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President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud “I will take back all our migrants from Germany!”
- Thread starter Fobnimo Till I Dhimo
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Waxan waa prank which Somali will voluntarily return
lol Probably felt the back lash he trying to cool temperatures
The fact that an insanely large part of the Somali economy relies on welfare recipients in the West is something to weep over. One of the things that makes Somalia resistant to pursuing economic activity is the "telephone game" of welfare, where recipients in the West send remittances back, which family members in Somalia then live on.
You also have to be honest; there is something particular about the post-2014 (ever since Gaddafi lost power) wave of migrants from Africa and the Middle East. These are young adult, uneducated, borderline hedonistic men, unlike the family units that comprised most of the early migration of the Somali diaspora in the West.
This group fuels far-right media narratives because of the criminal behavior they engage in en masse. Unlike the prior group pre-2014, this group also sends less money back home and consumes it all in senseless consumerism.
If we could trade economic investment—in the form of manufacturing and improvements in our tertiary sector like meat processing, farming, and fisheries—and take back the non-passport-holding "testosterone bombs," that would be a good deal.
Anyone who has a Western passport should not be worried unless they're foolish enough to have a Somali(land) passport as well, making them a dual citizen and potentially subjecting them to having their Western passport revoked.
You also have to be honest; there is something particular about the post-2014 (ever since Gaddafi lost power) wave of migrants from Africa and the Middle East. These are young adult, uneducated, borderline hedonistic men, unlike the family units that comprised most of the early migration of the Somali diaspora in the West.
This group fuels far-right media narratives because of the criminal behavior they engage in en masse. Unlike the prior group pre-2014, this group also sends less money back home and consumes it all in senseless consumerism.
If we could trade economic investment—in the form of manufacturing and improvements in our tertiary sector like meat processing, farming, and fisheries—and take back the non-passport-holding "testosterone bombs," that would be a good deal.
Anyone who has a Western passport should not be worried unless they're foolish enough to have a Somali(land) passport as well, making them a dual citizen and potentially subjecting them to having their Western passport revoked.
I was in Somalia at the start of the year,there are basically no jobs and if you are even qualified to get one good luck to all those clan members you will be infront of you,there’s no security you can easily be deleted for clan politics check that doctor who was killed in Galkacyo,so tell me why should any able bodied Somali live in hopelessness and fear
That has always been the case. Since when were refugees who tracked hundreds of miles along the Sahara, got put into the movie 10 years a slave for a while, swam across the Mediterranean, and snuck on transport across Europe fearful of being barred or blocked from returning home?
Welfare money is not enough for people to send back home, it's barely enough to sustain a living for 1 person in the west. Also foreign born migrants that don't have permits let alone citizenship don't receive those benefits either.
So it's mostly Somalis who work to earn income that send money back home and who otherwise pay taxes in western countries.
Also diaspora remittances actually acts like investment vehicle for various business, employment, industries , opportunities, education etc in Somalia
Because of the instability and lack of formal financial regulation or system, they don't attract sizeable foreign investment, most that come in from the diaspora. That's why HSM is on world tour to convince outsiders to invest to bring in that capital
Because most migrants come from the south. Even those other places are a bit problematic people invest in them in droves but there is lack of government regulation and support for it.
2024 Investment Climate Statements: Somalia
You can also see how important this is when there is more increase investment towards Ogaden in recent years and its the highest. Because of that government support , the returnee numbers are higher as well.
Just to show you how significant Diaspora investment is , by using Somali region of Ethiopia as an example
These is just 2017 , post 2018 would have probably skyrocketed it
Even this car manufacturing plant that provided jobs was in majority part funded by diaspora investments.
Don't be shocked if Culusow signs deals to get Somalis deported in exchange for money. This man and his group have proven to be shameless.
Welfare money is not enough for people to send back home, it's barely enough to sustain a living for 1 person in the west. Also foreign born migrants that don't have permits let alone citizenship don't receive those benefits either.
So it's mostly Somalis who work to earn income that send money back home and who otherwise pay taxes in western countries.
Also diaspora remittances actually acts like investment vehicle for various business, employment, industries , opportunities, education etc in Somalia
Because of the instability and lack of formal financial regulation or system, they don't attract sizeable foreign investment, most that come in from the diaspora. That's why HSM is on world tour to convince outsiders to invest to bring in that capital
Just to show you how significant Diaspora investment is , by using Somali region of Ethiopia as an example
These is just 2017 , post 2018 would have probably skyrocketed it
Even this car manufacturing plant that provided jobs was in majority part funded by diaspora investments.
I don’t at all disagree with the importance of remittances as investment vehicles back home. However, Somalis on welfare do send a portion of it back home. In Europe specifically, the employment numbers are atrocious; in places like Sweden, the Netherlands, and most of mainland Europe, it's comfortably over 50%.
Even in the UK, where the economic position of Somalis is somewhat better than in mainland Europe, the unemployment rate is still close to 50%.
Most Somalis on welfare send a portion of their benefits back home, aswell as the smaller percentage of employed Somalis are sending a part of their paycheck , considering the substantial size of remittances back home—over 1 billion USD.
For me this point almost seems self evident, as I've seen it all my lives, some household being so in the chokehold of their family back home that they put themselves in deep poverty to send as much as they can.
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Most Somalis who struggle to gain employment in the west especially in Mainland Europe don't rely on welfare, they rely on relatives or family members who work to gain income. In a lot of cases you will have 1-2 persons income spread out to cover the needs of several of people and so on.
Those who are forced to rely on social assistance don't have enough to send money to people back home, because they have only enough to cover their own living expenses in the short term. If you rely on welfare you are essentially poor , how is a poor person supposed to send money? Even those with low income would struggle to
Controlled and dependent: experiences of living on social assistance in Sweden
and also more than 50% of that remittances stat you showed of 1billion is from Somalis in UAE and Africa sending back home, where they don't recieve any social assistances.
You can also look at how much Somali diaspora from those same places sent back home before the civil war.
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depressing how much this culture has set us back economically, even in wealthy and abundant places like the USA. It’s been going for 30 years and for a good 25 of those that money went straight into the void. Spent on jaad, milk powder and trash like that, till today there’s basically no returns
the first gen are retiring or already retired, that’s a whole working life wasted on this and often time the family they’ve been sustaining back home takes it for granted. The lunacy back home is still ongoing in part because we’ve given it a life net too, I think Somalis would have actually felt the consequences of their stupidity and came to their senses long ago if there wasn’t a monthly deliverance of free money to keep them comfortable
What set Somalia back economically is not diaspora sending money back home, even after i have shown you studies on how it acts as an investment vehicle into various industries, you guys are still committed to this false framing.
It may be spent on jad or milk power, but it also spent on paying for schooling, food/water supply, electricity, housing, business, transportation, trade etc.
Every diaspora group sends remittances back home , the Chinese diaspora sends like 47$ billion dollars back to China every year.
The diaspora remittances in general actually drives economic activity and growth, i was pointing out that this was especially important in absence or limited foreign investments into the country and where the government fail to provide services for it's people or re-invest in them.
What is setting Somalia back is an ineffective government and the regional instability.
Change the situation in Somalia and you will lesen their dependency on it.
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