Religious lineages in somaliweyn

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I believe there was religious clans responsible for rain prayers, blessings, etc, before Islam amongst Somalis and some other East Cushitics. Yibir were a religious clan before Islam spread.

Even the term Wadaad is pre Islamic Wad(death) Aad(goes towards death or has an abundance knowledge about the afterlife).

Ps. Fiqishini are a sheikh clan who settled with Dhulbahante.

I’m aware of fiqishini are they the only religious clan in waqooyi ? this wadaad and waraanle culture seems to be more of a galbeed and koonfur culture

 

[Step a side]

Respect for the knowledge on D&M

Ngl, I do like his knowledge on D&M.

 

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@Liḥyān @Chaseyourdreamzz
No Wadaad clan join the tribe, in contrast to the Ogaden our teachers were always homegrown and taught their own subclan members. Sheikhal have always been counted as Martiile Hiraab which has numerous subsub clans besides Sheikhal, like Abdirahim Martiile. It is due to ignorance and propaganda that has seen myths arise. There's a whole Loboge guy on the forum who matched the Hiraab clade which prove the oral tales were real. It remains to be seen what other Sheikhal subclans pair up or have their own clade but it is believed Loboge was buried in the North with his siblings. Majority of other Hawiye subclans have religious sublineages among them. Murursade have Israfil Hasanleey fiqis. HG have Abdale Sacad who are fuqaha and the ancestor of that tribe is buried in Xamar Boondheere, Fiqishini Ayaanle Ayr was sent to the North. Abgaal have numerous sublineages among them who produce their scholars, mainly Celi Cumar. The Galjecel have Reer Sheikh Barsane who were their scholars. If you know Hassan Barsane, his 5th grandfather were all teachers like him. XL have shanta culumo which is a similar structure to Ogaden where foreign clans settle with them as teachers. Ajuran also have a subclan called Aala Sheikh. The Jajeele subclan who carry out religious duties are called Faqi Yacquub.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

@Liḥyān @Chaseyourdreamzz
No Wadaad clan join the tribe, in contrast to the Ogaden our teachers were always homegrown and taught their own subclan members. Sheikhal have always been counted as Martiile Hiraab which has numerous subsub clans besides Sheikhal, like Abdirahim Martiile. It is due to ignorance and propaganda that has seen myths arise. There's a whole Loboge guy on the forum who matched the Hiraab clade which prove the oral tales were real. It remains to be seen what other Sheikhal subclans pair up or have their own clade but it is believed Loboge was buried in the North with his siblings. Majority of other Hawiye subclans have religious sublineages among them.

Sheekhaal is a title, only sheekhaal looboge, sheekhaal adeer and sheekhaal martiile are from Martiile hiiraab, sheekhaal adeer being descendants of adeer of looboge and sheekhaal martiile being descendants of adeer of adeer of looboge.

Sheekhaal looboge claim their progenitor Sacdi daud, great great great grandfather of Aw Axmed Looboge, is buried in a town near Afgooye .

There's a sheekhaal cabdi sheekh ( who are Maxamed Mudulood) that has e-m293 haplogroup on 23andme

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Sheekhaal is a title, only sheekhaal looboge, sheekhaal adeer and sheekhaal martiile are from Martiile hiiraab, sheekhaal adeer being descendants of adeer of looboge and sheekhaal martiile being descendants of adeer of adeer of looboge.

Sheekhaal looboge claim their progenitor Sacdi daud, great great great grandfather of Aw Axmed Looboge, is buried in a town near Afgooye .

There's a sheekhaal cabdi sheekh ( who are Maxamed Mudulood) that has e-m293 haplogroup on 23andme

That’s interesting I believe aw qutub is buried in sheikh city in gobolka togdheer

 

[mohammdov]

Only some Arabs in the Banadir and Harar coast and a few Somalis who studied abroad, were considered sheikhs
As for those Sufis they had nothing to do with religion. Rather religion was like trade to them.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Only some Arabs in the Banadir and Harar coast and a few Somalis who studied abroad, were considered sheikhs
As for those Sufis they had nothing to do with religion. Rather religion was like trade to them.

One of my clan members was said to have studied in al azhar this was a couple hundred years ago he taught a lot of people Somalis We’re more educated then you think back then

 

[mohammdov]

One of my clan members was said to have studied in al azhar this was a couple hundred years ago he taught a lot of people Somalis We’re more educated then you think back then

I'm talking about the clans that you call religious. It was always the small clans that became religious because in Somali culture they did not raid the sheikhs. It was taboo
Religiosity protected them, otherwise they would have been killed and extinct
There are few Somali sheikhs. But it is impossible to compare them with those in the Banadir and Harar
Read some of their books and you'll know what I mean

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

That’s interesting I believe aw qutub is buried in sheikh city in gobolka togdheer

Yh he's buried there, sheekhaal Cali cafiif claim same origin as them tho, but idk where their progenitor is buried

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I'm talking about the clans that you call religious. It was always the small clans that became religious because in Somali culture they did not raid the sheikhs. It was taboo
Religiosity protected them, otherwise they would have been killed and extinct
There are few Somali sheikhs. But it is impossible to compare them with those in the Banadir and Harar
Read some of their books and you'll know what I mean

Your right harar and banadir were the centres of Islamic learning in the Horn of Africa it’s unfair to compare them to other regions

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Page from Richard burtons book describing how religious lineages get adopted into major clans

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

@Step a side

Richard burton believed looboge where adopted by hiiraab a theory which has since been disproven by DNA since they match other hiiraab clans

 

[Step a side]

@Step a side

Richard burton believed looboge where adopted by hiiraab a theory which has since been disproven by DNA since they match other hiiraab clans

I don’t blame Richard. I believe he must have been told this.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Page from Richard burtons book describing how religious lineages get adopted into major clans View attachment 312042

Lots of mistakes, sheikh looboge is a descendant of martiile hiraab, he's not assimilated nor are his descendants. An example of a religious group that are part of a clan by alliance would be the waaqbarre of Dabarre or Waalamoge of Eelay

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

@Step a side

Richard burton believed looboge where adopted by hiiraab a theory which has since been disproven by DNA since they match other hiiraab clans

Their oral history is enough to disprove it even without DNA, also the oral history of two other clans sheekhaal adeer and sheekhaal martiile both back it up, I doubt Richard Burton interacted with them even

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Their oral history is enough to disprove it even without DNA, also the oral history of two other clans sheekhaal adeer and sheekhaal martiile both back it up, I doubt Richard Burton interacted with them even

Richard burton is more familiar with northern and galbeed clans he relies heavily on third party information when it comes to the south

 

[Garaad Awal]

What haplogroups do these “Religious” lineages carry? I know the Sheekhaal Aw Qudub are E-M183 (Berber/NW African)

 

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What haplogroups do these “Religious” lineages carry? I know the Sheekhaal Aw Qudub are E-M183 (Berber/NW African)

Sheikhaal loobaage aka “Martiile Hiiraab” got the Hiiraab sub clade. Not sure about the other Sheikhaal. There is an Arussi Oromo from Bale who claims ashraaf lineage that ordered big Y. On 23&me he got E-V32

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

What haplogroups do these “Religious” lineages carry? I know the Sheekhaal Aw Qudub are E-M183 (Berber/NW African)

Looboge are the same as other hiiraab muumin aadan xer have daarood subclade not sure of the rest

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

A excerpt from Somali scholar said samatar book describing the term Xer