Raas Casyr State

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Bro if the loser incel script ( apologies to the great kenadiid) is used then I’m seceding from that state and rejoining puntland

Don't claim us, you fatherless cockroach.

 

[Burqad]

Don't claim us, you fatherless cockroach.

This isn’t an attack on you, it’s an attack on another guy on here who uses Osmanya script who I’m trying to anger.

Avoid the friendly fire abaayo

 

[Tiyeglow]

You identified a problem but not its cause or its solution. This guy identified a problem, the cause and the solution.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/we-need-a-puntland-ministry-for-coastal-development.100125/

I am not knocking this idea, however there is a difference between revive and reform.

My proposal of Raas Casyr is supposed to revive the economy, make it a hub for commerce just like at the Sultanate's peak in 19th century. To merely set-up a Ministry for Coastal Development indicates reform & directing some funds towards development. One is a large-scale, seismic policy, the other is reallocation of funding. I do appreciate however that not everything grand works out and sometimes small is great so I am honestly no totally against this idea, only under the condition that it is an initial step with the wider plan being greater investment and attention.

I'm surprised it isn't even on the agenda to make changes to the coastal towns. Its far more important than any economic policy towards Garowe/Bosaso which remains the state's main focus. I briefly was informed about Ilhan's plans to secure funding for Qardho-Bayla but this is a long-term plan as she proposed that Reer Bayla start to initially raise something and she will get NGOs and agencies to top-up, its over 200km I believe so it will be in the $10s of millions.

I'd honestly go as far as leasing parts of the coast to China for roads to be built towards the coastal towns, or a partnership, given its completely dormant now so it isn't benefiting anyone. Another factor would be internal fundraising, with the govt handing over land in those coastal towns in proportion to the amount they invested to build the roads, this provides the incentive structure to invest.

 

[MVPSOM]

I'd honestly go as far as leasing parts of the coast to China for roads to be built towards the coastal towns,

That is really a bad idea. Never ever do a leasing deal with any foreign governments. If you want to develop your land, the best thing to do is have the community at home and in the diaspora raise money and then hire foreign engineers to build your infrastructure like Garacad port.

 

[Tiyeglow]

That is really a bad idea. Never ever do a leasing deal with any foreign governments. If you want to develop your land, the best thing to do is have the community at home and in the diaspora raise money and then hire foreign engineers to build your infrastructure like Garacad port.

I'm with you but how long does that pipedream linger before it actually becomes more practical to have some economic activities, albeit compromised, rather than nothing. Is land in and of itself, without any use, valuable?

 

[Libaax-Joore]

I am not knocking this idea, however there is a difference between revive and reform.

My proposal of Raas Casyr is supposed to revive the economy, make it a hub for commerce just like at the Sultanate's peak in 19th century. To merely set-up a Ministry for Coastal Development indicates reform & directing some funds towards development. One is a large-scale, seismic policy, the other is reallocation of funding. I do appreciate however that not everything grand works out and sometimes small is great so I am honestly no totally against this idea, only under the condition that it is an initial step with the wider plan being greater investment and attention.

I'm surprised it isn't even on the agenda to make changes to the coastal towns. Its far more important than any economic policy towards Garowe/Bosaso which remains the state's main focus. I briefly was informed about Ilhan's plans to secure funding for Qardho-Bayla but this is a long-term plan as she proposed that Reer Bayla start to initially raise something and she will get NGOs and agencies to top-up, its over 200km I believe so it will be in the $10s of millions.

I'd honestly go as far as leasing parts of the coast to China for roads to be built towards the coastal towns, or a partnership, given its completely dormant now so it isn't benefiting anyone. Another factor would be internal fundraising, with the govt handing over land in those coastal towns in proportion to the amount they invested to build the roads, this provides the incentive structure to invest.

Us muse sultan I contribute 1000 dollar to that bayla &qardho highway İlhan omar my fallow muse sultan went to bayla couple month ago 🫡 her father was hardcore muse sultania his in this picture 2009 dhuudo
All hail to muse sultan @DR OSMAN

 

[Tiyeglow]

My

Us muse sultan I contribute 1000 dollar to that bayla &qardho highway İlhan omar my fallow muse sultan went to bayla couple month ago 🫡 her father was hardcore muse sultania his in this picture 2009 dhuudo
All hail to muse sultan @DR OSMAN
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We are indeed the outsiders aka garabsare of the regal Maxamed Suldaan (Bah Dirooble, Bah Yaqub, Bah Dhulbahante).

 

[Libaax-Joore]

My

We are indeed the outsiders aka garabsare of the regal Maxamed Suldaan (Bah Dirooble, Bah Yaqub, Bah Dhulbahante).

Mohamed sultan
Bah dubeeys
Isxul
Mohamud Yusuf ( bah diroble,bah yaquub,bah dhulbahante)

Bah diroble they are not garabsare they are hoose uguur coastal Osman mohamud

Garabsare inland osman mohamud
Isxul
Amir mohamed
Elmi Mohamed
Muse Mohamed
Bah yaquub
Bah dhulbahante
Bah dubeeys

Hoose ugur coastal Osman mohamud
Muse sultan
Ismail mohamed
Gulled Omar
Yusuf omar
Bah diroble
Ismail sultan
Yusuf sultan
Bah leelkase
Dalal sultan
Bah gareen

 

[Tiyeglow]

Mohamed sultan
Bah dubeeys
Isxul
Mohamud Yusuf ( bah diroble,bah yaquub,bah dhulbahante)

Bah diroble they are not garabsare they are hoose uguur coastal Osman mohamud

Garabsare inland osman mohamud
Isxul
Amir mohamed
Elmi Mohamed
Muse Mohamed
Bah yaquub
Bah dhulbahante
Bah dubeeys

Hoose ugur coastal Osman mohamud
Muse sultan
Ismail mohamed
Gulled Omar
Yusuf omar
Bah diroble
Ismail sultan
Yusuf sultan
Bah leelkase
Dalal sultan
Bah gareen

I hope I do not say this out of partisanship but rather a statement of fact that coastal/littoral groups are far sharper and have greater acuity compared to the traditionally in-land sub-groups. This of course being due to natural instincts of having to always be on defensive mode in case of an attack on their shores. This is actually seen from looking at the wealth & power being concentrated within those traditionally from the coast.

By the way, Bah Gareen should be inland given they are predominantly based in Sheerbi (I'm assuming you put them there because of their presence in Bosaaso though, but their main base is Sheerbi).

 

[Libaax-Joore]

I hope I do not say this out of partisanship but rather a statement of fact that coastal/littoral groups are far sharper and have greater acuity compared to the traditionally in-land sub-groups. This of course being due to natural instincts of having to always be on defensive mode in case of an attack on their shores. This is actually seen from looking at the wealth & power being concentrated within those traditionally from the coast.

By the way, Bah Gareen should be inland given they are predominantly based in Sheerbi (I'm assuming you put them there because of their presence in Bosaaso though, but their main base is Sheerbi).

Yeah because of bosaso they can be both garabsare and hoose ugur

 

[Tiyeglow]

Yeah because of bosaso they can be both garabsare and hoose ugur

Got a breakdown of Muse Suldaan? Ugaryahaan splits into several (Nuur Said Cilmi being Guleed Ugaryahaan), but I'm yet to see a detailed breakdown of the different jiifo of Muse Suldaan. We are the second largest (tied with Bah Yaquub) after all.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Got a breakdown of Muse Suldaan? Ugaryahaan splits into several (Nuur Said Cilmi being Guleed Ugaryahaan), but I'm yet to see a detailed breakdown of the different jiifo of Muse Suldaan. We are the second largest (tied with Bah Yaquub) after all.

Muse sultan subclan are
Mohamed muse
Farah muse
Fahiye muse
Samatar muse
Ismail muse

Muse sultan xafuun
Mohamed muse
Samatar muse
Ismail muse

Muse sultan banderbayla
Farah muse
Fahiye muse

Farah muse subclan
Ugaryahan farah
Mohamud farah

Ugaryahan farah subclan
Mohamed Ugaryahan
Gulled Ugaryahan
Hirsi Ugaryahan

Mohamud farah subclan
Fahiye mohamud
Fahiye subclan
Reer Ali dhere fahiye
Reer sharmarke fahiye

 

[Tiyeglow]

Muse sultan subclan are
Mohamed muse
Farah muse
Fahiye muse
Samatar muse
Ismail muse

Muse sultan xafuun
Mohamed muse
Samatar muse
Ismail muse

Muse sultan banderbayla
Farah muse
Fahiye muse

Farah muse subclan
Ugaryahan farah
Mohamud farah

Ugaryahan farah subclan
Mohamed Ugaryahan
Gulled Ugaryahan
Hirsi Ugaryahan

Mohamud farah subclan
Fahiye mohamud
Fahiye subclan
Reer Ali dhere fahiye
Reer sharmarke fahiye

Amazing work sxb. May Allah bless you.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Bareeda raas caseyr puntland somalia

 

[Tiyeglow]

Muse sultan subclan are
Mohamed muse
Farah muse
Fahiye muse
Samatar muse
Ismail muse

Muse sultan xafuun
Mohamed muse
Samatar muse
Ismail muse

Muse sultan banderbayla
Farah muse
Fahiye muse

Farah muse subclan
Ugaryahan farah
Mohamud farah

Ugaryahan farah subclan
Mohamed Ugaryahan
Gulled Ugaryahan
Hirsi Ugaryahan

Mohamud farah subclan
Fahiye mohamud
Fahiye subclan
Reer Ali dhere fahiye
Reer sharmarke fahiye

Nabadonka muuse suldaan yuu yahay? Wa uu tagay maalin garowe buu joogay

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Nabadonka muuse suldaan yuu yahay? Wa uu tagay maalin garowe buu joogay

He ain’t nabadon his sultanka gud beesha suldan raage shieq mohamud

 

[Tiyeglow]

He ain’t nabadon his sultanka gud beesha suldan raage shieq mohamud

Suldan iyo nabadon aren't the same? Please enlighten me. People keep using the two interchangeably.

Is the Suldaan Farah Muse? If so, yuu ka yahay?

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Suldan iyo nabadon aren't the same? Please enlighten me. People keep using the two interchangeably.

Is the Suldaan Farah Muse? If so, yuu ka yahay?

Mohamed muse

 

[Tiyeglow]

Mohamed muse

Whats pretty hilarious is that pretty much every Muse Suldaan I know and know of is Farah Muse (either Ugaryahan or reer Fahiye Mohamud). Mohamed, Ismail, Samatar, Fahiye all feel non-existent.

You mentioned the Bayla/Xafuun split, do you know which Muse Suldaan's predominantly settled in Konfuur? I want to say a significant majority of Farah Muse over the last 100 years are reer Konfuur (claiming Kismayo as their home rather than Bayla). Me personally I'm 4 generations removed from Bayla and mostly all Farah Muse that I came across are too (although that simply could be selection bias).

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Whats pretty hilarious is that pretty much every Muse Suldaan I know and know of is Farah Muse (either Ugaryahan or reer Fahiye Mohamud). Mohamed, Ismail, Samatar, Fahiye all feel non-existent.

You mentioned the Bayla/Xafuun split, do you know which Muse Suldaan's predominantly settled in Konfuur? I want to say a significant majority of Farah Muse over the last 100 years are reer Konfuur (claiming Kismayo as their home rather than Bayla). Me personally I'm 4 generations removed from Bayla and mostly all Farah Muse that I came across are too (although that simply could be selection bias).

Mohamed muse is the largest muse sultan subclan in Kismaayo and jubbaland

Farah muse largest muse sultan subclan in puntland

Farah muse is the largest muse sultan subclan other muse sultan subclan are larger enough to be thier own