Possible Lost city of punt discovered ?

[Midas]

So apparently these somaliland archeologist are saying they discovered a city or maybe ruins of a city? . I thought it was b.s but apparently they're working with a team of international archeologist? It seems like it can't be total b.s since it's an article directly from hiraan online.
@Idilinaa @Shimbiris @NidarNidar





<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Archaeologists claim discovery of ancient Land of Punt in Somaliland<br><br>Tuesday January 14, 2025<br><br>Yusuf&#39;s archaeological team discusses findings from their field research in Somaliland, where they uncovered what is believed to be the ancient &#39;Land of Punt.&#39;<br><br>Hargeisa (HOL) —… <a href="https://t.co/WPLQ89md8K">pic.twitter.com/WPLQ89md8K</a></p>&mdash; Izac Joseph (@IshaqYu) <a href="">January 15, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NidarNidar]

"It took eight months to decipher the map. Once I understood it, it led to a city with pyramids concealed underground," Yusuf told MMTV. "We believe it was the administrative and spiritual center of Punt. This discovery places Somaliland at the heart of ancient global trade and culture."

I did a rough translation via AI

• A dedication or offering text, mentioning offerings to a deity (sun disc or Ra symbol hints at solar or divine worship).
• A name or title if the second row is indeed a cartouche.
• A place or landmark inscription, based on determinatives in the first and third rows.

Now we need physical evidence.

 

[NidarNidar]

Did a bit of digging and this is 3 years old.

 

[Internet Nomad]

I really hope this is real tbh. But then afrocentrist would start claiming our history too.

 

[Midas]

Holy shit this looks fake as hell . And the book in that picture is from some pseudoscience spiritual association.

 

[Midas]

So I'm watching this interview he gave with mm somali tv. This might be a real object since it seems some villqger handed to him when he was passing by the area as a tourist guide. But the fact that he didn't try to contact some professional archeologist or sade mire. And that he mentions "hidden symbols " makes me think this dude is not that bright.





<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Archaeologists from Somaliland have announced the discovery of an entire underground city that once served as the capital of an ancient kingdom known as &quot;The Land of Punt.&quot; They also suggested that the Hargeisa &quot;Naso Hablood&quot; Hills might be man made pyramids. <a href="https://t.co/f7zGdLIQJg">pic.twitter.com/f7zGdLIQJg</a></p>&mdash; Abdilahi Gee-maal (@Abdilahi2019) <a href="">January 13, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[TheLand]

Is this the same guy who was talking about naaso hablood being pyramids and claimed that Har-geysa came from the Giza in Egypt?

 

[NidarNidar]

Putting everything aside, I would like to get those sites scanned by lidar.

 

[Midas]

Putting everything aside, I would like to get those sites scanned by lidar.

No yeah definitely. I thinks he's talking nonsense about some punt city but it's definitely possible he discovered some ancient site. I mean didnt people randomly discover ancient sabean inscriptions from 700 b.c ? so it's well within reason he stumbled on some ancient site.

 

[NidarNidar]

No yeah definitely. I thinks he's talking nonsense about some punt city but it's definitely possible he discovered some ancient site. I mean didnt people randomly discover ancient sabean inscriptions from 700 b.c ? so it's well within reason he stumbled on some ancient site.

I wanted to hear more from the old man who discovered the disc, if it's real, the sphinx was facing towards the pyramids, not away which is strange.

 

[Shimbiris]

Somalis' earliest linguistic ancestors were probably not even in what is now the Horn of Africa around 2500-1000 BCE when Punt is roughly purported to have existed.

Nobiin has a Highland East Cushitic substrata of loans which means either the Meroitic speakers or the Kermans were HEC speakers whereas we now also seem to have evidence of East-Cushites in Egypt and Lower Nubia dating to around Copper Age at least. Then there's all the weird cultural influences from Egypt that Idilinaa and the Somali linguist Mohammed Dirye Abdullahi have noticed alongside @The alchemist noticing evidence of Bejas assimilating East-Cushites. Not to mention that some of these cultural influences, like FGM, date exactly to this general period and the fact that Somalis' dominant Y-DNA looks like it was in Bronze-Age Egypt or Nubia as recently as 2300 BCE:

E-Z813 YTree

www.yfull.com

I'm gonna do a detailed post on this soon at Anthromadness but, long story short, there's a serious case for the C-Group Culture being our ancestors, Cushites coming into the Horn in waves, and East-Cushites only entering the Horn sometime between 1500-500 BCE.

 

[Midas]

Somalis' earliest linguistic ancestors were probably not even in what is now the Horn of Africa around 2500-1000 BCE when Punt is roughly purported to have existed.

Nobiin has a Highland East Cushitic substrata of loans which means either the Meroitic speakers or the Kermans were HEC speakers whereas we now also seem to have evidence of East-Cushites in Egypt and Lower Nubia dating to around Copper Age at least. Then there's all the weird cultural influences from Egypt that Idilinaa and the Somali linguist Mohammed Dirye Abdullahi have noticed alongside @The alchemist noticing evidence of Bejas assimilating East-Cushites. Not to mention that some of these cultural influences, like FGM, date exactly to this general period and the fact that Somalis' dominant Y-DNA looks like it was in Bronze-Age Egypt or Nubia as recently as 2300 BCE:

E-Z813 YTree

www.yfull.com

I'm gonna do a detailed post on this soon at Anthromadness but, long story short, there's a serious case for the C-Group Culture being our ancestors, Cushites coming into the Horn in waves, and East-Cushites only entering the Horn sometime between 1500-500 BCE.

I think what makes so strange to me is that on one hand we have very few non east cushitic languages with only 1 for north cushitic and then south cushitic has like 4 . And then a cluster for central cushitic around the mountain range.


But then we have weird genetic data where somalis are somehow genetically as close to these savanna pastoral neolthif people living in kenya and tanzania as the copts are to middle kingdom eygptians?




<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Genetic distance of Ancient Egyptian elite/nobility DNA samples against all modern current population averages. <a href="https://t.co/T8POlFDQZl">pic.twitter.com/T8POlFDQZl</a></p>&mdash; Miro C (@MiroCyo) <a href="">December 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Genetic distance of all modern ethnic groups to the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic (samples dated from 1400 BC - 340 AD)<br><br>Map is of 2024 ethnic groups, at various levels of zoom. X/Twitter makes it hard to read, so here is the link to the original images: <a href="https://t.co/oCz7pI4YF3">https://t.co/oCz7pI4YF3</a> <a href="https://t.co/3mQtwjrRAz">pic.twitter.com/3mQtwjrRAz</a></p>&mdash; Miro C (@MiroCyo) <a href="">October 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Midas]

The only other group like this is the Samaritans who ww directly know are related to ancient israeli from their language and texts. This is understandable for cipts and samaritans sinxe they live in the same area as their ancestors. Yet somehow somalis who lived thousands of miles away are almost genetically the same as these savanna people.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Geneticists have had access to ancient DNA whole genome sequences from Canaanites, Israelites, Judahites for some time now.<br><br>First genetic distances to modern people below. I will be providing lots of information in this thread <a href="https://t.co/YEPJtCYtEV">pic.twitter.com/YEPJtCYtEV</a></p>&mdash; Miro C (@MiroCyo) <a href="">October 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Shimbiris]

"Genetic distances" in this case are very deceptive as they're clearly based on the distance of the base ancestral components in these populations. In that case, there's not much difference between our Dinka-like and tiny Mota-related ancestry and the Dinka-like + higher Mota-related ancestry in SPNs nor is there any massive difference between our MENA ancestry and theirs. So, it gives you the illusion that we're closer than we really are. It's a situation much like Somalis and Wolaytas:

Wolaytas being "close" to us is kinda misleading. They appear close to us at face-value from a pure genetic distance point of view because they're close to us in terms of base admixture levels. As in their proportions of SSA and MENA ancestry are very close to ours and in the end the non-SSA elements in MENA are so genetically differentiated from SSA ancestry that the distances between us and say Tigrinyas will be a little exaggerated even by a simple difference of about 10% in either direction.

In reality, when more recent genetic components are looked at, Wolaytas have a lot of Mota-related ancestry like many other Omotic speakers. I don't remember the numbers but they beat out even the most outlier-iest Oromos out there at well over 25-30%. Somalis only being 5-10% Mota-related at best are definitely not actually that close to them in terms of RECENT ancestral components. In that respect it's definitely something like Oromos>Afars>Agaws>Xabashis then arguably them.

We're still pretty close to them. Same basic components: Natufian/Levant-Neolithic + Iron-Age Arabian (possible Ancient Egyptian instead or as well) + Nilotic + Mota. It's just that when you look at the proportions of these lower (not base) components the numbers would not look as wild between us and Amharas as they will between us and Wolaytas mostly because of their heavy uptick in the Mota component.

And wallahi, been busy with IRL and not had much time to think about Y-DNA lately or my feelings on E-M58.

Update:

But I forgot to address that you're probably also wondering why they even seem closer to us in terms of more recent components than one would expect given that they're Omotic speakers? Like why aren't they the same as Aris? I remember noticing this a decade ago with friends. The impression I get from modeling and look at Wolaytas over the years is that they're a Cushitic or Ethiosemitic admixed group. Probably either the Sidamics or the Southern Ethiosemites (i.e. Gurage) nearby's ancestors significantly intermixed with theirs.

In reality, these SPNs are a good case for how there clearly were waves of Cushitic migrants because we do not look like we are their direct, unadulterated descendants at all. We all did the math years ago with the first several samples and you can tell that once you account for their significant Mota-related ancestry the remaining population would be somewhat more MENA than modern day Somalis which just didn't add up if Somalis are basically pre-Mota-related SPNs with some Iron-Age Yemeni admixture mediated through intra-Horn admixture.

These guys, to me, represent an earlier Cushitic migration that may have even been entirely South Cushitic speaking and East Cushites came later.

We probably do descend from them in part and are likely mixes between them and the East Cushitic migrants. Can't imagine none of them remained in what is now Ethiopia and Somalia after leaving all that rock-art every where but we're not, clearly, unmixed descendants of theirs. For a long time we all assumed there was just some later admixture event from what is now Sudan that we figured came with innovations like the plough but now the more I research it's becoming apparent that EC also most likely came with this pulse of admixture.

 

[Yahya]

We need aerial lidar and a proper excavation team before we start making noise like hoteps. Either way if a great ancient civilisation is discovered many will claim our heritage for their own.

 

[NidarNidar]

Somalis' earliest linguistic ancestors were probably not even in what is now the Horn of Africa around 2500-1000 BCE when Punt is roughly purported to have existed.

Nobiin has a Highland East Cushitic substrata of loans which means either the Meroitic speakers or the Kermans were HEC speakers whereas we now also seem to have evidence of East-Cushites in Egypt and Lower Nubia dating to around Copper Age at least. Then there's all the weird cultural influences from Egypt that Idilinaa and the Somali linguist Mohammed Dirye Abdullahi have noticed alongside @The alchemist noticing evidence of Bejas assimilating East-Cushites. Not to mention that some of these cultural influences, like FGM, date exactly to this general period and the fact that Somalis' dominant Y-DNA looks like it was in Bronze-Age Egypt or Nubia as recently as 2300 BCE:

E-Z813 YTree

www.yfull.com

I'm gonna do a detailed post on this soon at Anthromadness but, long story short, there's a serious case for the C-Group Culture being our ancestors, Cushites coming into the Horn in waves, and East-Cushites only entering the Horn sometime between 1500-500 BCE.

More likely we absorbed anyone who was living in our region, the material culture of C group even including the A group was very similar to those living further up the nile, if it's one thing humans are greater at then fighting it's trading.

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[Riftvalley]

Is this the same guy who was talking about naaso hablood being pyramids and claimed that Har-geysa came from the Giza in Egypt?

Yeah same guy who said Laas Geel depictions were made by Samiri of the Quran. He has some fake archeology organisation which makes me wonder if he’s hustling to fleece for money from UN using cultural sites.

 

[TheLand]

Yeah same guy who said Laas Geel depictions were made by Samiri of the Quran. He has some fake archeology organisation which makes me wonder if he’s hustling to fleece for money from UN using cultural sites.

You know what’s funny about that? Just a few days ago Faysal Cali Waraabe said ‘we used to be called the land of punt’ for seemingly no reason but it makes more sense now. I wonder if this is another ictiraaf ploy