Sheikh Dr. Yusuf al-Qaradawi admonishes Muslims for not doing their best to have a developed and independent civilization

Omar del Sur

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Well my friend. I want sharia to be implemented but I am not gonna decide wether a leader in a Muslim majority country is excused by the kufr duna kufr or if he isnt. That is up to the scholars of each land to decide. We have salafi scholars in our land, I believe so does many muslim countries.

As laymans we cant make an individual fatwas like that.

I am not talking about any specific ruler. I am talking about in general and I am talking about part of aqeedah. What I have said is backed by the chapter Sheikh Fawzan wrote on ruling by other than what Allah has revealed in Aqeedah at-Tawheed. I have not brought anything new. I am following the exact same view Sheikh Fawzan presented in Aqeedah at-Tawheed. And my view is backed by numerous other scholars as well.
 
Salam alikum

Throughout my life I used to see this eternal conflict between wahabis and asha'ris and madkhalis and MBH.

Honestly I see this conflict is doesn't bring anything but more damage to the ummah.

I personally believe that salafis and asha'ris are both ahlu Sunnah as long they belief the true rule of the four guided caliphs Ra, I we truly need to unite for the sake of this Ummah and the growing threat of the shiasm.

About the Madkhalis and MBH conflict is more political that religious one because in MBH you will find wahabis and asha'ris there and people who share their ideology.
You will also find asha'ris who share the same stance with madkhalis.

And I believe this conflict should be solved my the government and the MBH.

Wallahi I feel pain when I see these fight.

More twisted groups appears from time to time with more weird way of thinking.

Especially these days the the rise of haddadiyah.

We should learn Deen to improve our spiritually in the first place then slowly advice people and that was the path of sahaba Ra.

But now people learn Deen just to enter this dirty battlegrounds of takfiring each other.

I sometimes believe the best Muslim is the one who learn his religion and serve his family and lock his door.
 

Omar del Sur

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Salam alikum

Throughout my life I used to see this eternal conflict between wahabis and asha'ris and madkhalis and MBH.

Honestly I see this conflict is doesn't bring anything but more damage to the ummah.

I personally believe that salafis and asha'ris are both ahlu Sunnah as long they belief the true rule of the four guided caliphs Ra, I we truly need to unite for the sake of this Ummah and the growing threat of the shiasm.

About the Madkhalis and MBH conflict is more political that religious one because in MBH you will find wahabis and asha'ris there and people who share their ideology.
You will also find asha'ris who share the same stance with madkhalis.

And I believe this conflict should be solved my the government and the MBH.

Wallahi I feel pain when I see these fight.

More twisted groups appears from time to time with more weird way of thinking.

Especially these days the the rise of haddadiyah.

We should learn Deen to improve our spiritually in the first place then slowly advice people and that was the path of sahaba Ra.

But now people learn Deen just to enter this dirty battlegrounds of takfiring each other.

I sometimes believe the best Muslim is the one who learn his religion and serve his family and lock his door.

There is no stopping the rise of the Haddadi revolution. There is no undoing the Haddadi revolution. Salafiyyah is not the property of any country or government.
 
There is no stopping the rise of the Haddadi revolution. There is no undoing the Haddadi revolution. Salafiyyah is not the property of any country or government.
When I mentioned Salafism I mean their conflict with asha'ris religiously (not about governments).

Haddadis are dangerous the idea of takfiring great scholars like ibn hajar and nawawi is a major thing them who will be there next target ibu Hanifa and imam Malik.
 

Omar del Sur

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When I mentioned Salafism I mean their conflict with asha'ris religiously (not about governments).

Haddadis are dangerous the idea of takfiring great scholars like ibn hajar and nawawi is a major thing them who will be there next target ibu Hanifa and imam Malik.

You get upset that someone takfirs Ibn Hajr. What you don't realize is Ibn Hajr takfirs you! I have seen myself where Ibn Hajr takfirs atharis. The man was a hardcore Ash'ari/jahmi. as for Nawawi, I'm not as sure. I don't takfir either of them but they did have aqeedah issues.
 
You get upset that someone takfirs Ibn Hajr. What you don't realize is Ibn Hajr takfirs you! I have seen myself where Ibn Hajr takfirs atharis. The man was a hardcore Ash'ari/jahmi. as for Nawawi, I'm not as sure. I don't takfir either of them but they did have aqeedah issues.

Why will ibn hajar takfir me
 

Omar del Sur

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How come he takfir asha'ris and he a hardcore asha'ris in the sametime

no, not takfir ash'aris. he was takfiring atharis ie salafis ie "wahhabis". I forget the exact quote but I believe he made takfir of those who believe in literal interpration of Allah's names and attributes rather than doing taweel
 

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I have huge respect for Ibn Hajr's work in contributing to the study of hadith... but he had serious issues in terms of aqeedah. same with Ibn Hazm. some of these historical scholars were geniuses in their own way but we can be honest about errors they fell into.
 
no, not takfir ash'aris. he was takfiring atharis ie salafis ie "wahhabis". I forget the exact quote but I believe he made takfir of those who believe in literal interpration of Allah's names and attributes rather than doing taweel
Ok then why some salafis scholars like ubn uthaimen said that ibn hajar isn't asha'ris and people should avoid attacking him
 

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Ok then why some salafis scholars like ubn uthaimen said that ibn hajar isn't asha'ris and people should avoid attacking him

I respect Sheikh Uthaymeen. I'm more interested in Haddadiyah as a way to break with Gulf political manipulation. I don't think Salafiyyah needs to be interpreted in a way that is designed to serve Gulf political interests. I'm not as interested in all the anti-Nawawi and anti Ibn Hajr stuff. but I do believe in opposing the jahmiyyah. i am opposed both to the jahmiyyah and the murjiah.
 
I respect Sheikh Uthaymeen. I'm more interested in Haddadiyah as a way to break with Gulf political manipulation. I don't think Salafiyyah needs to be interpreted in a way that is designed to serve Gulf political interests. I'm not as interested in all the anti-Nawawi and anti Ibn Hajr stuff. but I do believe in opposing the jahmiyyah. i am opposed both to the jahmiyyah and the murjiah.
I started to notice the haddadiyah when the so called Muhammed ibn shams al Deen appeared and his debate with Hasan Al hussiene and lately with Walid Ismail.
 

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I started to notice the haddadiyah when the so called Muhammed ibn shams al Deen appeared and his debate with Hasan Al hussiene and lately with Walid Ismail.

I love Muhammad ibn Shams ul Din for the sake of Allah. I love watching him. I haven't seen that debate, I'll check it out insha'Allah.

I believe a lot of the campaign against him is political. Because they want basically that if you are a salafi you can't say things that Saudi wouldn't like.
 
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