Saudi Arabia to reconcile with Bashar al Assad in Syria

[Aurelian]

Bashar is terrible but he remains better than ISIS. The apposition got run over by ISIS and they surrendered to them or fought among themselves.

Bashar outsmart them all.

The opposition is and was being fighting both ISIS and bashaar. The only clever bashaar did was giving the country to Iran and Russia

 

[Basra]

‘Times have changed’: Saudi Arabia-Syria in rapprochement talks

After years of conflict, Riyadh now views Damascus as an expedient avenue to shore up broader regional interests.

www.aljazeera.com

They have had a change of heart and finally accepted him as the true President and rightful ruler of syria. Where are those Salafi bootyclappers who used to call Assad govt an evil kaafir regime?

I guess now the Saudi paid agents shall now support Bashar

Saudi is officially entering Putin & Xi China Dictatorship club. The problem is: Saudis nuclear weapon is Camel ride & Camel drooping Saliva anti-dote

 

[Kanan]

The opposition is and was being fighting both ISIS and bashaar. The only clever bashaar did was giving the country to Iran and Russia

Free Syria Army devolved into dozens of units fighting each other. Now they're part of Syrian National Army along with dozen other movements under protection of Turkey. They used to be hyped on news all the time as freedom fighters lol.

 

[Kanan]

Unsurprisingly Syria is stable and is making progress while you're average person in the cursed Somali gobols gaajo iyo rafaad damanaynin ay ku juran. Getting rid of Siad Barre was a mistake.

You'll all deny it because of qabil but that man was better than the alternative we have now. At least we wouldn't have kids crying for aabo ingriis iyo talyani to come back and save them from what their lovely qabil members they support did.

Or he could step down. Assad withstood the test of time and allowed Nusra to flourish in Syria so that they compete with FSA. He freed prisoners from xabsi and let them join apposition to label them all as radicals. Very smart.


Siad Barre failed to keep control despite divide and conquer tactics he eventually cracked down on everyone and they all turned against him.


Assad is 20 years younger and less experienced than Barre when his civil war break out but fared much better.

 

[Anubis]

I assume now that they reconciled with Qatar, they want the Qatari pipeline to Syria to compete with Russia in Europe.

Saudi is planning to import Qatari gas to replace the oil it uses for it's energy which would provide them with extra revenue from their oil export.

 

[Yukon_Niner]

I assume now that they reconciled with Qatar, they want the Qatari pipeline to Syria to compete with Russia in Europe.

Honestly I doubt anything is going to compete with Russian energy exports in the EU. They're too important to nations like Germany for them to be replaced.

Or he could step down. Assad withstood the test of time and allowed Nusra to flourish in Syria so that they compete with FSA. He freed prisoners from xabsi and let them join apposition to label them all as radicals. Very smart.


Siad Barre failed to keep control despite divide and conquer tactics he eventually cracked down on everyone and they all turned against him.


Assad is 20 years younger and less experienced than Barre when his civil war break out but fared much better.

The man was less than a few months away from getting destroyed until he was saved by Vladimir. Ascribing a fool's luck to intelligence is a fallacious argument. Fella managed to put himself at the will of every power within the region.

He fared better because his nation was in a prime area for gas pipelines that would serve the European market which is unsurprisingly Russia's core market, something they're not okay with. The Islamic pipeline was their preference. Aside from that its a key ally in a volatile region the US is leaving with an important port (Tartus) that allows the Russians to replenish and repair their naval forces.

 

[World]

Or he could step down. Assad withstood the test of time and allowed Nusra to flourish in Syria so that they compete with FSA. He freed prisoners from xabsi and let them join apposition to label them all as radicals. Very smart.


Siad Barre failed to keep control despite divide and conquer tactics he eventually cracked down on everyone and they all turned against him.


Assad is 20 years younger and less experienced than Barre when his civil war break out but fared much better.

There are different religions and ethnicities in Syria, and only one religion and ethnicity in Somalia. Syria had 2 major powers backing them(Iran and Russia). Also there were no terrorists in Somalia, unlike in Syria.

 

[TekNiKo]

Bashar is the only Arab Spring survivor, Ali Abdelleh Salah from Yemen was killed, Qaddafi had a pole stuck up his dead body, Mubarak from Egypt died in prison, Tunisian leader Ben Ali fled

Nigga is a boss

 

[Jaale]

Imagine if all those Abdi al-Sumaal could see now that they died like dogs in the desert for some geopolitical tussle sold to them as a "Khalifate".

 

[Anubis]

Bashar is the only Arab Spring survivor, Ali Abdelleh Salah from Yemen was killed, Qaddafi had a pole stuck up his dead body, Mubarak from Egypt died in prison, Tunisian leader Ben Ali fled

Nigga is a boss

Hosni Mubarak was acquitted of all charges and lived the last 3 years of his life outside of prison. He was never actually in prison despite being sentenced to life in prison he spent his time in a lavish military hospital which overlooked the river Nile, he was free to order meals anytime he wished, and his family and friends could come and go as they wished. He spent his time watching TV and catching up with friends whom he wasn't able to talk to during his presidency. He died a happy man as he was able to witness the acquittal of his sons (who were being accused of financial crimes) a few days before his death.

 

[TekNiKo]

Hosni Mubarak was acquitted of all charges and lived the last 3 years of his life outside of prison. He was never actually in prison despite being sentenced to life in prison he spent his time in a lavish military hospital which overlooked the river Nile, he was free to order meals anytime he wished, and his family and friends could come and go as they wished. He spent his time watching TV and catching up with friends whom he wasn't able to talk to during his presidency. He died a happy man as he was able to witness the acquittal of his sons (who were being accused of financial crimes) a few days before his death.

Because of that bastard Sissi who eased his prison time. If Morsi was still in power he wouldve rotted in prison.

 

[HiraanBorn]

‘Times have changed’: Saudi Arabia-Syria in rapprochement talks

After years of conflict, Riyadh now views Damascus as an expedient avenue to shore up broader regional interests.

www.aljazeera.com

They have had a change of heart and finally accepted him as the true President and rightful ruler of syria. Where are those Salafi bootyclappers who used to call Assad govt an evil kaafir regime?

I guess now the Saudi paid agents shall now support Bashar

They will now offer support to an Alawite who believes in and I quote from Wikipedia: "For one, the Alawites drink wine as Ali's transubstantiated essence in their rituals; while other Muslims abstain from alcohol, Alawites are encouraged to drink socially in moderation. Finally, they also believe in reincarnation."
So much for the Saudi tradition of demonising rival sects where are the Sspoters who love to booty clap for the Saudis?

 

[Kanan]

There are different religions and ethnicities in Syria, and only one religion and ethnicity in Somalia. Syria had 2 major powers backing them(Iran and Russia). Also there were no terrorists in Somalia, unlike in Syria.

That makes him look worse. Assad is a Shia minority that's why it was easy to rally cry majority Sunni against him. Homogeneous people like Somalis are supposed to have better conflict resolution process. Especially when the state monopolized media and public relations in 80s era were there was no smart phones or social media.



He legit riled everyone up including the very city he resides in that's like Ali Saleh declaring his support for Saudi while staying inside Houthi controlled territory. He got shot the next day.


Barre had American, Italian & Gulf states support for much of the 80s and still lost control of most of the country by 1990.


Assad had radicals flocking to Syria from all walks of life with generous support from Turkey, Jordan & Qatar. Rag tag Somali rebels had support of Ethiopia and Libya.


There is no comparison between the two. Syria was far more difficult and treacherous to navigate. Somalia was a straight up buffoonery.

 

[TekNiKo]

That makes him look worse. Assad is a Shia minority that's why it was easy to rally cry majority Sunni against him. Homogeneous people like Somalis are supposed to have better conflict resolution process. Especially when the state monopolized media and public relations in 80s era were there was no smart phones or social media.



He legit riled everyone up including the very city he resides in that's like Ali Saleh declaring his support for Saudi while staying inside Houthi controlled territory. He got shot the next day.


Barre had American, Italian & Gulf states support for much of the 80s and still lost control of most of the country by 1990.


Assad had radicals flocking to Syria from all walks of life with generous support from Turkey, Jordan & Qatar. Rag tag Somali rebels had support of Ethiopia and Libya.


There is no comparison between the two. Syria was far more difficult and treacherous to navigate. Somalia was a straight up buffoonery.

Dont forget all the foreign countries gunning for Assad unlike Barre, you had whole of EU and NATO bulwark against him. Billions of dollars in CIA and Arab khaliji states were against him too. The dude navigated the most difficult situation and still came out on top his two allies Iran and Russia really pulled through

 

[Kanan]

The man was less than a few months away from getting destroyed until he was saved by Vladimir. Ascribing a fool's luck to intelligence is a fallacious argument. Fella managed to put himself at the will of every power within the region.

He fared better because his nation was in a prime area for gas pipelines that would serve the European market which is unsurprisingly Russia's core market, something they're not okay with. The Islamic pipeline was their preference. Aside from that its a key ally in a volatile region the US is leaving with an important port (Tartus) that allows the Russians to replenish and repair their naval forces.

Disingenuous argument.

Somalia was also an ally to America who had exclusive access to Berbera, why did they stop supporting Siad Barre and all weapons export to his regime in 1989? Because the world just knew about his atrocities putting America on the spot. When you pursue polices that are in conflict with the values of your biggest ally don't get shocked when they let go of you.

Peep the date of this article, less than a year later his regime collapsed.

MASSACRE IN SOMALIA SPURRED SHIFT IN U.S. POLICY - The Washington Post

 

[Kanan]

Dont forget all the foreign countries gunning for Assad unlike Barre, you had whole of EU and NATO bulwark against him. Billions of dollars in CIA and Arab khaliji states were against him too. The dude navigated the most difficult situation and still came out on top his two allies Iran and Russia really pulled through

Media war was so intense between 2012 -2016 almost all global networks have taken the side of rebels to the point average viewer got desensitized from war in Syria. It become so normal and daily reported.


By the time war raged on in Aleppo a lot of people who previously supported rebels shifted to Assad. They got sick of egregious human right violations committed by rebels. They proved to be no better than Assad so average person distance himself from apposition.


Well played.

 

[celidheere]

You love to see it

 

[Yukon_Niner]

Disingenuous argument.

Somalia was also an ally to America who had exclusive access to Berbera, why did they stop supporting Siad Barre and all weapons export to his regime in 1989? Because the world just knew about his atrocities putting America on the spot. When you pursue polices that are in conflict with the values of your biggest ally don't get shocked when they let go of you.

Peep the date of this article, less than a year later his regime collapsed.

MASSACRE IN SOMALIA SPURRED SHIFT IN U.S. POLICY - The Washington Post

The US has supported authoritarians committing massacres and genocides at the same time period. At least make it believable. Somalia lost its relevance and the cold War was coming to an end plus the guerrilla movements were kicking off, the US had no interests there because the costs outweighed the benefits.

“Berbera is more a convenience than a necessity for the United States now. There are better facilities in Oman and in Mombasa, Kenya,” one diplomat said. “It is a marriage of convenience only, but you won’t see any great U.S. military buildup in Berbera.

6 years later after this article Somalia would collapse. The military deteriorated, the base was becoming less important and the US had little interest in propping up another one of its client states that didn't have much importance. Human rights is a secondary thought to the US and it still is.

Assad and Syria are important to the Kremlin and that's why he's still in power. Ascribing it to Assad's intelligence is something only a fucking idiot could do, that man would've been dead hadn't it been for Russia saving his ass.

 

[reer]

Assad and Syria are important to the Kremlin and that's why he's still in power. Ascribing it to Assad's intelligence is something only a fucking idiot could do, that man would've been dead hadn't it been for Russia saving his ass.

dont forget iran supporting them and hezbollah supporting them. they train shias from different countries to fight for assad. the syrian army would have been beaten or atleast syrian alawite power destroyed.

 

[Kanan]

The US has supported authoritarians committing massacres and genocides at the same time period. At least make it believable. Somalia lost its relevance and the cold War was coming to an end plus the guerrilla movements were kicking off, the US had no interests there because the costs outweighed the benefits.

“Berbera is more a convenience than a necessity for the United States now. There are better facilities in Oman and in Mombasa, Kenya,” one diplomat said. “It is a marriage of convenience only, but you won’t see any great U.S. military buildup in Berbera.

6 years later after this article Somalia would collapse. The military deteriorated, the base was becoming less important and the US had little interest in propping up another one of its client states that didn't have much importance. Human rights is a secondary thought to the US and it still is.

Assad and Syria are important to the Kremlin and that's why he's still in power. Ascribing it to Assad's intelligence is something only a fucking idiot could do, that man would've been dead hadn't it been for Russia saving his ass.

The US has supported authoritarians committing massacres and genocides at the same time period. At least make it believable. Somalia lost its relevance and the cold War was coming to an end plus the guerrilla movements were kicking off, the US had no interests there because the costs outweighed the benefits.

“Berbera is more a convenience than a necessity for the United States now. There are better facilities in Oman and in Mombasa, Kenya,” one diplomat said. “It is a marriage of convenience only, but you won’t see any great U.S. military buildup in Berbera.

6 years later after this article Somalia would collapse. The military deteriorated, the base was becoming less important and the US had little interest in propping up another one of its client states that didn't have much importance. Human rights is a secondary thought to the US and it still is.

Assad and Syria are important to the Kremlin and that's why he's still in power. Ascribing it to Assad's intelligence is something only a fucking idiot could do, that man would've been dead hadn't it been for Russia saving his ass.

Is that supposed to solidify your argument? US supports brutal dictators all the time, what made them drop Barre in the last minute is the exposure of his atrocities to main stream media. Again his own fault.



You left out the part were it says Barre's domestic policies and unreliable Somali army contributed to the decline of Somalia's geo-political appeal for the Americans. So yes it only reinforce my point about his legendary incompetence.

Despite Somalia's decline in importance US still kept delivering weapons & ammunition for 5 years ahead to keep Soviets away. So miss me with that B.S excuse about Somalia's importance a year later US launched operation restore.

Bashar Al Asad had the entire western world coming after him he turned his enemies against one another fighting religious, sectarian and ethnic insurgency. A multi layered civil war.


Siad Barre in comparison could not subdue or reconcile with couple Somali clans despite enjoying superior weaponry & international support for much of the 80s.

If Americans let go of him than one could argue that Ethiopia also let go of Somali rebel groups. DERG was all but finished in 1991 His government could not survive without international handouts for more than 1 year, let that sink in.