Saudi Scholar: You must obey the ruler even if he has GAY SEX every night

[Samaalic Era]

That’s in there opinion, islamically nothing wrong with it, umayaah did it

Abdullah ibn zubayr Rebelled, so did Husayn ibn Ali.

 

[Tukraq]

Abdullah ibn zubayr Rebelled, so did Husayn ibn Ali.

These Saudi “scholars” just harp on obviously wrong ideas like this to try and preserve the crown in ksa truth is rebellion is allowed

 

[Samaalic Era]

It’s an actual Hadith, just search it up. In Islam, your only allowed to rebel in extreme cases. The reason why the deen is so strict on rebellions is because of the greater evil it can bring after the leader has been removed. Islam cares about the greater good of the society.

“You should listen and obey them, even if the ruler strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1847

Sheikh al Fawzan explained this:


Sheikh Assim al Hakeem also explain this:

Walal, would you seriously obey a leader whos engaged in homosexuality?

 

[Misil]

It’s an actual Hadith, just search it up. In Islam, your only allowed to rebel in extreme cases. The reason why the deen is so strict on rebellions is because of the greater evil it can bring after the leader has been removed. Islam cares about the greater good of the society.

“You should listen and obey them, even if the ruler strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1847

Sheikh al Fawzan explained this:


Sheikh Assim al Hakeem also explain this:

Bro neither of them mentioned the hadith

 

[astorecalledkmart]

This isn't Islam - this is nonsense being spewed by dictators to keep their people in check

Literally every Prophet rebelled against corrupt leadership

 

[Tukraq]

This isn't Islam - this is nonsense being spewed by dictators to keep their people in check

Literally every Prophet rebelled against corrupt leadership

Exactly would be unislamic not to rebel

 

[Ayubi]

This isn't Islam - this is nonsense being spewed by dictators to keep their people in check

Literally every Prophet rebelled against corrupt leadership

That’s because they were kaffir tyrant dictators who crossed the line. You can’t compare a Muslim ruler to a Non Muslim.

 

[Ayubi]

Walal, would you seriously obey a leader whos engaged in homosexuality?

I wouldn’t but he has to have certain conditions. If he rules by the Sharia, he’s a Muslim and he keeps his Nasty behaviour to himself.

Who would you rather have ruling you @Samaalic Era? A Muslim leader who drinks alcohol and commits sins but rules by the sharia or Warlords, anarchists, Terrorists and overall instability ruling you like in Somalia?

I’m not speaking from my subjective opinions, I try to quote Islamic opinions on it.

 

[Tukraq]

I wouldn’t but he has to have certain conditions. If he rules by the Sharia, he’s a Muslim and he keeps his Nasty behaviour to himself.

Who would you rather have ruling you @Samaalic Era? A Muslim leader who drinks alcohol and commits sins but rules by the sharia or Warlords, anarchists, Terrorists and overall instability ruling you like in Somalia?

I’m not speaking from my subjective opinions, I try to quote Islamic opinions on it.

I’d take the somalia situation personally

 

[Samaalic Era]

I wouldn’t but he has to have certain conditions. If he rules by the Sharia, he’s a Muslim and he keeps his Nasty behaviour to himself.

Who would you rather have ruling you @Samaalic Era? A Muslim leader who drinks alcohol and commits sins but rules by the sharia or Warlords, anarchists, Terrorists and overall instability ruling you like in Somalia?

I’m not speaking from my subjective opinions, I try to quote Islamic opinions on it.

Once a leader indulges in major sins, the state will naturally suffer. Ministers and others will gain hold of the state bring its collaspe. Anarchy is not an option,Revolution is at times necessary

 

[astorecalledkmart]

That’s because they were kaffir tyrant dictators who crossed the line. You can’t compare a Muslim ruler to a Non Muslim.

Surah Baqrah verse 191 states that oppression is worse than slaughter. An evil tyrant is evil and must be replaced by good, humane leadership

Walaal, the man in the video said you had to obey someone who was drunk, hurting innocent people, and practicing sodomy, simply because he was the ruler. If the person he described is not a kaffir, then Iblis the accursed is not a kaffir.

Pharaoh himself took the shahadah at death (albeit it was rejected of him). Simply saying one is Muslim is not the same as actually being Muslim, and so the argument that it's haraam to oppose a corrupt leader because they say they are Muslim is also untrue.

 

[Samaalic Era]

@Ayubi
Muslim Spain is a fine example. Leaders were busy amassing harems of 6000 concubines and you had servants and slaves calling the shots. One Emir was even controlled by his own mother who was making decisions without consulting anyone and signing treaties which were detrimental

 

[TekNiKo]

SOME Caliphs in islamic history.had pedastry fetish, a famous Arab poet was renowned for his poems about ghulaam, search Abu Nuwaais. NO way I am condoning it but ots a reality and muslims back then did not rebel. This is not a sufficient reason to rebel against the ruler as it is not kufr. Those Caliphs had more honour and defended the diin more than the pathetic leaders of today.

 

[Misil]

This isn't Islam - this is nonsense being spewed by dictators to keep their people in check

Literally every Prophet rebelled against corrupt leadership

You've hit the nail on the head. These scholars are found in both salafi and sufi circles. You'll find madkhali scholars rubber stamping their dictators actions using the salafi card. And you'll also get the braindead pacifist sufis approving of dictators in the case of Syria and India.

I must say, in my experience anyway, the sufi type is not talked about as much. This needs to change especially in India where the tariqa leaders are not exactly rubber stamping Modi, but aren't as vocal as they should be or they just turn a blind eye. If this doesn't change, I fear for the survival of Muslims in India.

 

[astorecalledkmart]

Yes, there really hasn't been an ideal Muslim state since the death of the Nabi sallallahu alaihi wasallam

As was mentioned earlier, Muawiyah ibn Abu Sufyan became the ruler after murdering Ali RA, and established himself as the first dictator in Islamic history. The silence of the Muslim public led to the murder of the Prophet's sallallahu alaihi wasallam grandchildren and is the reason why we have so much strife and division between Sunni and Shia, as well as even more corrupt dictatorships today.

 

[Factz]

Madkhali's are donkeys.

Salafis are very sectarian. I've debated these people in the past and I can tell you. They are misguided people. They are not the people of Ahlul Sunnah.

 

[Faahiye]

Yes, there really hasn't been an ideal Muslim state since the death of the Nabi sallallahu alaihi wasallam

As was mentioned earlier, Muawiyah ibn Abu Sufyan became the ruler after murdering Ali RA, and established himself as the first dictator in Islamic history. The silence of the Muslim public led to the murder of the Prophet's sallallahu alaihi wasallam grandchildren and is the reason why we have so much strife and division between Sunni and Shia, as well as even more corrupt dictatorships today.

@astorecalledkmart,

Sayyidina Ali was assassinated by the khawarij. Who also attempted to assassinate Sayyidina Muawiya along with Amr ibn al Aas. Slandering a companion is a major sin and it is of utmost Importance to have respect for them


Best,

Faahiye

 

[Misil]

Yes, there really hasn't been an ideal Muslim state since the death of the Nabi sallallahu alaihi wasallam

As was mentioned earlier, Muawiyah ibn Abu Sufyan became the ruler after murdering Ali RA, and established himself as the first dictator in Islamic history. The silence of the Muslim public led to the murder of the Prophet's sallallahu alaihi wasallam grandchildren and is the reason why we have so much strife and division between Sunni and Shia, as well as even more corrupt dictatorships today.

Damn bro relax

That's a gross generalisation, you don't wanna sound like a Shia apologetic

 

[astorecalledkmart]

@astorecalledkmart,

Sayyidina Ali was assassinated by the khawarij. Who also attempted to assassinate Sayyidina Muawiya along with Amr ibn al Aas. Slandering a companion is a major sin and it is of utmost Importance to have respect for them


Best,

Faahiye

JazakAllah khair - you are right in that it was the khwarji who assassinated Ali RA, but it was the fitna created by Muawiyah who assumed power illegally and gifted it to his son Yazid that led to the lasting turmoil and corruption in the Muslim world present to this day. Allah SWT will judge him, but his legacy is not one that I respect

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

What type of f*ck shit is this?

 

[Teflon]

What type of f*ck shit is this?

dunno its a gay topic tho