SNM stopped fighting after Barre left and only continued two years later before also ending shortly after.
I know you want your despot "hero's" defeat to seem like a benevolent dictator but that was obviously not the case.
Post independence, Rebel groups, State Collapse and aftermath
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I know you want your despot "hero's" defeat to seem like a benevolent dictator but that was obviously not the case.
Yeah like I said SNM continued fighting even after Barre was gone. It took local clan elders to finally bring peace.
Considering far more Somalis died between 1991-1995 than anywhere in the Kacaan era, yeah its pretty obvious Barre was a saint compared to the warlords who you claim cared about oppression and citizens.
What are you on?
The Isaaq infighting body count still didn't touch the death toll of 1988.
The so-called SNM "warlords" were vindicated when they managed to build a functional state whilst having zero recognition and recieving relatively little aid whilst not having their people massacred by their own government en masse.
Here's a fact that would destroy most Kacaanists:when the civil war broke out in 1991,life expectancy became higher than during the last years of the Kacaan.
Practically every metric of living standards improved after 1991 bar infant mortality.
The Kacaan was so retarded and incompetent or malicious that it was beaten by an anarchic Somalia in living standards.
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It is 100% true. Siad Barre actually met with harti about this resettlement plan of Ogaden in hargeisa in 1983 in order to strengthen darood control in the nation. Majerteen and warsangali opposed it as they saw it as a ploy to weaken them but the dhulbahante wholeheartedly supported it. There are stories of Ogaden looting toilets, doors, and sinks in hargeisa from locals
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Most of the deaths between 1991-1995 took place in the south where most of the fighting took place between USC, SPM, SNF, etc. Less than 3000 people died in the Isaaq civil war which was not between 1991-1995 but between 1994 and 1997 and the death counts are recorded in each city. Since then we have been the most peaceful clan in the Somali peninsula. We held peace conferences with clans that sided with kacaan and chose forgiveness as opposed to the complete clan cleansing route USC took (not that I am insulting or disagreeing with their approach) and built a functional cohesive democratic state. This narrative of siad being a better alternative to the clan militia factions does not apply to us, SNM birthed SL which was the greatest thing to ever happen to Isaaqs in the last 64 years.
Not to mention,a sizable chunk of the death toll attributed to the South was done by the SNF which were the remnants of Barre's regime and his loyalists.
I'm talking about the death toll in the south, the famines and USC were far more destructive than anything that happened in the Kacaan. The north was largely spared that since the brief fighting SNM was doing between themselves and non-Isaaqs was put to an end by clan elders.
Pretty easy to do that when no one is invading or meddling with you like in the south.
Maybe in the north but its the complete opposite in the south.
Hilariously wrong. Somalia's GDP took a massive nosedive after the government's collapse and Somalia's GDP per capita to this day is still lower than it was during the Kacaan and constantly struggles with famines and conflict. How anyone could think 90s Somalia had better living standards than Kacaan is beyond me. I mean infant mortality is literally the most important metric for any society, especially for countries with young populations like Somalia.
Yeah I know, that is what I was talking about the whole time.
Remember that Americans literally killed local clan elders during the Bloody Monday Raid that could have been responsible for the same peace conferences that Somaliland and Puntland had.
USC's method of resolving the civil war was the same prior to 1993.
The only thing the Bloody Monday raid accomplished was make set up Hawiyes for the CIA-backed warlords they had.
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USC was nothing more than an Ethiopian proxy group. They had no plans, no supporters, no method of ending the civil war. Their only goal and function was overthrowing the government and when that was accomplished they immediately fell into infighting. Aidiid and Ali Mahdi both could have ended the civil war properly but due to their maliciousness, they chose to fight instead. That would be forgiven (like SNM's and SSDF's actions) if Americans and Ethiopians didn't continually support those warlords and literally invade the south. (Battle of Mogadishu, Gedo occupation ect).
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Forgiveness and mercy is the best path to go instead of trying to take revenge and becoming the same as those you were fighting against. Nabi Muhammad s.a.w when he conquered Makkah, what were his actions?
Before he entered Makkah, firstly he gave the people sanctuary spots. He said "he who enters the house of AbuSufyan is safe; he who closes his door is safe; and he who enters the mosque is safe. The people scattered to their houses and in the mosque."
Then when he enterer upon the Kaba full of people seeking refuge He followed the Sunnah of Nabi Yusuf and his Forgiveness of his brothers. The Prophet said to the Quraish:
“O people of Quraish! What do you think I will do to you?” Hoping for a good response, they said: “You will do good. You are a noble brother, son of a noble brother.”
The Prophet then said:
“Then I say to you what Joseph said to his brothers: ‘There is no blame upon you.’ Go! For you all free!”
He even forgave Hind the wife Abu Sufyan and accepted her acceptance of Islam despite her sending the slave Wahshi to kill his beloved uncle Hamza in the battle of Uhud.
Allah s.w.t teaches us how to treat your enemies in the Quran...and this is the way our beloved Prophet s.a.w was following us well.
﴿وَلَا تَسْتَوِي الْحَسَنَةُ وَلَا السَّيِّئَةُ ۚ ادْفَعْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ فَإِذَا الَّذِي بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَهُ عَدَاوَةٌ كَأَنَّهُ وَلِيٌّ حَمِيمٌ﴾
[ فصلت: 34]
41:34 And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend.
Emotions, anger and grudges shouldn't be the driving force of a Muslims actions and thinking...rather he should following the way shown to us by the Quran and Sunnah.
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yea bro read all that b4. even before 1978 he did a MJ purge from government. Bruddah been broadcasting propaganda from jump
I’ve seen this before. Isn’t it ironic that a man who came to power by coup was so enraged by the idea of a coup on him?
Must've been his greatest fear. Btw does anyone know if this is true or not?
In January 1991, several irregular units of these various movements converged on the capital which quickly fell into their hands. On 27 January 1991, former dictator Mohamed Siad Barre fled in a tank, taking with him the gold and foreign currency reserves of the Central Bank, worth an estimated US$ 27 million. A new era was about to start.
If so USC maxa u soo haray lol
It became ‘clear’ because we switched sides. The most successful group against the kacaan was the SPM because all his military was reliant on us.
Siad Barre arrested Aden Gabyow(Defense Minister), arrested the leader of the WSLF, and signed a deal with Ethiopia which eventually caused Omar Jess to defect and leave his weapons for the SNM up north.
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