Partition of Ethiopia on religious lines?

[GemState]

IMO the cleanest way to break Ethiopia, with the successor countries still being viable economically. The precedent would obviously be the partition of India on religious lines.

I'm aware generally ethnicity > Religion in Ethiopia but none of the Regions are viable by themselves. They'll need to be attached to others. The HoA is the poorest region in thr world, nobody is interested in 4-5 states replacing Ethiopia, there is a need to get creative here.

 

[Knaan99]

Won’t work. Societies are becoming more government based. And modern system of governances avoid religion. at least the smart ones do.
Plus, those Christines don’t like one another. Same with Muslims.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

habesha/ cushitic muslims are too cucked they don’t want to leave their kin

 

[GemState]

Won’t work. Societies are becoming more government based. And modern system of governances avoid religion. at least the smart ones do.
Plus, those Christines don’t like one another. Same with Muslims.

I am not talking about necessarily establishing a religious state, but having Islam as the common platform for a larger state. Think how Pakistan and Turkey use Islam as the base for large scale cooperation between various linguistic, ethnic groups.

habesha/ cushitic muslims are too cucked they don’t want to leave their kin

I'm aware that's the sentiment currently. But if Ethiopia keeps stumbling as it is now, some alternative ideas would need to be thrown there as to how to get it to divide while having semi serious states. Nobody wants another South Sudan situation, and maybe Muslim nationalism could help Somalis get over clan competition, while being a part of a huge state?

Ethiopia's biggest problem is that it never can democratize. A new national project that puts democratization at the core while still having large scale cooperation would imo be interesting.

 

[El Nino]

Only the muslim areas could be viable. Blooshed between us and oromos/afar hasn’t reach catastrophic levels yet. Our border issues should be solved before that.

Add Somalia into this new nation and we would dominate it. I have seen afars, oromos and surprisingly a habesha/amhara woman wear alindi. There is more oromos/afars who speak somaIi then vice versa. I legit see other horner muslims as our little brothers, need of guidance by us. Adal Empire should have been our Rashidun caliphate, the start of other horners adopting our language and customs.


Shame cadaan missionaries got western oromos, would have been nice if oromos overwhelmingly muslim. Crazy good land there.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Not happening, as the largest Muslim majority ethnicity (Somalis) are divided by clan and will never politically unite on a program. Outside actors like Djibouti,SL & Somalia will actively meddle in the clan politics of the region if Ethiopia was ever on the brink of dissolving (will never happen tho, too big to fail).

 

[Burqad]

IMO the cleanest way to break Ethiopia, with the successor countries still being viable economically. The precedent would obviously be the partition of India on religious lines.

I'm aware generally ethnicity > Religion in Ethiopia but none of the Regions are viable by themselves. They'll need to be attached to others. The HoA is the poorest region in thr world, nobody is interested in 4-5 states replacing Ethiopia, there is a need to get creative here.
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no one wants that. Afars don’t want to live in a country with somalis even and vice versa. Do you think tigrayans,amharas etc could stand to be in the same country?

 

[Aurelian]

Let them keep the Muslim Oromos, Afars can be added to Eritrea, Somalis and other minorities to Somalia.

 

[chronic]

We could absorb the Oromo areas where Somalis were oromized

 

[JamalFarah]

As mentioned by others, Somalis are currently facing divisions. An optimal solution would involve creating an ideal scenario for both Somalis and other Muslims in the Horn of Africa. For Somalis this woud establishing a larger buffer zone between the Habesha and Somali heartland. Additionally, increasing the arable land within the Muslim-Cushitic region would facilitate greater food self-sufficiency for Somalis. For non-Muslim Cushites, this plan would offer coastal access, contributing to economic growth. The unified front formed by approximately 30 million Somalis and around 20 million Muslims from diverse backgrounds would serve as a cohesive resistance against imperialistic expansion by Habesha or Bantu forces.

 

[white horse]

You have Hawiye and Marexan subclans who live in Bale, when ONLF performed elections in 2004 they voted to join Oromia region. Now you have Ciise who live in Shiniile and Dagoodi who make up a triangle shaped border between Ogaden NFD and Oromia region and the rest is just the Ogaden region. This is why it gets confusing when it’s called the Somali region, one would expect too many clan divisions like in Somalia when in reality it’s just one major clan and two clans whom reside on the opposite side of each other. Very simple, idk why everyone’s mentioning “too many clan divisions” as if there are too many clans that live there. Like keep it a boqol wrote Cushitic Muslims are too absorbed in this Christian Abyssinia fairytale and aren’t willing to drop it. Hopefully this changes in the future.

 

[johnsepei5]

Oromos are not that religious

 

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IMO the cleanest way to break Ethiopia, with the successor countries still being viable economically. The precedent would obviously be the partition of India on religious lines.

I'm aware generally ethnicity > Religion in Ethiopia but none of the Regions are viable by themselves. They'll need to be attached to others. The HoA is the poorest region in thr world, nobody is interested in 4-5 states replacing Ethiopia, there is a need to get creative here.
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In my fantasy Afar+Dire Dawa+Harar would join SR in any balkanization and become Awdal.

This is however unlikely unless SR gains a massive headstart in development and can also offer autonomy to these smaller regions they wouldnt even be tempted.

Not happening, as the largest Muslim majority ethnicity (Somalis) are divided by clan and will never politically unite on a program. Outside actors like Djibouti,SL & Somalia will actively meddle in the clan politics of the region if Ethiopia was ever on the brink of dissolving (will never happen tho, too big to fail).

Djibouti is a microstate that doesnt speak up when its own are being marginalized by the uber langaab Afar state, SL collapsed due to being incompetent at dealing with its own internal clan politics, and Somalia is a failed state. SR has never had major clan conflicts so itd be hard for those three stooges to start now.

Ethiopia is too big, diverse, and low iq to succeed it has state collapse and potentially new borders every 2 decades.

 

[repo]

Oromo Muslim would side with his Christians over other ethnic Muslims. They are not zealous Muslims. Oromized Somalis would also side with Oromo over Somali. Somalis should maintain the status quo, they will not get a better deal in Ethiopia because Oromo covet their land and now sea.

 

[Dalac Bilaash]

Ethiopia must be dismantled every ethnic group always goes on rampage killing spree when ever they take power by force

 

[Daadhi Tarree]

You have Hawiye and Marexan subclans who live in Bale, when ONLF performed elections in 2004 they voted to join Oromia region. Now you have Ciise who live in Shiniile and Dagoodi who make up a triangle shaped border between Ogaden NFD and Oromia region and the rest is just the Ogaden region. This is why it gets confusing when it’s called the Somali region, one would expect too many clan divisions like in Somalia when in reality it’s just one major clan and two clans whom reside on the opposite side of each other. Very simple, idk why everyone’s mentioning “too many clan divisions” as if there are too many clans that live there. Like keep it a boqol wrote Cushitic Muslims are too absorbed in this Christian Abyssinia fairytale and aren’t willing to drop it. Hopefully this changes in the future.

Karanle live in bale but not marehan

 

[GemState]

I will continue to push this. Tribal identities in the Horn are primordial loyalties that are very hard to get rid of. The only realistic way out was/is a vision of self-overcoming. A nation-building ideology that will bind together everyone in a higher purpose. Muslim nationalism or communism.

Communism failed so religious nationalism it is.

Ethnic nationalism would be ideal but Somalis are clearly not interested.

 

[reer]

I will continue to push this. Tribal identities in the Horn are primordial loyalties that are very hard to get rid of. The only realistic way out was/is a vision of self-overcoming. A nation-building ideology that will bind together everyone in a higher purpose. Muslim nationalism or communism.

Communism failed so religious nationalism it is.

Ethnic nationalism would be ideal but Somalis are clearly not interested.

yep. a pakistan in the horn of africa would do better than somalia. imagine a coastline + more riverland + more rainy regions.

 

[Som]

Ethiopia is way more complex than that. The main issue in Ethiopia is ethnic and not religious as you know. The muslim areas of Ethiopia would still have conflict among somalis , afar , Muslim oromos and the christian area would have exactly the same conflicts among oromo , Amhara and tigrayans.

 

[El Nino]

I will continue to push this. Tribal identities in the Horn are primordial loyalties that are very hard to get rid of. The only realistic way out was/is a vision of self-overcoming. A nation-building ideology that will bind together everyone in a higher purpose. Muslim nationalism or communism.

Communism failed so religious nationalism it is.

Ethnic nationalism would be ideal but Somalis are clearly not interested.

All depends on us, we are the only ones who can make this happen, we have to be on the forefront. Once we get our house in control all is possible.

I wish for an ICU like group to form again except much more competent and geopolitically savvy.