Prominent Muslim American Sheikha Dunia Shuaib Exposed by Her Ex-Husband

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

I don’t know if I can be bothered to watch it. What proofs did he display?

It's better if you watch it for yourself; all the points covered are time-stamped.


00:00 Intro 1:04 Lawsuit 3:44 Swatting 8:13 Series of Attacks 11:48 Our Creator 14:02 Our Relationship 22:33 The Story 24:24 Divorce Petition 30:23 Financial Abuse 32:35 Attempt to Sabotage Marriage 37:56 Secret Recordings 49:31 Imaginary Assistant 50:58 Attempted Murder 1:02:12 MAS Event 1:14:52 Organizations 1:18:55 Credit 1:20:18 Guided Hearts 1:23:06 Monstrosity 1:28:58 Two Types of Lies 1:30:23 Leaders 1:45:19 Challenge 1:47:54 Communal Consequences 1:49:40 My Direct Appeal 1:53:21 The Curse Word

 

[AMusee]

Aisha (ra) used to give lectures to the sahaba, as did some of the Prophet (SAWS) other wives. It is the Christians who say that women are not allowed to teach men, stop imitating them.

@AMusee
I think she means lecturing without niqab and the like. Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt, which is why I asked.

It’s not just the Sahabas it’s also famous scholars like Abu Hanifa and Imam Shafi who had female teachers. Those women also had students. In fact, there were more Muslim female scholars in the past than now. There are hardly any now and most of the female scholars that we did have, have works that unfortunately hasn’t even widely published.

There is a reason there were not many women who were scholars compared to men, due to Muslim women abiding by Hijab and the Shariah of Allah SWT.

You will find that the few women whose scholarship was recorded rarely spoke from behind a curtain and majority of the time were narrating to their mahrams, sons, husbands, brothers, etc.

Aisha RA narrated hadith to the Sahaba without them ever having seen her. She spoke from behind a curtain, they could only hear her. She did not stand on the mimbar in front of men face uncovered giving "reminders".

Also @Angelina who were the female teachers who taught Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Shafi'i that were not mahram?

 

[Smokybob03]

Why is the Dawah scene a mess in the West? Alleged abusers, r-worders and the list goes on.

It would be interesting to see the responses from the brothers. We all know that when multiple women came forward about a particular Iman r-wording with his wife also complaining, it was pushed aside as women lying.

Will the Dawah bros push this aside? Do I think the husband is lying? Probably not tbh and Allah knows best.

Welcome to finding out humans are infallible no matter how sweet they present themselves.

 

[SamaaleCushite]

Wahabis are fucking cringe bro

 

[Qeelbax]

inna lillahi

Accusing her ex sister in law of attempted murder, SWAT team dispatched to her ex-husband's house, forged Nikah documents, slander, lying to the police, private Social Security number leaked, calling Muslim men disgusting while talking to a prominent American Sheikh Siraj Wahhaj on the phone, using profanity, discussions on intimate subjects like lube with a guy from the Muslim community, requesting her husband to buy a $600 hairdryer just four days into their marriage, and a meher worth $20,000, saying anything less would be embarrassing to her father,and much more.

He brought the receipts

He was friends with him. He reached out to Omar Suleiman, asking for help about the situation and was told,''Do you know what the community would do to us if we went after a sister?''





This is her

Did Ali Dawah really title this video, Muslim wives crossing the line? He would never do that to a Muslim man, he wouldn’t even address it.

This is the same guy that follows that Bosnian Qari Fatih after he was exposed by his own masjids and community and ran away to the Middle East to avoid the court. He made the conversation about feminism and legal marriage, men are disgusting wallahi. I can’t stand this Kurd.

 

[Qeelbax]

It’s not just him. I could be wrong and people can feel free to correct me. But has anyone seen Ali Dawah ever and I mean ever record a video of the many men in the Dawah scene who have been accused of assault and the other heinous crimes? I don’t think so? In fact the many women that have come forward including spouses like this particular case have been branded ‘feminist’ and it’s lies against innocent men. Why is this case any different?

I really do wish the husband the best if he is a victim of his wife and if she is unhinged. But I just don’t understand why he is so supported when hardly none of the female victims have even believed? It’s making the Dawah scene look like a boys club.

He’s friends with them and invites them onto his show

 

[Qeelbax]

Why is anyone surprised?

In what Islam is it permissible for women to give lectures and speak in front of men?

Why do you think this only exists in the liberal west especially in america where the liberal "compassionate" imams are most prominent?

All these new "Shaykhas" and "Ustadhas" only exist in american for a reason, it is a liberalization project pushed by the government.

Why would anyone take these people seriously or be surprised by anything from them?

Please just shut up. There’s nothing wrong with women talking in public and there’s nothing wrong with compassionate sheikhs.

Y’all just want to suffocate everyone.

 

[Qeelbax]

@AMusee
I think she means lecturing without niqab and the like. Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt, which is why I asked.

It’s not just the Sahabas it’s also famous scholars like Abu Hanifa and Imam Shafi who had female teachers. Those women also had students. In fact, there were more Muslim female scholars in the past than now. There are hardly any now and most of the female scholars that we did have, have works that unfortunately hasn’t even widely published.

Niqab isn’t mandatory unless you follow a madhab ruling that says so.

 

[Qeelbax]

There is a reason there were not many women who were scholars compared to men, due to Muslim women abiding by Hijab and the Shariah of Allah SWT.

You will find that the few women whose scholarship was recorded rarely spoke from behind a curtain and majority of the time were narrating to their mahrams, sons, husbands, brothers, etc.

Aisha RA narrated hadith to the Sahaba without them ever having seen her. She spoke from behind a curtain, they could only hear her. She did not stand on the mimbar in front of men face uncovered giving "reminders".

Also @Angelina who were the female teachers who taught Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Shafi'i that were not mahram?

The prophes wives wore niqab, we all know that. That doesn’t mean niqab is necessary. You should be glad that women care and know enough about their deen to teach it and spread Allah’s words to others but instead you try to shame them. What’s wrong with standing in front of a mimbar? Is it because she’s on a higher platform then the men she’s teaching?

You should reevaluate yourself and direct your misogyny away from our sisters.

 

[Angelina]

There is a reason there were not many women who were scholars compared to men, due to Muslim women abiding by Hijab and the Shariah of Allah SWT.

There are literally thousands of recorded female scholars in the early Islamic centuries. I’m sure they wore niqab and followed the Sharia. There is nothing to suggest that being a female scholar means you can’t abide it.

You will find that the few women whose scholarship was recorded rarely spoke from behind a curtain and majority of the time were narrating to their mahrams, sons, husbands, brothers, etc.

There were in fact more female scholars in the past than now. So what you’re saying is wrong. We literally have less female scholarship in the last 200 years. There is a book called

Al-Muhaddithat: The Women Scholars in Islam​

The book lists those women and you’ll find they were the teachers of many great Scholars. It delves into their biography and the like.

They were scholars in their own right. Also, why would the only time women were imparting knowledge only be when they were quoting their brothers and husband? This is Islam we are talking about NOT Christianity. We literally had female Muftis like that of:

The scholar, faqeehah, mufti, Amat al-Waahid bint al-Husayn ibn Ismaa‘eel.

https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/130102

We even had male scholars quoting their wives who were scholars in their own right who actually learnt from them. Such as the case of Hisham ibn `Urwah ibn Zubair. is the teacher of Imam Malik, Abu Hanifa, Sufyan al-Thawri, Saeed Qahtan, and is acknowledged as a great Hadith scholar of that era. The most reliable Hadiths narrated by him, found in both Bukhari and Muslim, are those he narrates from his wife, Fatimah bint Mundhir. She was a Hadith scholar from Madina.

Aisha RA narrated hadith to the Sahaba without them ever having seen her. She spoke from behind a curtain, they could only hear her. She did not stand on the mimbar in front of men face uncovered giving "reminders".

Also @Angelina who were the female teachers who taught Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Shafi'i that were not mahram?

Lol, do you really not understand how big female scholarship was during the early days of Islam, that you think that they only taught their sons, nephews and the like? Those women were in fact Hadith scholars and known to even give fatwas!

I’ve read many times that their teacher was a female and never read that she was their mahram. Nafisa bint al-Hasan (d. 208/824) taught hadith to Imam ash-Shafi'i. Never read she was his Mahram. No one ever says that.

Ibn Hajar mentioned 12 women who were musnida (transmitters of collection of traditions). He studied with 53 women.

Can Muslim Women Teach Mixed Classes?

Answered by Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti Question Can Muslim women teach mixed classes? Answer Just as in the case of a man, a woman would be permitted to teach in any subject in which she is qualified (ahl) and a specialist, subject to the minimum legal conditions (see below) and proper...

seekersguidance.org

Also, Amat al-Muhamiliyya (d. 377 H) was a Shafi’iyya faqiha.

There were hundreds and I said hundreds of Islamic female teachers in the early days of Islam.

Also: One of great Successors, Umm Darda, taught in both Damascus, in the great Umayyad Mosque, and Jerusalem. Her class was attended by Imams, jurists, and Hadith scholars.

A Glimpse at Early Women Islamic Scholars - IslamOnline

The role of women scholars in preserving and transmitting prophetic tradition (Hadith) in Islam

islamonline.net

Ibn Hajar learnt from 53 women. But one of them was very famous:

Aishah bint Abdul-Hadi used to teach in the grand mosque of Damascus. She was appointed by the Sultan of that time as the Master of Hadith and taught the compilation of Imam Al-Bukhari. She represented the whole community and they could not find any man better than her. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, considered by many to be the greatest of all latter day Hadith scholars, traveled to Damascus and studied more than one hundred books with her.

A Glimpse at Early Women Islamic Scholars - IslamOnline

The role of women scholars in preserving and transmitting prophetic tradition (Hadith) in Islam

islamonline.net

The female teacher of Ibn Taymiyya:


And the list goes on. I can find so many articles about those women. In this day and age we don’t have female Hadith scholars, females that issues fatwa and they used to btw.

@AMusee
I hope you found this informative, but your assessment of there not being hardly any female scholars and that they only learnt/taught Mahram is incredibly wrong. Nearly ever major scholar had female teachers. Some of those female teachers taught more than one founder of the madhabs we follow today. They taught in masjid and have fatwas that even other prominent male Muftis listened to.

 

[Angelina]

Please just shut up. There’s nothing wrong with women talking in public and there’s nothing wrong with compassionate sheikhs.

Y’all just want to suffocate everyone.

I don’t mind @AMusee having issues with women talking in public without niqab. That’s a position you find amongst many scholars.

But It’s the fact that she thinks that there wasn’t much of a female scholarship and that they only taught their mahrams. Even worse the fact that she thinks what they taught was just quoting what their father and brothers had said and are just passing it on rather than any real scholarship from the women themselves.

Very insulting when you realize that some of those teachers where in fact Muftis that gave fatwas, were in fact at times quoted by their own husbands and have taught the giants such as Imam Hanifa, Shafi and Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Hajar and the list goes on and none of them were related to a lot of their female teachers. Ibn Hajar even travelled to be taught by one!

 

[AMusee]

There are literally thousands of recorded female scholars in the early Islamic centuries. I’m sure they wore niqab and followed the Sharia. There is nothing to suggest that being a female scholar means you can’t abide it.

There were in fact more female scholars in the past than now. So what you’re saying is wrong. We literally have less female scholarship in the last 200 years. There is a book called

Al-Muhaddithat: The Women Scholars in Islam​

The book lists those women and you’ll find they were the teachers of many great Scholars. It delves into their biography and the like.

They were scholars in their own right. Also, why would the only time women were imparting knowledge only be when they were quoting their brothers and husband? This is Islam we are talking about NOT Christianity. We literally had female Muftis like that of:

The scholar, faqeehah, mufti, Amat al-Waahid bint al-Husayn ibn Ismaa‘eel.

https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/130102

We even had male scholars quoting their wives who were scholars in their own right who actually learnt from them. Such as the case of Hisham ibn `Urwah ibn Zubair. is the teacher of Imam Malik, Abu Hanifa, Sufyan al-Thawri, Saeed Qahtan, and is acknowledged as a great Hadith scholar of that era. The most reliable Hadiths narrated by him, found in both Bukhari and Muslim, are those he narrates from his wife, Fatimah bint Mundhir. She was a Hadith scholar from Madina.

Lol, do you really not understand how big female scholarship was during the early days of Islam, that you think that they only taught their sons, nephews and the like? Those women were in fact Hadith scholars and known to even give fatwas!

I’ve read many times that their teacher was a female and never read that she was their mahram. Nafisa bint al-Hasan (d. 208/824) taught hadith to Imam ash-Shafi'i. Never read she was his Mahram. No one ever says that.

Ibn Hajar mentioned 12 women who were musnida (transmitters of collection of traditions). He studied with 53 women.

Can Muslim Women Teach Mixed Classes?

Answered by Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti Question Can Muslim women teach mixed classes? Answer Just as in the case of a man, a woman would be permitted to teach in any subject in which she is qualified (ahl) and a specialist, subject to the minimum legal conditions (see below) and proper...

seekersguidance.org

Also, Amat al-Muhamiliyya (d. 377 H) was a Shafi’iyya faqiha.

There were hundreds and I said hundreds of Islamic female teachers in the early days of Islam.

Also: One of great Successors, Umm Darda, taught in both Damascus, in the great Umayyad Mosque, and Jerusalem. Her class was attended by Imams, jurists, and Hadith scholars.

A Glimpse at Early Women Islamic Scholars - IslamOnline

The role of women scholars in preserving and transmitting prophetic tradition (Hadith) in Islam

islamonline.net

Ibn Hajar learnt from 53 women. But one of them was very famous:

Aishah bint Abdul-Hadi used to teach in the grand mosque of Damascus. She was appointed by the Sultan of that time as the Master of Hadith and taught the compilation of Imam Al-Bukhari. She represented the whole community and they could not find any man better than her. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, considered by many to be the greatest of all latter day Hadith scholars, traveled to Damascus and studied more than one hundred books with her.

A Glimpse at Early Women Islamic Scholars - IslamOnline

The role of women scholars in preserving and transmitting prophetic tradition (Hadith) in Islam

islamonline.net

The female teacher of Ibn Taymiyya:


And the list goes on. I can find so many articles about those women. In this day and age we don’t have female Hadith scholars, females that issues fatwa and they used to btw.

@AMusee
I hope you found this informative, but your assessment of there not being hardly any female scholars and that they only learnt/taught Mahram is incredibly wrong. Nearly ever major scholar had female teachers. Some of those female teachers taught more than one founder of the madhabs we follow today. They taught in masjid and have fatwas that even other prominent male Muftis listened to.

If you read what I said carefully you would see I said that many in comparison to *men*, are you suggesting that female scholarship in Islam is equal to that of mens? There is a clear reason for that. It is not that they did not exist.

Of course there were knowledgeable women who taught and I did not say they were *quoting* their husbands, sons, brothers. I said they were *narrating to them*, taught through them, as in for many of them their teachings were transmitted through their mahrams. Such as the known example you posted from IslamQA link and the hadith. It clearly says the male scholars in this example learned from and are quoting their *wives*. The point I was making is those scholars were not standing in front of strange men giving lectures, their knowledge was passed on through men who were their mahram.

I dont know about those other links you shared but could you provide any evidence their teachings were not transmitted through mahrams? Or for the example of Nafisa Bint Hassan, any source or example that shows it was not through a mahram or barrier?

That is what you should be showing me as you seemed to have misunderstood my point.

Which righteous Muslim woman in history stood before strange men to teach without a barrier let alone with an uncovered face? It is a phenomena unique to post war on terror America and its liberalization project.

 

[AMusee]

The prophes wives wore niqab, we all know that. That doesn’t mean niqab is necessary. You should be glad that women care and know enough about their deen to teach it and spread Allah’s words to others but instead you try to shame them. What’s wrong with standing in front of a mimbar? Is it because she’s on a higher platform then the men she’s teaching?

You should reevaluate yourself and direct your misogyny away from our sisters.

Most scholars say the Niqab is wajib in this time and it is a consensus that it is forbidden for women to stand before strange men face uncovered.

If you think Islam is shaming and misogyny then you have deeper issues you need to deal with and it is not with me.

We are speaking of Islam here not your feelings.

 

[AMusee]

I don’t mind @AMusee having issues with women talking in public without niqab. That’s a position you find amongst many scholars.

But It’s the fact that she thinks that there wasn’t much of a female scholarship and that they only taught their mahrams. Even worse the fact that she thinks what they taught was just quoting what their father and brothers had said and are just passing it on rather than any real scholarship from the women themselves.

Very insulting when you realize that some of those teachers where in fact Muftis that gave fatwas, were in fact at times quoted by their own husbands and have taught the giants such as Imam Hanifa, Shafi and Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Hajar and the list goes on and none of them were related to a lot of their female teachers. Ibn Hajar even travelled to be taught by one!

Who did you have this discussion with? Did you even read my post? Where did I say they did not exist or quoted their mahrams? I said there were not as many as men, which is a fact, and that is due to them observing the shariah. We do not know of all of the knowledgable and righteous women because they were not standing on the mimbar before men. Yet the ones we do know of have relations to *male* scholars who transmitted that they learned from them.

I also did not say they were quoting their family members lol. I said their teachings were transmitted through them or from behind a barrier.

If you have any example to the contrary from a reliable source I would like to see it.

Praise be to Allah.

Seeking knowledge in Islam is not only a human activity; rather it is an act of worship by means of which the Muslims seek to draw closer to their Lord, may He be glorified and exalted, and by means of which they seek reward with Him, may He be glorified, in the highest levels of Paradise, with the Prophets, the strong and true in faith (siddeeqeen), the martyrs and the righteous.

Because knowledge is an act of worship, the Muslims were keen to adhere to the laws of Allah when acquiring it and teaching it, knowing that Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, is watching every thought that crosses their minds and every inclination of their hearts, so that they would not drift away from the path of seeking knowledge only for the sake of Allah. One aspect of that is that the way in which knowledge was sought by Muslim women and young women must have been within the framework of Islamic rulings. At the same time, these rulings and guidelines did not prevent them from acquiring a high level of religious knowledge, as ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: The best women are the women of the Ansaar. Shyness did not prevent them from seeking to acquire deep knowledge of religion. Narrated by Muslim (no. 322).

We may see – from the books of biographies of women, narrators of hadith and scholars – how the commitment to Islamic guidelines on the part of the female seekers of knowledge has many aspects, as follows:

Firstly:

The prohibition on travelling without a mahram is something on which there is consensus among the scholars, and some of the fuqaha’ and scholars of hadith did not make any exception except travelling for the obligatory Hajj and ‘umrah. So it is not known that any woman travelled long distances and exposed herself to the grave dangers that existed during those times except with a mahram, so that she would not be disobeying Allah in a matter in which she wanted to obey Him, and so that her efforts to seek knowledge would not backfire on her on the Day of Resurrection. See the answer to question no. 82392.

Secondly:

With regard to mixing with men and men and women looking at each other, our righteous forebears, the fuqaha’ and scholars of hadith, were the furthest removed from that. In her pursuit of knowledge, the female scholar or seeker of knowledge must observe complete hijab, which includes the face and hands, or she must listen and speak from behind a curtain or partition, following the example of the Mothers of the Believers (may Allah be pleased with them). The Taabi‘een learned from the Mothers of the Believers everything that they narrated, hundreds of hadiths, from behind a partition, in response to the command of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted (interpretation of the meaning): “And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts” [al-Ahzaab 33:53].

This ruling was not only applicable to the Mothers of the Believers. al-‘Allaamah al-Ameen ash-Shinqeeti (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The fact that Allah, may He be exalted, explained the reason for this ruling – which is the obligation of hijab – by saying that it was purer for the hearts of both men and women and offered protection against suspicion is a clear proof that this ruling is intended to be general in application. That is because none of the Muslims would say that anyone other than the wives of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) did not have any need for their hearts to be more pure, or that the hearts of men are more free of suspicion than the wives of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). End quote from Adwa’ al-Bayaan (6/242).

We have stated this previously in many answers on our website, including no. 46921.

Thirdly:

Similarly, you will find in the books of biography many cases in which it is stated that listening was done from behind a curtain or partition, in obedience to the command of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. The scholars of hadith said, in response to those who rejected the report that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq heard from Faatimah the wife of Hishaam ibn ‘Urwah: It may be that he heard from her with a partition between them in the absence of her husband. Adh-Dhahabi said: That is what one would expect of them, which is the way in which many of the Taabi‘een learned from the female Sahaabah. And it may be that he went to listen to her and he saw her and learned from her when he was still a minor. It is also possible that he learned from her when she had grown very old; that is possible because she was more than ten years older than Hishaam.

End quote from Siyar A‘laam an-Nubala’ (7/42):

In Musnad al-Imam Ahmad (33/401) it says: Some scholars of hadith came and asked for permission to visit Abu’l-Ashhab. He gave them permission to come in, and they said: Narrate to us. He said: Ask me something. They said: We do not have anything [in particular] to ask you about. His daughter said from behind the curtain: Ask him about the hadith of ‘Arfajah ibn As‘ad whose nose was cut off on the day of [the battle of] al-Kilaab. End quote.

Similarly, it was narrated from Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him) that when the Muwatta’ was read to him, if the student made a mistake in the pronunciation, or added or omitted something, his daughter would knock on the door, and her father would say to the student: Go back and check, for you have made a mistake. And the student would go back and find the mistake. Al-Madkhal by Ibn al-Haaj (1/215).

It says in ad-Daw’ al-Laami‘ li Ahl al-Qarn at-Taasi‘ (12/22), in the biography of Haleemah, the daughter of Abu ‘Ali al-Mazmalaani, that she listened from behind the partition to [the book] Thamaaniyaat an-Najeeb when al-Jammaal al-Hanbali was teaching it.

Thus we can be certain that the way in which women sought Islamic knowledge was in accordance with Islamic etiquette. It is also an example of making sacrifices for the sake of acquiring knowledge, and achieving a high level of knowledge, as the books of history record the names of hundreds of women whose memory will live forever in this world and who played a role in Islamic history.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/175224/how-could-a-woman-have-acquired-knowledge-of-hadith

 

[MrDeeni1]

Why is the Dawah scene a mess in the West? Alleged abusers, r-worders and the list goes on.

It would be interesting to see the responses from the brothers. We all know that when multiple women came forward about a particular Iman r-wording with his wife also complaining, it was pushed aside as women lying.

Will the Dawah bros push this aside? Do I think the husband is lying? Probably not tbh and Allah knows best.

One of the greatest threat to shaytan is dawah. So often the people attacked are the daa’is. It’s sad the state and the egos in the scene may allah protect them.

 

[Angelina]

If you read what I said carefully you would see I said that many in comparison to *men*, are you suggesting that female scholarship in Islam is equal to that of mens? There is a clear reason for that. It is not that they did not exist.

Of course there were knowledgeable women who taught and I did not say they were *quoting* their husbands, sons, brothers. I said they were *narrating to them*, taught through them, as in for many of them their teachings were transmitted through their mahrams. Such as the known example you posted from IslamQA link and the hadith. It clearly says the male scholars in this example learned from and are quoting their *wives*. The point I was making is those scholars were not standing in front of strange men giving lectures, their knowledge was passed on through men who were their mahram.

Not all of them and the examples I have is clear.


Aishah bint Abdul-Hadi used to teach in the grand mosque of Damascus. She was appointed by the Sultan of that time as the Master of Hadith and taught the compilation of Imam Al-Bukhari. She represented the whole community and they could not find any man better than her. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, considered by many to be the greatest of all latter day Hadith scholars, traveled to Damascus and studied more than one hundred books with her.
https://islamonline.net/en/a-glimpse-at-early-women-islamic-scholars/?amp

I dont know about those other links you shared but could you provide any evidence their teachings were not transmitted through mahrams? Or for the example of Nafisa Bint Hassan, any source or example that shows it was not through a mahram or barrier?

Don’t you think the scholars would have said they learnt through her husband? None ever mention that. The ones that did learn through the husbands make it clear that the husbands were the transmitters like the case of Hisham.

That is what you should be showing me as you seemed to have misunderstood my point.

Which righteous Muslim woman in history stood before strange men to teach without a barrier let alone with an uncovered face? It is a phenomena unique to post war on terror America and its liberalization project.

Can you prove that all 53 of Ibn Hajar’s teachers taught him through a male Mahram? Also, many of them didn’t teach through a male Mahram. As for argument that they taught only through niqab or barrier, I don’t refute that.

As for your argument that their were more male than female, I don’t refute that at all. I refute your initial argument that all of them taught through a Mahram. The ones that did, we are told about such as Hisham ect that was to illustrate that some women were more knowledgeable than their husbands.

I’ve provided references for all of my points btw.

 

[AMusee]

Not all of them and the examples I have is clear.


Aishah bint Abdul-Hadi used to teach in the grand mosque of Damascus. She was appointed by the Sultan of that time as the Master of Hadith and taught the compilation of Imam Al-Bukhari. She represented the whole community and they could not find any man better than her. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, considered by many to be the greatest of all latter day Hadith scholars, traveled to Damascus and studied more than one hundred books with her.
https://islamonline.net/en/a-glimpse-at-early-women-islamic-scholars/?amp


Don’t you think the scholars would have said they learnt through her husband? None ever mention that. The ones that did learn through the husbands make it clear that the husbands were the transmitters like the case of Hisham.

Can you prove that all 53 of Ibn Hajar’s teachers taught him through a male Mahram? Also, many of them didn’t teach through a male Mahram. As for argument that they taught only through niqab or barrier, I don’t refute that.

As for your argument that their were more male than female, I don’t refute that at all. I refute your initial argument that all of them taught through a Mahram. The ones that did, we are told about such as Hisham ect that was to illustrate that some women were more knowledgeable than their husbands.

I’ve provided references for all of my points btw.

So then what are you arguing with me about? I dont get it, do you even read my posts or are you arguing with yourself?

I said:

1) female scholars taught through their mahram

or

2) the ones that taught to non-mahram men did so through barriers.

You have shared an example of a scholar saying he learned from his wife. This is an example of my first point.

You have conceded to my second point for all other examples.

What is your argument? Read my post and then respond.

Read all my posts and see that the argument is that knowledgable women either taught through male mahrams, and that is how they were transmitted to us, or through a barrier. That is why almost all your examples we know about through men, whether mahram or male scholars who transmitted they learned from them through a barrier.

Again, the argument is that women do not stand in front of non-mahram men uncovered and that this is a phenomena in the liberal "Islam" promoted in the west. America in particular. If you are arguing against what I said you would need to show an example of a righteous female scholar in Muslim history that did not teach through a mahram or barrier. Otherwise I do not know who or what you arguing about.

 

[Angelina]

So then what are you arguing with me about? I dont get it, do you even read my posts or are you arguing with yourself?

I said:

1) female scholars taught through their mahram

or

2) the ones that taught to non-mahram men did so through barriers.

You have shared an example of a scholar saying he learned from his wife. This is an example of my first point.

You have conceded to my second point for all other examples.

What is your argument? Read my post and then respond.

Read all my posts and see that the argument is that knowledgable women either taught through male mahrams, and that is how they were transmitted to us, or through a barrier. That is why almost all your examples we know about through men, whether mahram or male scholars who transmitted they learned from them through a barrier.

Again, the argument is that women do not stand in front of non-mahram men uncovered and that this is a phenomena in the liberal "Islam" promoted in the west. America in particular. If you are arguing against what I said you would need to show an example of a righteous female scholar in Muslim history that did not teach through a mahram or barrier. Otherwise I do not know who or what you arguing about.

I refuted your point that the scholars like Imam Shafi and the like only learnt through female mahrams. Many of those women I’ve mentioned had male students and used to give fatwas and have lectures at the masjid, albeit behind a curtain ect.

Also, I refuted your point about Sheikhas and Ustadas are a modern phenomenon when it’s the opposite. We hardly have any female scholars. There were hundreds if not thousand before. Dunia and the like aren’t female scholar but simply a random woman that gives reminders. Female scholarship has declined in the last 300-200 yrs. Before we had female Muftis who have fatwas, now we don’t.

Also, do you have issues with women lecturing or not doing so without niqab? Because DH brings his wife on YouTube for millions to hear. Yes she’s wearing proper hijab, but I don’t see why it would be wrong for a female lecturer who is actually knowledgeable provided she’s wearing good hijab as DH brings his wife online when she or he that matter aren’t even knowledgeable.

 

[AMusee]

I refuted your point that the scholars like Imam Shafi and the like only learnt through female mahrams. Many of those women I’ve mentioned had male students and used to give fatwas and have lectures at the masjid, albeit behind a curtain ect.

Could you show me where I made that point for you to refute it? lol

Dont edit the post either. Share a full post here I made that says they were all through mahrams and did not mention a mahram OR a barrier.

 

[Angelina]

Could you show me where I made that point for you to refute it? lol

Dont edit the post either. Share a full post here I made that says they were all through mahrams and did not mention a mahram OR a barrier.

I could have misunderstood you but you gave the impression that those women only taught them because they were Mahram. It was due to that point that I sent you all
Of that proof. Before that I just thought you had issues with women without niqab being online, which is what I said to the other posters that they should not misunderstand you. After you posted that point above did I start to think you thought that female scholarship wasn’t a thing apart from women teaching men that they were related to.