Predictions for Africa in 2025 - Semafor article

[Itsnotthateasy]

If Serbia was a UN member state and Kosovo was apart of it, they would've have to sign kosovo away or else its a violation to their territorial integrity or else it wouldn't be legal according to international law. It has to happen internally if a country has international recognition like south Sudan did with North Sudan or eritrea did with Ethiopia and Kosovo would've been the same.

Go read the legal arguments around why Kosovo was recognized. They hinge on UNSC resolution 1244 which forced Yugoslavia forces out (the second Yugoslavia) and allowed for civilian adminstration of Kosovo indefinitely pending a final political settlement. At the end of the process Kosovo declared independence unilateraly and some countries recognized it. Serbia doesn't recognize it to this day.

That resolution 1244 ofcourse recognizes the sovereignty, territoritial integrity and unity of Yugoslavia (the second one).

Serbia went to the ICJ to ask if Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence was against international law and the ICJ declared it was not. There's a lot of interesting aspects to the Kosovo situation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Go read the legal arguments around why Kosovo was recognized. They hinge on UNSC resolution 1244 which forced Yugoslavia forces out (the second Yugoslavia) and allowed for civilian adminstration of Kosovo indefinitely pending a final political settlement. At the end of the process Kosovo declared independence unilateraly and some countries recognized it. Serbia doesn't recognize it to this day.

That resolution 1244 ofcourse recognizes the sovereignty, territoritial integrity and unity of Yugoslavia (the second one).

Serbia went to the ICJ to ask if Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence was against international law and the ICJ declared it was not. There's a lot of interesting aspects to the Kosovo situation.

Yugoslavia collapsed so the Serbs even tho they were the headquarters for Yugoslavia informally it wasn't written anywhere that Yugoslavia is Serbia first and foremost. Yugoslavia was a number of states and thru a shared unity created Yugoslavia basically rendering Serbia as a part of it not the owner of it.

Once Yugoslavia collapsed, what border is being violated by recognising as many new states that emerge? Bro unless a great world war 3 breaks out, those current UN borders are quite fixed and holy as a quran or bible.

You need to show a country who existed in the UN and then another country violated it's sovereignty and recognised parts of its country and then that violation led to a new state to emerge and got a full nation state status as a result. It's insanity what your asking people to do all because I love isaaq shit.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Itsnotthateasy

Do you think any country would sign up as a member of the UN if their borders(sky, sea, land) and political independence isn't enshrined and protected and enforced at all times. The whole UN would collapse over nite if this isn't set as rules based order that all countries enjoy as basic rights.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Yugoslavia collapsed so the Serbs even tho they were the headquarters for Yugoslavia informally it wasn't written anywhere that Yugoslavia is Serbia first and foremost. Yugoslavia was a number of states and thru a shared unity created Yugoslavia basically rendering Serbia as a part of it not the owner of it.

Once Yugoslavia collapsed, what border is being violated by recognising as many new states that emerge? Bro unless a great world war 3 breaks out, those current UN borders are quite fixed and holy as a quran or bible.

You need to show a country who existed in the UN another country violated it's sovereignty and recognised parts of its country and then that state got a full nation state status as a result. It's insanity what your asking people to do all because I love isaaq shit.

Yugoslavia broke down in to sovereign states including Serbia.

Kosovo seceded from the sovereign state of Serbia.

What you are saying has already happened. Kosovo is well recognized but not a member of the UN still because Serbia doesn't recognize it and there are vetos I think.

Kosovo is a member of the world bank, IMF and many other international groups. It's not a member of the UN though but doing well independently and is trying to join the EU.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

The Kosovo Conditions And The Case For American Unilateral Recognition Of Somaliland

Analyzing the United States’ recognition of Kosovo in 2008, this essay presents a framework to guide the successful use of a president’s constitutional powers of sovereign recognition, particularly in the absence of international consensus. It then applies these “Kosovo conditions” to the...

www.hoover.org

 

[DR OSMAN]

Yugoslavia broke down in to sovereign states including Serbia.

Kosovo seceded from the sovereign state of Serbia.

What you are saying has already happened. Kosovo is well recognized but not a member of the UN still because Serbia doesn't recognize it and there are vetos I think.

Kosovo is a member of the world bank, IMF and many other international groups. It's not a member of the UN though but doing well independently and is trying to join the EU.

So the whole idea and rules based order of the UN protecting members state borders and political independence will be thrown out for Kosovo and also Somaliland.

Go chew your khat bro. Over 200 state interest in rules based order will be changed because of the interest of shitty Kosovo and Somaliland who don't even amount to 2 million combined between the two for the irrelevance of 8 billion in 200 countries. Keep chewing bro just keep chewing.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

So the whole idea and rules based order of the UN protecting members state borders and political independence will be thrown out for Kosovo and also Somaliland.

Go chew your khat bro. Over 200 state interest in rules based order will be changed because of the interest of shitty Kosovo and Somaliland who don't even amount to 2 million combined between the two for the irrelevance of 8 billion in 200 countries. Keep chewing bro just keep chewing.

104 UN members recognize Kosovo.

Explain that.

Obviously not black and white and open shut case like you wanna hope for. I support SL recongition. I think it's very good thing for Somaliland. I think it has a positive impact for the world and the region. Maybe good motivation for Mogadishu to start acting closer to a normal country which is good for Puntland region of Somalia.

 

[DR OSMAN]

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104 UN members recognize Kosovo.

Explain that.

Obviously not black and white and open shut case like you wanna hope for. I support SL recongition. I think it's very good thing for Somaliland. I think it has a positive impact for the world and the region. Maybe good motivation for Mogadishu to start acting closer to a normal country which is good for Puntland region of Somalia.

For God sakes I'm not reading about Serbia or Kosovo but the little I did read said there was some legal issues whether Kosovo was apart of Serbia pre ww2 borders which is irrelevant as post ww2 borders are the ones enshrined and protected by the UN.

Only 77 countries recognize it due to exceptional reasons such as war and conflict, different ethnic group and religion. Even then they can't sit in the UN, their in a suuq madow status.

Serbia is right tho if international rules are observed they were the state registered as a member state by the UN and EU and many other agreements like Helsinki agreement.

The law is favouring them not Kosovo. Plus some even argue it won't set a race for a declaration of independence worldwide in various countries which will change the UN general assembly ratio and affect many countries interests. While others argue it will as most can argue we had civil war like Kosovo and deserve special consideration.

Somaliland tho fits nothing of that they ceded their independence, it's over, u can't revive something nullified or dead, it's like reviving a dead person in a grave legally speaking, however PL n JL however never ceded their independence or protectorate(JL) or even Makhir Kingdom independence and Darawish status and were forced too by violence or external colonial actors. They stand a much better chance at independence and won't set any precedent for other movements.

 

[3LetterzMM]

Good luck prostituting ur ass to Israel make sure the houthis put on a condom b4 they rape the living shit out of u guys

 

[Zak12]

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Refreshing to hear such a complete takedown of Somalian alternative reality politics from a US scholar

That first image is dumb. So what if Somalia doesn't control all its territory? Many countries don't fully control their territory either. Georgia for examples has two full break away states that it hasn't governed since the 90s but no one thinks Georgia doesn't have territorial integrity.

People need to learn what de jure and de facto means.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

For God sakes I'm not reading about Serbia or Kosovo but the little I did read said there was some legal issues whether Kosovo was apart of Serbia pre ww2 borders which is irrelevant as post ww2 borders are the ones enshrined and protected by the UN.

Only 77 countries recognize it due to exceptional reasons such as war and conflict, different ethnic group and religion. Even then they can't sit in the UN, their in a suuq madow status.

Serbia is right tho if international rules are observed they were the state registered as a member state by the UN and EU and many other agreements like Helsinki agreement.

The law is favouring them not Kosovo. Plus some even argue it won't set a race for a declaration of independence worldwide in various countries which will change the UN general assembly ratio and affect many countries interests. While others argue it will as most can argue we had civil war like Kosovo and deserve special consideration.

Somaliland tho fits nothing of that they ceded their independence, it's over, u can't revive something nullified or dead, it's like reviving a dead person in a grave legally speaking, however PL n JL however never ceded their independence or protectorate(JL) or even Makhir Kingdom independence and Darawish status and were forced too by violence or external colonial actors. They stand a much better chance at independence and won't set any precedent for other movements.

I wasn't going to reply to this obvious strawman argument.

How did 104 UN countries (more than 50%) become 77 countries that recognize Kosovo. This isn't Somali politics where you can just make up any figure you want to support your arguments.

Can black market countries join the World Bank, IMF and apply for EU membership? Maybe not as simple as you want to believe.

If the US recognizes Somaliland - Somalia can mount a legal defence I guess and bring it's act of Union and prove it in court and have the recognition of Somaliland be declared illegal.
You will notice that not even Serbia went this far as to challenge the legality of states recognizing Kosovo because things are complicated.

In the end there will be normalization of relations between Somaliland and Somalia and life will go on. No need to stress out about it.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

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The Trump era will prove to be highly combatative. Mogadishu will have to start producing results and not excuses /blameshifting.


Man really tried to equate clan with identity politics lol. I don't know who is going to buy that one.

 

[Zak12]

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The Trump era will prove to be highly combatative. Mogadishu will have to start producing results and not excuses /blameshifting.


Man really tried to equate clan with identity politics lol. I don't know who is going to buy that one.

Stop posting this clown already. "AIAI was a terrorist organization" kulaha. There was virtually no terrorism problems in Somalia until 2006. Absolutely no precedence to claim AS is a symptom of a problem in Somali society either when there are no examples or comparisons to draw from in past Somali history.

This guy doesn't want to admit that America f*cked up hard in Somalia like they did in Iraq and wants to pin the blame solely on Somalia and Somalis for the mess they left.