Xasan Daahir Aweys, the ideological head of the UIC, slit the throats of people sheltering in mosques in Puntland in 1992. Don’t talk about things you don’t understand.
Secret Recording of Abdullahi Yusuf AUN released and Abdiqaasim
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Generally agree with what you're saying, but just a slight correction, there is no way the ICU would have militarily defeated Puntland, let alone capturing Galkacyo. All it would have led to is a stalemate, an exact replica of the civil war, that's it.
In fact, I'd argue their ambitions would have eventually led to Darood being united again, and the ICU being destroyed, just like the USC. Remember, it was Aideed (AUN) who waged war on the Somali people, envisioning the USC would lead Somalia, and what did that get him, in the end? A bullet to the head by his very own clansmen, just saying, people give way too much credit to the ICU.
CanoGeel
"Show respect to all people, but grovel to none"
Wudnt go at length educating the ignorant or the willingly blind on "Aikido politics" or breaking down the "political realism" but Prez Yusuf AUN (I wasn't his biggest fan cus wasn't Pol Wise but BOY WAS I WRONG) was miles ahead of his contemporaries and acted with urgency to seize the opportunity to found the nation again.
not infallible but the man's political conquest was blessing in disguise and best thing to happen to his detractors in down south who after long denial wound up singing his praises.
literally put blood sweet and tears into almost singlehandedly forging a nation from the ashes with sacrifice , selflessness outstanding Diplomacy but most of all unbreakably strong will to see his efforts come into fruition and
Oh well some measured barbarian quelling generalissimo as last resort .
Hail the founder
The Islamic courts Union had implemented law and order for the first time since 1991 in 2006. After more than a decade of mooryanism/lawless, the ICU had cleaned up warlords etc and encourage the rebuilding and the cleanup of Mogadishu and the rest of their control areas. During their rule, crime rate plummeted, electricity was being installed in Mogadishu, there was a sense of hope and optimism in the atmosphere, people had a sense peace and stability, the Aden Adde international airport was opened and international flights was coming into Mogadishu for the first time since 1991 thanks to the peace and the seriousness of ICU implementing LAW and ORDER.
Say what you want about Islamic Courts Union, but the ICU was the only one after Siad barre regime that ensured law and order. There’s was a reason why Ethiopia was threatened and called daddy USA to defeat ICU.
Now we have a weak Federal government written by Meles Zenawi TPLF who wanted to see Somalia being divided, and he did achieve it. Somalia can’t even protect their own cities let alone their sovereignty. Somalia right now is dirt poor and divided, and Ethiopia and Kenya want to keep Somalia status quo.
bidenkulaha
GalYare
This man is rotting in hell. Zero achievements. Only Somali to ever bring in the xabeshis for 1000s of years. The biggest traitor to the Somali people.
He died begging in Yemen and was replaced by the ICU who he was fighting after absorbed into government.
Exiled!
Any Somali patriot pretending they mean ‘AUN’ when this man’s name is brought up is lying but being courteous
bidenkulaha
GalYare
Xasan Dahir Aweys is an innocent man! Stop lying on his name. You just hate Shariah iska aamus qashinyahow
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very good points bro. But also these xoolo warlords literally had spaaro in the airport. Carved out the capital
and embarrassingly the government was not even based in Somalia but abroad. Not her own capital
I wish we did not invite a 1000 year old enemy who’d aped and murdered.
did you see how when they came in all the sudden we saw alshabab rise? Ethiopians definitely fund alshabab
anyways it’s really hard topic. He literally had to choose between the country being a completely failed state or using the oldest enemy the Somali race has
if those warlords just allowed him to have the government in xamar instead of blocking him and refusing any semblance of government we would most likely not be here
it’s really hard but someone had to finally make the decision Abdullahi Yusuf made bro. Some one had to intervene or there would be no country and state would have been completely failed
Only Ethiopian benefit. They funded the warlord. Then acted like the heroes and then funded the alkabab so they screwed Somalia in every way
I think this is why zinawi died so young. Allah gave him the worst brain cancer or something. It was the blood shed he committed and never mind his wars with Ogaden and ONLF so dude was really cursed for what he did
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Ethiopia was never threatened by a Somalia that had half its territory (Puntland/Somaliland) AWOL, you're lying to yourselves. ICU was crushed, you all abandoned your cause and what you proclaimed to stand for, like rats fleeing a sinking ship. I actually feel sorry for you, anyone who believes ICU was a genuine threat to Ethiopia is intellectually challenged, end of.
Puntland/Somaliland exist because of Hawiye, SNM were more than willing to play ball with a post Barre government, however, once they saw the carnage caused by your USC ilk, they called it quits. After several years of Majeerteen waiting for peace and cooperation, Puntland was formed on account of the Souths unwillingness to quell Anarchy.
Let me make this absolutely clear, Puntland/Somaliland exist thanks to Hawiye, it was your actions that killed Somalia, and its corpse will forever lay at your feet.
bidenkulaha
GalYare
As long as the FGS stays a HAG institution, this is good for Hawiye interests.
Somalia can rebuild but it will be rebuilt on our terms. SL and PL can stay on an island of irrelevancy while we consolidate our control over Central and Southern Somalia. We have no interest in sharing with PL/SL the South’s riches. PL should stick to its little desert and save us the bother of mucaarad every term
it has to be done finally bro. Someone had to finally break the ape behaviour and be a statesmen. The government was based abroad how embarrassing is that
warlords had two spaaroo at the airport. Horta I don’t even know why he did not pick a new capital city. He was the president after all. Picked somewhere safer
someone had to break the warlords and the Xoolo monkey behaviour eventually or you would have had a completely failed state
Yusuf was in Ethiopian prison for 6 years and knew how nasty they were but he was left very little choice
what government has her capital abroad and politicians abroad ?
horta why didn’t Puntland break away isaaq style since they had the chance ?
man is literally claiming whole south. Are you forgetting Jubbaland Biden ?
I am sure you wouldn’t want to start unnecessary war with Absame in Jubbaland. It will burn the whole south for next 50 years bro. We spent 29 years fighting the British empire and kicked them out and then every moryaan including siad barre last 40 years
keep to HAG land in the south and let eley be our buffer bro. Other wise it will be constant war and mayhem. Let’s each develop our regions before we day dream about invading other man’s lands because I don’t get beat easily. I do t give up and you know that.
if you were in his shoes and your government was based in Nairobi and capital was run like a zoo by warlords what would you have done ?
it was not easy bro but many HAG were on his side and worked with him. His PM was abgaal.
The bolded part makes zero sense since all the warlords were in AY cabinet. Ethiopia has always been the benefactor of the warlords in South. Qeybdiid, Maxamad Dheere, Xuseyn Caydiid, Muuse Suudi, Barre Hiraale to name a few where on AY and Ethiopias side. Well one can't be surprised since AY himself was a warlord he merely employed his warlord collegues who were driven out by ICU and its various allies.
It is true that Ethiopia saw the Islamic unity in South Somalia and the stability it created in such a short term as a threat. Emboldened by the Bush admins war on terror Ethiopians began their campaing against ICU.
But saying that our head of state had no influence over the matter is a big fat lie. Ethiopian ivasions legal excuse was that it was providing military assistance to the internationally recognised government. In essence Ethiopia could only launch invasion of such proportions due to AY administrations blessing.
If our head of state was condemning Ethiopian invasion in UN I assure you international community would have had to intervene. It would have been pretty much the same scenario of Russo Ukrainian war. One UN member state invading another one.
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Nigga, you're a third world shithole, what the hell are you on about?
Wrong, but for arguments sake, let's say that Hawiye were victimised by some conspiracy dreamed up by Darood & Isaaq, why haven't you kicked out AMISON? Why are they still allowed to patrol your streets? And rape your women? Face it, your leaders are complicit with this whole farce, HAG would have at least some footing to stand on, if you waged war on AMISON, and made it absolutely clear, that no foreign forces will be administering "your" capital, but you haven't, at all.
Bro, puntland, somaliland, jubaland etc are all fourth world shitholes, imagine arguing about whether your own shitholes is better than other shitholes.
This is why Somalis are in this current situation, the whole country is dirt poor, suffering from draught etc and you guys are out here saying “ma region is better than yours”, while you guys chilling in the west in your confort zone, while the people in YOUR REGION don’t care about “ma puntland is better than ma jubaland” and vice verse. It’s all about survival, “where’s my food and water”? Etc, stop this 19 century beef and come back to the 21st century in a civilised world in which the forefront of the agenda is development, jobs and security, rather than “ma qabil this ma qabil that”, no wonder Somalia is a shithole.
bidenkulaha
GalYare
Absolutely this. Smart guy
Exactly, Somalia is a lawless desolate hell-hole, that is a given. I have never subscribed to the whole "muh shithole is better than yours", but the fact remains is that this country is dead. Who killed it? Which clan takes responsibility for constantly waging war, fitnah, and destruction? I'm sorry, but the mess lays at your feet, man up and look within.
Why don't you take your own advice? Al-Shabab didn't spring up in the Northern regions, neither did CIA backed death squads, or isbhaaro wars, none of this was present in the North, not even the deep South (Juba/NFD), Hawiye failed the nation, and most importantly themselves, this isn't qabilayad sxb, it's reality.
