She's getting alot of backlash for saying its rape to force your wife to have sex

[Ahmed Ato]

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use the dislike button not post it.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

She's got a valid point but getting alot of shit

This how you know somalis are messed up when they saying its not rape when its your wife

She is garoob.

 

[bisusa]

The reason why you're confused is that's not how rape is defined according to islam. You're just looking at the linguistic meaning without the shariah definition of the word.

Uk law defines rape as when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent.

In addition to consent they included the action of penetration with a penis, meaning a woman who forcefully has sex with a man can't be charged with rape. Excluded from this definition also is rape of women by other women. Only man can do the act of raping someone as per the uk definition that's why they've additional set of laws that deal with any forced sexual relation that isn't covered by the initial rape law. They make distinctions based on the nature of the sexual violation in question.

Compare this to usa definition of rape

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

The us definition of rape is more comprehensive than the uk one as it includes any gender of victim and perpetrator, not just women being raped by men.

You just assume that what constitutes as rape and other sexual offenses are the same, hence the confusion.

we should use islamic defention of rape not some western countrys defention

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

we should use islamic defention of rape not some western countrys defention

Definitely walaal as it creates the problem that we now have in front of us. Many simply view issues through the western cultural context without questioning or even evaluating them properly. I think all of this stems from a lack of understanding in our religion and cultural norms. It becomes very easy to be swayed into accepting any sort of view when you lack that firm conviction in your own cultural heritage.

 

[Rivaldo]

Islam gives us a very simple solution to this. Having multiple wives, but even this will be something that women are against.

You can't win with corrupt modern women so don't waste your time trying to make sense of their bs and keep it moving

 

[bisusa]

Definitely walaal as it creates the problem that we now have in front of us. Many simply view issues through the western cultural context without questioning or even evaluating them properly. I think all of this stems from a lack of understanding in our religion and cultural norms. It becomes very easy to be swayed into accepting any sort of view when you lack that firm conviction in your own cultural heritage.

well said brother

 

[Periplus]

Marital rape is without a doubt a western concept and it arose as a result of adopting secular liberal views with regards to sexual relations. You need to read up on islamic law so as to understand what rape is in islam, the different types of laws etc so as to get a better understanding what the sheikh is saying

she is crazy to say force sex is rape no it is domestic violence . she just a feminist in a sheep clothing by saying that in islam it classifies forced sex as rape

Who get's to define it & on what basis ? you just assume that your understanding of what rape entails is universal.

We’re speaking the English language which has a set definition of rape.

What has been described in this thread is referred to as marital rape in this English language.

You cannot fault people for choosing to refer to actions being debated by that specific term.

The argument is about whether Islam supports marital rape or not. Playing this semantics game on the definition rape is insulting to people’s intelligence on an emotionally loaded thread walaalayaal.

Either argue for it or against it.

 

[bisusa]

Work on your reading comprehension skills.

we should use Islamic defention of rape not from western country's defention . islamically it is classified as physical abuse not rape. since classifying it as rape it will be implying that the husband should be put to death since the punishment of rape under islamic legal system .

 

[bisusa]

He isn’t lying if he said it’s a “Western concept” though, technically, he’s correct. What we now know as “marital rape” is a new concept that came with the rise of feminism, it did not exist in the past or in pre modern societies and it’s only being criminalized today. Plenty of countries do not punish what we know as “marital rape.”

Disclaimer: I don’t condone the use of force as it can be harmful but I don’t think we should compare a marital life to everyday life. Forced sex within marriage if harmful would fall under the category of domestic abuse.

that is what i have been saying all long . forced sex should be classified as pysical or domestic abuse not as rape.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

we should use Islamic defention of rape not from western country's defention . islamically it is classified as physical abuse not rape. since classifying it as rape it will be implying that the husband should be put to death since the punishment of rape under islamic legal system .

Who define what is rape in Islam
Did allah revealed to nabi mohamed or in quran if not then it is scholars opinions which i dont see as islamic definition

 

[bisusa]

Who define what is rape in Islam
Did allah revealed to nabi mohamed or in quran if not then it is scholars opinions which i dont see as islamic definition

under islamic rape is clasfied as unlawfed sex which happened through force which punishble by death. but this thread says that forced sex should be classified as rape which absurd

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

under islamic rape is clasfied as unlawfed sex which happened through force which punishble by death. but this thread says that forced sex should be classified as rape which absurd

My question is Who decide how to define rape
Did allah revealed to nabi mohamed what rape is in marriages

 

[Periplus]

Islam gives us a very simple solution to this. Having multiple wives, but even this will be something that women are against.

The shafiici madhab are against polygamy without just reason and recommend having only one wife.

That's the madhab that majority of Somali's follow.

Islam did not allow four wives, it limited the wives to four. In pre-Islamic Arabia men had unlimited wives which were neglected and the religion of Islam limited these people to four wives.

If there is no reason for you to have more than one wife or you cannot afford a good standard of wellbeing for more than one wife, stay married to one.

 

[bisusa]

The shafiici madhab are against polygamy without just reason and recommend having only one wife.

That's the madhab that majority of Somali's follow.

Islam did not allow four wives, it limited the wives to four. In pre-Islamic Arabia men had unlimited wives which were neglected and the religion of Islam limited these people to four wives.

If there is no reason for you to have more than one wife or you cannot afford a good standard of wellbeing for more than one wife, stay married to one.

pls can you provide of us sources

 

[Periplus]

pls can you provide of us sources

There's more information readily available on the internet but I will link an older post I did on this.

Sources are attached.

The Shafiici madhab is one of the most critical of out the four on polygamy. In that it believes one should remain with one wife if there is no apparent need to marry another.

It is said that Imam Shafiici stated: "that is more suitable that you may not be financially strained by numerous children" but I should state I have only seen this quote online and cannot verify it.

However, these scholars that followed Shafiici, have this about the madhab's opinion on polygamy, in that it is preferable for a muslim to be monogamous.

Al-Khatib Al-Shirbini (Shafiici scholar): "It is a Sunnah not to marry more than one wife if there is no apparent need" (Mughni Al-Muhtaaj)

Imam Ahmed ibn Naqib Al-Masri (Shafiici scholar): "It is fitter to confine oneself to one." (Umdatu Salik)

Imam Ghazali (Shafiici scholar): "It does not call for two wives, [since] plurality may render life miserable and disrupt the affairs of the home." (Kitab al Nikah, Ihya Uloom ud Din)

Imam Al-Mawradi (Shafiici scholar): "Ash-Shaafi’i is of the view that it is desirable to confine oneself to marrying only one although it is permissible for him to marry more than one. This is to avoid being unfair by being more inclined to some of them than others, or being unable to financially support them." (al-Hawi al-Kabir 11/417)

 

[Periplus]

You guys could have said "marital rape is considered spousal abuse in Islam and is haram"

Saying "marital rape is a feminist definition and is not rape in Islam" is just an unnecessarily inflammatory statement.

The whole point of giving religious advice is to guide people not alienate them with inflammatory statements on a controversial topic.

Basic emotional intelligence.

 

[TekNiKo]

The shafiici madhab are against polygamy without just reason and recommend having only one wife.

That's the madhab that majority of Somali's follow.

Islam did not allow four wives, it limited the wives to four. In pre-Islamic Arabia men had unlimited wives which were neglected and the religion of Islam limited these people to four wives.

If there is no reason for you to have more than one wife or you cannot afford a good standard of wellbeing for more than one wife, stay married to one.

You keep pushing these lies about Shaafici madhab I told you to provide a source yet you failed. I am have studied Fiqh of Shaafici and never heard this opinion from him. Please stop using this Imaam name to peddle your lies the Prophet SAW encouraged marriage and increasing the ummah as long as rights are upheld. Polygamy is literally sunnah

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

We’re speaking the English language which has a set definition of rape.

What has been described in this thread is referred to as marital rape in this English language.

You cannot fault people for choosing to refer to actions being debated by that specific term.

The argument is about whether Islam supports marital rape or not. Playing this semantics game on the definition rape is insulting to people’s intelligence on an emotionally loaded thread walaalayaal.

Either argue for it or against it.

What has speaking english got to do with anything ? the entire thread is based on a video from somalia where people were speaking somali. In somali kufsi is used to define forced sexual relation that occurs outside marriage, it's the reason why people were objecting to farxiya's claims about it. This definition of kufsi is based on the shariah definition of rape, it's how somalis understand it

Both the Op & all those who were agreeing with him were objecting to this fact, they deem such actions constitute rape according to their understanding of what rape entails. This understanding of theirs's is based on how it's legally defined in secular liberal societies. It's the reason why @Aurelian citied that definition of rape and was confused. He wasn't using the islamic definition of rape

The difference in how rape is defined & understood in both islamic and secular law is the core issue. This fact completely changes everything that comes after it, making it impossible to come to any agreement, meaning we aren't going to be aligned in how we perceive what rape entails.

If you read my other posts you would've noticed what i stated regarding this entire topic.

 

[Caadi iskadig]

Why can't men just walk away if they are with a wife who actually "weaponizes sex"? Get another woman who actually wants you to touch her.


If a wife regularly isn't in the mood, any self-respecting man should start thinking:

1. He is terrible in bed/has a hygiene problem.
2. She cannot stand him, he pissed her off, whether she is right or wrong.
3. she is not in the mood; sick or tired.

Not "hey, let me force my penis into her vagina" aka "rape".

There are men on this forum, who think marital rape doesn't exist, I've seen them before.

Facts, crazy how this is even a discussion.



For every handicaab that thinks otherwise, would your tune change if it was your sister who got forced to have sex with her husband?

 

[Periplus]

You keep pushing these lies about Shaafici madhab I told you to provide a source yet you failed. I am have studied Fiqh of Shaafici and never heard this opinion from him. Please stop using this Imaam name to peddle your lies the Prophet SAW encouraged marriage and increasing the ummah as long as rights are upheld. Polygamy is literally sunnah

I have provided it in this thread. I have even provided the names of the fiqh books the quotes came from.

Just scroll up.

Are you that dumb?