Oromos are diluted Somalis

[Apollo]

No us Somalis have always been
Mixing with eachother anyone
Else is inferior.

We did a form of eugenics Before
it was a thing. That's why we are
A pure undiluted beautiful race!

We have to improve our IQ levels. What do you think of sterilizing low IQ ethnic Somalis?

 

[The Cushitic One]

We have to improve our IQ levels. What do you think of sterilizing low IQ ethnic Somalis?

I personally think Somalis are
Very intelligent ppl.

Especially the hustlers back home.

Why sterilise when they can be
Used as foot soldiers back home?

We will just
Ship them back and enlist them

 

[Prince Abubu]

Differences are minimal.

Only thing I have seen is that Amharas have more outliers, 'fake' Amharas so to speak. But the core cluster of Amharas are identical to Tigrays.

One thing confuses me. Is the writer also saying Somalis possess this Coptic ancestry, and the what differentiates us from Highlanders is the recent Arabian admixture and Ari (Omotic) ancestry? Or is he saying Somalis lack all ancestral links with other Cushites/Highlanders except the 'Somali-like' component?

 

[Apollo]

One thing confuses me. Is the writer also saying Somalis possess this Coptic ancestry, and the what differentiates us from Highlanders is the recent Arabian admixture and Ari (Omotic) ancestry? Or is he saying Somalis lack all ancestral links with other Cushites/Highlanders except the 'Somali-like' component?

Copt/Ancient Egyptian component part II that arrived in Northwest Ethiopia/Eritrea after Somalis left it. He links it to mtDNA U6 and W/X I think.

 

[Apollo]

Why Tag me with a Bacon Scientist ?

Cuz the two of you are the most interested here in the paleo-history of the Horn.

 

[Grant]

There is a common misconception out there that Oromos are the 'ancestors' of Somalis and somehow more pure, but genetic data shows that Oromos are in fact diluted Somalis and can be assigned as a combination of 70-75% Somali, 20-25% prehistoric Omotic, and 0-5% Arabian.

@MARAQ DIGAAG @Grant

http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2017/08/some-interesting-nmonte-models-for.html

East Somalis are the purest Cushites.

Amun,

The Oromo and Somali are both largely Cushitic, both largely E1b1b. This means that they share ancestry, not that one came from one or the other. And please note that the author is dealing with modern populations. At Namoratunga, about 300 BC, both the Oromo and Proto-Sam were just Southeastern Cushites. They were the same people. Both have acquired admixtures since then, and some mixing.

If there is a "pure" Somali haplotype, is it E1b1b? What about T and J? Are they even Cushitic? Should we be talking about Somalis or Samaales? This only gets more confusing unless you start making deeper distinctions.

Oromos are NOT dilute Somalis.

 

[Sophisticate]

non-inbred ones who don't have that goofy look. Pure Somalis have the best hair and best faces of the Horn. Ethiopians got crap hair and square blockheads.

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[MARAQ DIGAAG]

Cuz the two of you are the most interested here in the paleo-history of the Horn.

But I don't put Fufu or Bacon on my suugo .

That said , Grant has responded to you , thus Let the debate commence !

 

[Xaagi-Cagmadigtee]

The killer is the analysis/research is of modern times. That pretty much sums up its credibility or lack there of. I want a study done before the advent of modern mass migration.

 

[anonimo]

The killer is the analysis/research is of modern times. That pretty much sums up its credibility or lack there of. I want a study done before the advent of modern mass migration.

My sentiments exactly.

Tis a science in its infancy.

 

[yuusufdiin]

It depends which group. Amharahs are more cushitic and omotic than a group like the tigranyas who are heavily semetic.

arent amharas omotic+sabaean hybrids

 

[XoosBoos]

arent amharas omotic+sabaean hybrids

Sabaen and Agaw (Cushitic highlanders) but they have southern habeshas who are omotic influened. So the reason why Amxaras look different to Tigre muslims.

 

[Menelik III]

If early Eurasian farmers migration into the Horn is true than highland cushtic are thus the original cushites. The southern highlands cushites would thus form after some time after the north was heavily populated. These southern highland cushites would eventually split off from one another forcing some ie Somalis/Oromos into the barren desert/lowlands as their movement into arid lands predates the arrival of camels. Meaning that it might have been forced migration.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Differences are minimal.

Only thing I have seen is that Amharas have more outliers, 'fake' Amharas so to speak. But the core cluster of Amharas are identical to Tigrays.

Not necessarily fake. Amharas have more contact with Omotics and Nilo Saharans than Tigrays. Benishangul-Gumuz borders Amhara. The lack of any Omotic admixture in Somalis is making me think that back migration route into the horn was probably along the red sea coast, with a subsequent dispersal into the highlands that were then populated by Mota like huntergatherers.

Somalis not having any Omotic admixture makes the Lake Chamo origin story less believable.

 

[Apollo]

Not necessarily fake. Amharas have more contact with Omotics and Nilo Saharans than Tigrays. Benishangul-Gumuz borders Amhara. The lack of any Omotic admixture in Somalis is making me think that back migration route into the horn was probably along the red sea coast, with a subsequent dispersal into the highlands that were then populated by Mota like huntergatherers.

Somalis not having any Omotic admixture makes the Lake Chamo origin story less believable.

Neighboring a group does not equal extensive admixture. Cultural barriers can be very strong.

The Gumuz and Amhara are extremely different. Just like Djiboutians and Yemenis are very different as well.

 

[XoosBoos]

If early Eurasian farmers migration into the Horn is true than highland cushtic are thus the original cushites. The southern highlands cushites would thus form after some time after the north was heavily populated. These southern highland cushites would eventually split off from one another forcing some ie Somalis/Oromos into the barren desert/lowlands as their movement into arid lands predates the arrival of camels. Meaning that it might have been forced migration.

How so? Somalis originate from the North. By looking at Laas geel. Agaw’s have Eurasian geneflow like other cushitic speakers. Somalis are the least admixed Cushitics. We’ve haven’t got any omotic or bantu influence on our genepool. While Sidamo, Agews have drops of Omotic influence. East Lowland Cushitics are proven to be the «pure» and original cushitics. Somalis, Danakil Afars, Qottdu Oromo etc. Why I choosed a specific Oromo clan is because they are the least admixed Oromos there are.

 

[Menelik III]

How so? Somalis originate from the North. By looking at Laas geel. Agaw’s have Eurasian geneflow like other cushitic speakers. Somalis are the least admixed Cushitics. We’ve haven’t got any omotic or bantu influence on our genepool. While Sidamo, Agews have drops of Omotic influence. East Lowland Cushitics are proven to be the «pure» and original cushitics. Somalis, Danakil Afars, Qottdu Oromo etc. Why I choosed a specific Oromo clan is because they are the least admixed Oromos there are.

You're confused between two points.
The Eurasian farmers that migrated onto the Horn moved there in search of better farming land. People only move into deserts after some time depleting other areas and after large population growth.

You're mistaking pureness and origins, as they don't correlate.

Let's theorize for a second on their migration. There is only two routes that they could have taken, overland through north east Sudan or acrosss the Red Sea from Arabian Peninsula. The first is more likely as the second would require more work and would be much more dangerous.

So once they arrived into the Horn, what do you think they would do? Move onto the highlands or keep moving into the desert?