Question?? How was Adam AS tricked if

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what about my post made you question my faith?

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Islam encourages you to question everything that is the thing many people don't understand, and it is deeply rooted in the Islamic faith. If your really interested in getting answers don't come to sspot, go to your local mosque and ask an educated scholar. My advice to you before you come to a conclusion.

 

[Zucchini]

There is an entire chapter in the Quran dedicated to Abu Lahab where Allah affirms that Abu Lahab will die a kafir and go to hell while he still alive.
For this surrah to be true Abu Lahab has to have no freedom whatsoever to choose Islam over paganism
Abu Lahab before coming to existence had a predetermined destiny and no matter what happens in the universe no one could alter that

 

[Zucchini]

He was tricked by his wife hawa, she gave him an apple and he just ate it no questions asked, I don’t think Adam even interacted with satan

It wasn't an apple tee that is the biblical narrative genesis 2:16-17. Tthe quran calls it the cursed tree.

Plus forbidding an apple fruit from Adam would contradict the wisdom of Allah for he doesn't forbid what is good.

I think the tree was intoxicating like strong weed or something that is why they were walking around naked in the garden.

 

[Samaalic Era]

It wasn't an apple tee that is the biblical narrative genesis 2:16-17. Tthe quran calls it the cursed tree.

Plus forbidding an apple fruit from Adam would contradict the wisdom of Allah for he doesn't forbid what is good.

I think the tree was intoxicating like strong weed or something that is why they were walking around naked in the garden.

Bani Israil were forbidden from working on Saturday even though we are allowed to work every day except for Salat Jumuah

 

[James Dahl]

It's not an apple tree despite artistic depictions.

The original reading was "the tree in the middle of Paradise". It is never named, nor was the fruit or tree described. It is an allegory of the change from animals into sentient, self aware beings who suddenly realize they are naked and make clothes for themselves out of leaves.

The enlarged brains cause problems in childbirth and with self awareness comes the loss of innocence of humanity as they become aware of good and evil and right and wrong, and no longer simply act on instinct as animals do. Humans "eat from the tree" and their "eyes are opened" in that they suddenly see the world with awareness and not just animal instinct.

"Paradise" as a magical land of perfect beauty is a modern interpretation of the word the word originally meant a walled enclosure, essentially the walled-off domain of God. The allegorical meaning of the Fall is that living "with God" entails living a life entirely by the plan of God which is what animals do. By becoming self aware and sentient beings capable of going against our base instincts we live by our own plan. We become 'cast out' of God's house and into the world.

Several strange religious sects have tried to 'move back in' by going about the world naked and living as an animal at one with nature, like the Adamites, but it's an affectation. We can never go back, there is no road back to "Paradise"

 

[Zucchini]

Bani Israil were forbidden from working on Saturday even though we are allowed to work every day except for Salat Jumuah

You think a Jewish man will close his shop in the middle of business hour and go to the temple and pray? Nooo those greedy assholes put the benjamins before God

It explains the necessity of the sabbath laws and why Allah had to come hard on them and make it illegal to do almost anything but worship

Allah was easy on muslims on jummah because of their submissive and observant nature no need for sabbath laws

 

[Samaalic Era]

You think a Jewish man will close his shop in the middle of business hour and go to the temple and pray? Nooo those greedy assholes put the benjamins before God

It explains the necessity of the sabbath laws and why Allah had to come hard on them and make it illegal to do almost anything but worship

Allah was easy on muslims on jummah because of their submissive and observant nature no need for sabbath laws

I agree. They even came up with schemes to bypass the Sabbath and Allah swt turned them into monkeys and pigs

 

[Zucchini]

I agree. They even came up with schemes to bypass the Sabbath and Allah swt turned them into monkeys and pigs

Bro u read surat al baqrah rightt when mosa cs asked them to slaughter a cow and then you proceed reading into next couple of verses thinking in ur head oh boy that's so easy the Jews are gonna go a head now to the market grab a cow bring it to mosa and say there you go buddy is all done rightttt....but hell no they start arguing putting conditions and act all drama queens
What kind of cow u want? A black white or biracial? One that only eats fried chicken?

am reading my quran all in peace but them jews make me feel like scream shut the f*ck up you mother fucking jews

 

[Samaalic Era]

Bro u read surat al baqrah rightt when mosa cs asked them to slaughter a cow and then you proceed reading into next couple of verses thinking in ur head oh boy that's so easy the Jews are gonna go a head now to the market grab a cow bring it to mosa and say there you go buddy is all done rightttt....but hell no they start arguing putting conditions and act all drama queens
What kind of cow u want? A black white or biracial? One that only eats fried chicken?

am reading my quran all in peace but them jews make me feel like scream shut the f*ck up you mother fucking ****** jews

They truly earned the wrath of Allah swt

 

[Regg]

Garowe Boy said the answer but left the part about Iblees encounter with the snakes in Earth when he got banished.

Iblees (Satan) and his minions (Shaytans) are Jinns and they have the ability to appear in a human or animal form so they could deceive people. During the times of Adam, the serpents were like the reptiles who had legs and could fly.

One of them granted Iblees permission to enter his body so he could fly and bypass the doors of Paradise.

That’s how Ibless tempted Adam. After that, Allah swt punished the serpents by removing the legs and made them what they are today.

we go by the reports which have been narrated from some of the Sahaabah and Taabi‘een, which Ibn Madow at-Tabari (1/532) favoured and owhich originated with Wahb ibn Munabbih and were based on the knowledge of the People of the Book. These reports say that when Iblees wanted to tempt them, he entered the body of a snake, and the snake had four legs, like a camel. It was one of the most beautiful beasts that Allah had created, and when the snake entered Paradise, Iblees emerged from its body. End quote.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Life, this topic is great sis. It deserves to be continued until you are satisfied. Cool topic.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

it doesn't matter if other jinns were allowed to pass thru heaven. Satan was expelled yet he managed to trick Adam (as) in heaven.

فَوَسْوَسَ لَهُمَا الشَّيْطَانُ لِيُبْدِيَ لَهُمَا مَا وُورِيَ عَنْهُمَا مِن سَوْآتِهِمَا وَقَالَ مَا نَهَاكُمَا رَبُّكُمَا عَنْ هَٰذِهِ الشَّجَرَةِ إِلَّا أَن تَكُونَا مَلَكَيْنِ أَوْ تَكُونَا مِنَ الْخَالِدِينَ - 7:20

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their private parts. He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal."

Life, where do you stand based on the answers written by others? Any clarity on anything? I might be repeating what others said before but will phrase it a little differently if I can.

What is written in the book of knowledge or in the preserved tablet does not cause someone's actions whether they be good or bad, it is merely a recording of what transpired and will transpire based on Allah's Knowledge. Your actions are not the direct result of what is written in the book for you, but an account of what you would do and where you would end up based on your choices already known to Allah.


The prophet pbuh once told his companions that everyone has their fate written already, to which they replied why they would bother then, and he told them to continue doing good and that their actions will reveal to them where their destiny is. We live out our destiny and God is not forcing it on us but the free will he gave to each one of us pushes us towards the end meant for us.

Allah does not intervene against his will that is already written, though Allah can do as he pleases and can wipe things off the recording if he wills. Allah does as he pleases and we as Muslims do not challenge his authority and power. We accept his supreme nature. That is the attraction Of Allah in the eyes of a Muslim.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Btw, Life, Muslims have worries about Qadar as well. They use their fear and worries of not knowing where they would end up as a source of motivation to persist in doing good and to change from bad to good when they fall behind. The fact that Allah forgives all sins and he calls himself The Forgiver makes a Muslim live in hope whilst they fear if they end up dead on the wrong side of the scale, they will be accountable for their failures.

 

[pinkforstuff]

I asked, how can Adam as be tricked if Satan was expelled from Jannah? but in regards to your answer, how was he punished for his decision when he was going to be sent to earth no matter what?

How do you know it was iblis? There many shaytans. In any case, you should probably look for tafsir regarding these verses.

You do know that Iblis was removed from hell-fire to mislead everyone afterwards? That was his dua, but I think in the Quran it says that Allah said iblis will never mislead the true servants of Allah.

Even if they fall into sins, the true servant will repent and do good, like Adam did (the qur'an said he repented).

The bad person would follow shaytan all the way without stopping to think or repent, there is an ayat that says that:

Surah Araf verse 201: Verily, those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V. 2:2), when an evil thought comes to them from Shaitan (Satan), they remember (Allah), and (indeed) they then see (aright).

Surah Araf verse 202: But (as for) their brothers (the devils) they (i.e. the devils) plunge them deeper into error, and they never stop short.

I am gonna look up some tafsir for you in sha Allah.

 

[B-is-the-code]

Iblis was thrown out of heaven? I was listening to surah al araf (starts from verse 11) and a few questions came to mind.


The surah is about shaytan and how he was expelled and when humans were created and put on earth. I was reading and listening and two things didn't make sense to me.

1, how Adam was even tricked to eat the apple by the devil if Allah had expelled him from heaven already.

قَالَ اخْرُجْ مِنْهَا مَذْءُومًا مَّدْحُورًا ۖ لَّمَن تَبِعَكَ مِنْهُمْ لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنكُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ - 7:18

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
[ Allah ] said, "Get out of Paradise, reproached and expelled. Whoever follows you among them - I will surely fill Hell with you, all together."

but apparently, Satan managed to find a way to whisper to Adam (as) to eat fruit God forbade him to eat.


فَوَسْوَسَ لَهُمَا الشَّيْطَانُ لِيُبْدِيَ لَهُمَا مَا وُورِيَ عَنْهُمَا مِن سَوْآتِهِمَا وَقَالَ مَا نَهَاكُمَا رَبُّكُمَا عَنْ هَٰذِهِ الشَّجَرَةِ إِلَّا أَن تَكُونَا مَلَكَيْنِ أَوْ تَكُونَا مِنَ الْخَالِدِينَ - 7:20

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their private parts. He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal."


وَقَاسَمَهُمَا إِنِّي لَكُمَا لَمِنَ النَّاصِحِينَ - 7:21

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And he swore [by Allah ] to them, "Indeed, I am to you from among the sincere advisors."


فَدَلَّاهُمَا بِغُرُورٍ ۚ فَلَمَّا ذَاقَا الشَّجَرَةَ بَدَتْ لَهُمَا سَوْآتُهُمَا وَطَفِقَا يَخْصِفَانِ عَلَيْهِمَا مِن وَرَقِ الْجَنَّةِ ۖ وَنَادَاهُمَا رَبُّهُمَا أَلَمْ أَنْهَكُمَا عَن تِلْكُمَا الشَّجَرَةِ وَأَقُل لَّكُمَا إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ لَكُمَا عَدُوٌّ مُّبِينٌ - 7:22

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
So he made them fall, through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten together over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And their Lord called to them, "Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is to you a clear enemy?"


The second, thing that got me wondering was about the free will concept. There is supposedly free will in Islam. How does that work when taking into consideration that God is ALL knowing?

“Know you not that Allaah knows all that is in the heaven and on the earth? Verily, it is (all) in the Book (Al‑Lawh Al‑Mahfooz). Verily, that is easy for Allaah”
[al-Hajj 22:70]

If Allah is all-knowing doesn't that mean that our future is predetermined? And to tie this into the Adam (as) and satan question. Why did Allah punish satan or Adam in the first place when he already knew what happened would happen specifically when you take it under consideration that according to the Quran everything that happens is in the WILL of Allah.

“And your Lord creates whatsoever He wills and chooses”

[al-Qasas 28:68]

And also, there is a verse in baqarah that I thought of that was about how Allah sealed the dis-believers heart. Doesn't that go against the free will concept? If God is sealing the hearts of dis-believers and our lives are predetermine then why do humans like Adam or even satan get punished for doing what they were destined to do?

خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَىٰ سَمْعِهِمْ ۖ وَعَلَىٰ أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ - 2:7
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.

I know this particular verse is in context referring to people who pretended and said they were Muslims but in their hearts weren't. but the argument still stands, why did god seal their heart in the first place if he knew before he created them how they were going to turn out. Matter fact why did God create Satan and placed him amongst the angels if he knew that he was going to oppose Allah one day.


Last question, regarding Adam (as). The whole reason as to why humans are on earth is because Adam ate the forbidden fruit and god, as a punishment, sent him to earth. Adam WAS in heaven at one point and was thrown out for a sin he committed. inherence of sins in Islam is not a thing. so why are, we humans suffering because of a sin committed by Adam.

Whoever chooses to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good; and whoever goes astray, goes but astray to his own loss; and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden.Moreover. We would never punish (any community for the wrong they may do) ere We have sent an apostle (to them). (Quran 17:15)

I watched a video by Noman Ali khan trying to explain the free will concept and Adam vs Satan. In his explanation, he said, no matter what Adam was always destined to go to earth, which means that it wouldn't matter what Adam would do because GOD planned FOR Adam to be SENT to earth.


PS.

I want a respectful discussion and no bashing.

God gave us choices.
Good or bad
Angle or devil
Day or night
Man or women
Muslim or gaal

Anyway everyhin is writen like a map for you, what ever way you take, god knws where you going to end up. Make sense? Here an example

 

[NoSafety]

A question I never found a clear answer to. Till this day it seems to me as if there's no free will

 

[sigmund]

Is so weird how someone on this thread was a muslim a year ago and now bashes islam subhanallah may Allah guard our beliefs and not make us amongst the people of hellfire

 

[sigmund]

A question I never found a clear answer to. Till this day it seems to me as if there's no free will

What are you doing now? you just posted a comment and wrote your own opinion. Were you forced to comment and post or was that your own free will? all humanity has free will to do what they want that's why you see war, murder, rape etc in our day to day life. If humans did not have free will they would not make these choices just like how you made a choice to comment on this thread.

 

[fox]

free will, determinism, problem of evil ... are all endless discussions. way I see it is that as humans we can not understand/comprehend how the creator works; why I simply accept/believe it without reasoning.

 

[Ayubi]

In Islam Allah doesn't force anyone to do anything. Allah knows the outcome but still tests us. Let me give you an example: A teacher knows if a student is going to pass or fail depending on how well they did throughout the year. If the student fails the exam, can he blame the teacher for knowing he was going to fail before the exam happened? or should he blame himself for making stupid choices of not studying? likewise, Allah gave Jinns and Humans free will to do what they wish to do, he has given us clear guidelines and told us what is right or wrong. If you go to Jannah, it was through your obedience to Allah's religion and his mercy but if you end up in Hellfire, it was because of the wrong you did in this world. Allah is all just and wants the best for us.