular

 

[Alluring]

How is the US secular

Religion is separate from the government...

 

[Boogie]

Religion is separate from the government...

 

[Giftxo]

How is the US secular

I said the west: the US is just a question mark for everyone tbh. A great example would be Europe, specifically norther Europe