REER UK, WE'RE FINISHED!

[Sigmundd]

It won’t improve until Somalis accept reasonable fatwas from experts and take mortgages. Listening to Wahhabi clerics has destroyed the UK Somali community

Mortgage is riba which is still haram. Just because a sheikh says is allowed doesn't mean we should listen

 

[Abaq]

Mortgage is riba which is still haram. Just because a sheikh says is allowed doesn't mean we should listen

That’s the problem when all you are exposed to is Wahabism. Did you know in the Hanafi fiqh you are allowed to engage in riba in non-Muslim countries? This is why all the hanafi people take mortgages. I suggest you read the fatwa first.

 

[Sigmundd]

That’s the problem when all you are exposed to is Wahabism. Did you know in the Hanafi fiqh you are allowed to engage in riba in non-Muslim countries? This is why all the hanafi people take mortgages. I suggest you read the fatwa first.

Allah law is superior.
“but whoever returns (to riba), such are the dwellers of the Fire — they will abide therein” [al-Baqarah 2:275]

This dunya is temporary. And I'm glad Somalis whoa really fears Allah didnt and still don't engage in riba.

 

[Calaf]

That’s the problem when all you are exposed to is Wahabism. Did you know in the Hanafi fiqh you are allowed to engage in riba in non-Muslim countries? This is why all the hanafi people take mortgages. I suggest you read the fatwa first.

Fiqh, fatwas, none of that supercedes the Quran

Riba in the Quran – The Quranic Teachings

quranicteachings.org

It's haram, no ifs no buts. Allah SWT outright have forbidden riba in all its forms and declared dealing with riba as equal to disbelief. Can you refute the words of Allah SWT? No. Haram is haram even if the "hanafi people" does it.

 

[Sigmundd]

Fiqh, fatwas, none of that supercedes the Quran

Riba in the Quran – The Quranic Teachings

quranicteachings.org

It's haram, no ifs no buts. Allah SWT outright have forbidden riba in all its forms and declared dealing with riba as equal to disbelief. Can you refute the words of Allah SWT? No. Haram is haram even if the "hanafi people" does it.

This is why I don't follow the hanafi anymore.

 

[Calaf]

This is why I don't follow the hanafi anymore.

A madhab, which ever one never superceds or is able to alternate the clear facts, anybody that claims or gives fatwas isn't doing it in good faith.

Mortgage is haram. Student loans is haram. It cannot be refuted in anyway whatsoever

There's other ways to make money to buy a house, no need to justify going into a pit, and you'll see that those that engage in it, they won't gain and neither will their offsprings, in dunya or the hereafter.

 

[NidarNidar]

History have shown that in times of hardship, immigrants are seen as scapegoats and you know what happened after that…



Out of curiosity, they’re your cousins who are in their 30s-40s so i’m assuming you know how they bought it.

It’s not possible without interest in this day and age unless if your parent are rich or you have cash ready to pay upfront.

It's either that or get screwed by rent.

 

[reer]

Ibn Al-Qayyim reported from Abu Amr Ibn al-Salah that he said:
'Whoever follows what the scholars have differed over, and takes the lenient opinions (rukhṣa) from their statements: he has become heretical, or nearly so.'

 

[Ya.dhahay]

Spot on i also noticed how Arabs are ganging up on Indians and Somalis but mor of Somalis due to racism and browny points. I also noticed how Pakistanis and Bengalis are just as worse and are also ganging up on Somalis. Which is weird since we don't have much connection with them. J will never forget hiw the umnah betrayed us.

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[Sigmundd]

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True but I also think they do this to be accepted and get that "cool" point. Timojileec are well known for that and excel in that "sport".

 

[Abaq]

Fiqh, fatwas, none of that supercedes the Quran

Riba in the Quran – The Quranic Teachings

quranicteachings.org

It's haram, no ifs no buts. Allah SWT outright have forbidden riba in all its forms and declared dealing with riba as equal to disbelief. Can you refute the words of Allah SWT? No. Haram is haram even if the "hanafi people" does it.

Ignorance truly is a bliss. Do you people think the scholars are ignorant or that they are faasiqs that will willingly ignore the ayahs of the Quran? Is that just the arrogance you people have in your own petty knowledge or is that how low you think of the scholarss? Do you think Abu Haneefah and the thousands of scholars that came after him would just ignore this ayah when he gave his fatwa? His evidence is a saheeh hadith in Bukhari. But don’t let facts get in the way of your blind emotion.

 

[Abaq]

Ibn Al-Qayyim reported from Abu Amr Ibn al-Salah that he said:
'Whoever follows what the scholars have differed over, and takes the lenient opinions (rukhṣa) from their statements: he has become heretical, or nearly so.'

There are also many scholars who say it is haram to live in the West. So when are you packing your bags? Or do you pick and choose when you feel like it?

 

[Sigmundd]

There are also many scholars who say it is haram to live in the West. So when are you packing your bags? Or do you pick and choose when you feel like it?

It is only haram for those who willingly choose to move to the west not those who are forced to and can't afford to move to a muslim country. Riba is still haram whether people try to normalise it.

 

[Díaz]

It is only haram for those who willingly choose to move to the west not those who are forced to and can't afford to move to a muslim country. Riba is still haram whether people try to normalise it.

We’re all making a conscious decision living here, if you actually wanted to live in a Muslim country all you need is a plane ticket

 

[Sigmundd]

We’re all making a conscious decision living here, if you actually wanted to live in a Muslim country all you need is a plane ticket

I was forced to.move here by my parents. We are here because of my parents escaping civil war, hardship, etc so that's not a conscious decision. I also can't afford to leave the uk so how is that my fault? Use your common sense.

 

[Kisame]

I was forced to.move here by my parents. We are here because of my parents escaping civil war, hardship, etc so that's not a conscious decision. I also can't afford to leave the uk so how is that my fault? Use your common sense.

" I also can't afford to leave the uk so how is that my fault"

Were around the same age broke ass nigga. You could have definitely left if you tried hard enough.

 

[Sigmundd]

" I also can't afford to leave the uk so how is that my fault"

Were around the same age broke ass nigga. You could have definitely left if you tried hard enough.

Kisame you don't know how hard it is to make money in the uk. tax after tax taking your money and rent flying off the roof. Also other muslim has strict visa requirement and only want the best to come to their country to work for them.

 

[Díaz]

Kisame you don't know how hard it is to make money in the uk. tax after tax taking your money and rent flying off the roof. Also other muslim has strict visa requirement and only want the best to come to their country to work for them.

Who said it has to be a gulf country

 

[wonyluvr]

" I also can't afford to leave the uk so how is that my fault"

Were around the same age broke ass nigga. You could have definitely left if you tried hard enough.

Kisame you don't know how hard it is to make money in the uk. tax after tax taking your money and rent flying off the roof. Also other muslim has strict visa requirement and only want the best to come to their country to work for them.

Majority of people in the UK are working class it’s hard to come out of it especially if you are a 1st gen or 2nd gen. @Kisame dont expect the people who are working class or come from homes to just pack up and leave everything they know when especially when they are in their late 20s and 30s!

 

[Kisame]

Kisame you don't know how hard it is to make money in the uk. tax after tax taking your money and rent flying off the roof. Also other muslim has strict visa requirement and only want the best to come to their country to work for them.

Yea but like if your focus was to leave the UK, than you would have found a way by now. You could have earned a degree that could have given you access to better job opportunities in Muslim countries.

You aren't a broke ass teenager