So far I haven't seen a big town "From Xarardheere to Xamar'

[The Midlands]

In leen shabaab dhul eber ah ay iska heestaan

Xarardheere wich has many Hiraab clans never imagined to be like this and Ceeldheer to look like that. And you wonder why Shabaab is controlling them there is no population

This war has exposed the reality of alot of clans.

 

[TekNiKo]

In leen shabaab dhul eber ah ay iska heestaan

Xarardheere wich has many Hiraab clans never imagined to be like this and Ceeldheer to look like that. And you wonder why Shabaab is controlling them there is no population

This war has exposed the reality of alot of clans.

Ileen all the Abgaal fled to Xamar, very small cities even Balanbale is 3x bigger

 

[The Midlands]

Ileen all the Abgaal fled to Xamar, very small cities even Buursaalax is 3x bigger

Balanbale is bigger than all their own "Degmoos" and towns i saw so far. When im telling you we reer Hiiraan focus on our region i dont care about Xamar this is what i mean. AL SHAAAB CONTROLLED 15 YEARS majority of Abgaal land because they r empty still have 9 amisom bases.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Looks like the folks there have moved to xamar. I saw a video on FB the other day of SNA in these liberated areas and thought the same thing. Where are the people? Looks empty like southern mudug.

 

[The Midlands]

Looks like the folks there have moved to xamar. I saw a video on FB the other day of SNA in these liberated areas and thought the same thing. Where are the people? Looks empty like southern mudug.

HG region is well populated Cayr, Sacad, Saleebaan this Xarardheere is shared by Saruur and Waceysle mainly. HG had regional administrations before the federalism and people have been moving back from Xamar since the Islamic courts.

 

[Rationale]

This region has been neglected since 1950s. 70 years the dowlad has not build one road. One of the most neglected regions in the country, iA change is coming.

Degmo does not equal a town, how many times one has to tell you this? Are you perhaps slow? Ceeldheer, Ceelbuur and Xarardheere districts and Midlle Shabelle are predominantly rural, people do not live in towns they live in farming villages and communities. In Gobollada dhexe(excluding the three eastern districsts of Xaradheere Ceeldheer and Ceelbuur), Hiiraan and Waqooyi majority of nomads have moved to urban lifestyle and this became possible because of the National highway. Today to my shocking gobols like Bari bari has majority of its population living in urban settlements.

This is what the country side of these small towns look like.

A close up into one of these plots dotted around the countryside.

Majority of the the people in Middle Shabelle, Ceeldheer, Xarardheere and Ceelbuur live in similar style. In small agro pastoral farming groups. I will make a thread on it to educate the ignorant individuals.

@Maxamed bin Harti we don't have many grand towns but we do have population. Kulahaa empty this region is by far the most densely populated region out of the two river banks. Population density is way above 100ppl per sq/km

 

[Prince of HS]

if you go to East hiraan, there are only two towns that stand out. Maxaas and moqokori. Literally no other town until beledweyne. But look at west side settled by gj, baadicade etc. there are 3/4 towns. Also matabaan on eastern hiraan is shared by hg/cayr. Black for gughundabe/hg towns and just maxaas there and ofc moqokori a bit lower. Bulo burde is half baadicade if not more. I’ve been there I know of it Wallahi. Jalalaqsi is mainly xl I believe. But beledweyne is half half separated by the river. GJ on othe west side with jijeele. Makane on the river banks. And eastern side of the city being xl. Waalhi this is facts.

Eastern hiraan v xamar to xaradhere lol and your still struggling

Lemme compare a random village settled by a sub 10 down from harti abgaal to a town settled by different xl subs

biyo cadde

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[Prince of HS]

Balanbale is bigger than all their own "Degmoos" and towns i saw so far. When im telling you we reer Hiiraan focus on our region i dont care about Xamar this is what i mean. AL SHAAAB CONTROLLED 15 YEARS majority of Abgaal land because they r empty still have 9 amisom bases.

HG region is well populated Cayr, Sacad, Saleebaan this Xarardheere is shared by Saruur and Waceysle mainly. HG had regional administrations before the federalism and people have been moving back from Xamar since the Islamic courts.

Another day another thread of you making a random thread shit talking on Abgaal and getting on your knees for hg. Even then hiraan seemed just as empty to me walalhi few months back when you guys were trending but what’s your excuse? At least I know abgaal are moving to xamar in huge numbers.

Funnily enough anyone who bothers to go on Google earth and check the middle shabelle landscape will see everywhere you look there is pastoralist rings to keep animals in (mainly cows and goats) showing human presence.

not too mention nearly every reliable population census either puts Middle shabelle as a larger population or same as hiraan but abgaal proportion of middle shabelle is much much larger than XL’s share of hiraan.

 

[Rationale]

if you go to East hiraan, there are only two towns that stand out. Maxaas and moqokori. Literally no other town until beledweyne. Lemme compare a random village settled by a sub 10 down from harti abgaal to a town settled by different xl subs

biyo cadde

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Maxaas

Biyocadde is part of Cadale district even though it is bigger than Cadale(town). The district is named after the Cadale town simply because it is a historic center of learning and also many Imams were coronated there. Afarta Tuulo have 10-20km between each other and all four are as big as BiyoCadde. These four towns need roads that connect them so they can grown into one large city and a road to Cadale and Xamar. Huge potential.

 

[Rationale]

if you go to East hiraan, there are only two towns that stand out. Maxaas and moqokori. Literally no other town until beledweyne. But look at west side settled by gj, baadicade etc. there are 3/4 towns. Also matabaan on eastern hiraan is shared by hg/cayr. Black for gughundabe/hg towns and just maxaas there and ofc moqokori a bit lower. Bulo birder is half baadicade if not more. I’ve been there I know of it Wallahi. Jalalaqsi is mainly xl I believe. But beledweyne is half half separated by the river. GJ on othe west side with jijeele. Makane on the river banks. And eastern side of the city being xl. Waalhi this is facts.

Eastern hiraan v xamar to xaradhere lol and your still struggling

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biyo cadde

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@The Midlands has no objectivity he will with straight face claim Google Earth is Mudulood propaganda.

 

[The Midlands]

if you go to East hiraan, there are only two towns that stand out. Maxaas and moqokori. Literally no other town until beledweyne. But look at west side settled by gj, baadicade etc. there are 3/4 towns. Also matabaan on eastern hiraan is shared by hg/cayr. Black for gughundabe/hg towns and just maxaas there and ofc moqokori a bit lower. Bulo burde is half baadicade if not more. I’ve been there I know of it Wallahi. Jalalaqsi is mainly xl I believe. But beledweyne is half half separated by the river. GJ on othe west side with jijeele. Makane on the river banks. And eastern side of the city being xl. Waalhi this is facts.

Eastern hiraan v xamar to xaradhere lol and your still struggling

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biyo cadde

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keep running around like headless chicken show me real pictures of your degmoos. These own hawadle towns and villages are not degmos and are bigger than your ruunnirgood "Degmo" . There is feerfeer ethiopia 18km from the highway wich is a big town but i will not post it since some minoroties are with us. Laamiga dhan waa camiranyahay not like your ghost villages.

 

[The Midlands]

ABGAAL "DEGMO" RUUNNIRGOOD

 

[The Midlands]

@The Midlands has no objectivity he will with straight face claim Google Earth is Mudulood propaganda.

there is a problem with the liberated Abgaal "degmos" and villages you can't keep SNA and danab and gorgor in there forever as their population Al Shabaab will take over again if no population you need to come back from Xamar and repopulate them. Hassan Sh called and said you cant withdraw from Galcad there is no people to make them macawisley that why they are struggling to hold it.

 

[Prince of HS]

there is a problem with the liberated Abgaal "degmos" and villages you can't keep SNA and danab and gorgor in there forever as their population Al Shabaab will take over again if no population you need to come back from Xamar and repopulate them. Hassan Sh called and said you cant withdraw from Galcad there is no people to make them macawisley that why they are struggling to hold it.

If your saying the people moved to xamar, why you acting as if the people there are small in number in general and not that they moved alltogether?

 

[The Midlands]

If your saying the people moved to xamar, why you acting as if the people there are small in number in general and not that they moved alltogether?

i have been saying this from day that Abgals of middle Shabelle have moved to Xamar for many reasons being the govt in Xamar, not having highway and services and being under Shabaab for 15 years beyond cadale. therefore they r smaller than Hawadle in Hirshabelle.

 

[Gadhwayne]

You have to understand @The Midlands point of view. He thinks its bad for easternHiiraan if beesha dhexe Somalia Italiana get their fairshare. He is afraid it means beesha GM and beesha MiddleShabeelle will swallow eastern Hiiraan. There is a simple solution i.e. Benaadir FMS and/or Hiiraan FMS since Hiiraan Benaadir were among the original 6 provinces of Somalia Italiana. The problem is @The Midlands also has an inferiority complex towards, and a fixation with pleasing, the peripheral communities of Somalia Italiana. So that wedded to the idea of weakening beesha dhexe i.e. Hiiraan/Benaadir statehood inconceivable since it might displease his allies in the peripheral communities KG/PL/JL. He is afraid MS/GM will dominate easter Beledweyne so themidlands has thrown his lot with antiQoslaaye and anti beesha dhexe forces as well as confederalists and agoonta Afweyne in easternSool/Badhan. If push comes to shove he might support Laftagareen against Qoslaaye centralists.

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oAnother day another thread of you making a random thread shit talking on Abgaal and getting on your knees for hg. Even then hiraan seemed just as empty to me walalhi few months back when you guys were trending but what’s your excuse? At least I know abgaal are moving to xamar in huge numbers.

Funnily enough anyone who bothers to go on Google earth and check the middle shabelle landscape will see everywhere you look there is pastoralist rings to keep animals in (mainly cows and goats) showing human presence.

not too mention nearly every reliable population census either puts Middle shabelle as a larger population or same as hiraan but abgaal proportion of middle shabelle is much much larger than XL’s share of hiraan.

What do you think of beesha dhexe getting about 40% of seats slated for the South i.e. Somalia Italiana? The Italian estimates put them at 40% of the population even though Italy only gave beesha dhexe about 30% of seats. Even in the 1960s beesha dhexe used to get quarter of MPs, including both Northern and Southern MPs, beesha dhexe had a quarter of seats total seats compared to about 20% today.

the Somalia Italiana federal senate situation is even worse. beesha dhexe get 20% bur beelaha Formaggio/Madoobe/Deni get about 30%

@The Midlands has no objectivity he will with straight face claim Google Earth is Mudulood propaganda.

There has to be someone from beesha dhexe who becomes a peacetime/civilian version of USC and restore balance and equal representation. Qoslaaye can do this if stays focussed or try to be a crowd pleaser like ShiikhShariif signing Garoowe protocols that make Benaadir control/taxes shared with everyone while the other regions get their own FMS

 

[Laagite]

You have to understand @The Midlands point of view. He thinks its bad for easternHiiraan if beesha dhexe Somalia Italiana get their fairshare. He is afraid it means beesha GM and beesha MiddleShabeelle will swallow eastern Hiiraan. There is a simple solution i.e. Benaadir FMS and/or Hiiraan FMS since Hiiraan Benaadir were among the original 6 provinces of Somalia Italiana. The problem is @The Midlands also has an inferiority complex towards, and a fixation with pleasing, the peripheral communities of Somalia Italiana. So that wedded to the idea of weakening beesha dhexe i.e. Hiiraan/Benaadir statehood inconceivable since it might displease his allies in the peripheral communities KG/PL/JL. He is afraid MS/GM will dominate easter Beledweyne so themidlands has thrown his lot with antiQoslaaye and anti beesha dhexe forces as well as confederalists and agoonta Afweyne in easternSool/Badhan. If push comes to shove he might support Laftagareen against Qoslaaye centralists.

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What do you think of beesha dhexe getting about 40% of seats slated for the South i.e. Somalia Italiana? The Italian estimates put them at 40% of the population even though Italy only gave beesha dhexe about 30% of seats. Even in the 1960s beesha dhexe used to get quarter of MPs, including both Northern and Southern MPs, beesha dhexe had a quarter of seats total seats compared to about 20% today.

the Somalia Italiana federal senate situation is even worse. beesha dhexe get 20% bur beelaha Formaggio/Madoobe/Deni get about 30%



There has to be someone from beesha dhexe who becomes a peacetime/civilian version of USC and restore balance and equal representation. Qoslaaye can do this if stays focussed or try to be a crowd pleaser like ShiikhShariif signing Garoowe protocols that make Benaadir control/taxes shared with everyone while the other regions get their own FMS

Badhan this, Badhan that


Reer Badhan haven't heard from SL since 2017 low iq waaxid.


Better watch out for the revolution in Eastern Ceeri from Dhaxamo to Damala Xagare

 

[Macawisley]

You have to understand @The Midlands point of view. He thinks its bad for easternHiiraan if beesha dhexe Somalia Italiana get their fairshare. He is afraid it means beesha GM and beesha MiddleShabeelle will swallow eastern Hiiraan. There is a simple solution i.e. Benaadir FMS and/or Hiiraan FMS since Hiiraan Benaadir were among the original 6 provinces of Somalia Italiana. The problem is @The Midlands also has an inferiority complex towards, and a fixation with pleasing, the peripheral communities of Somalia Italiana. So that wedded to the idea of weakening beesha dhexe i.e. Hiiraan/Benaadir statehood inconceivable since it might displease his allies in the peripheral communities KG/PL/JL. He is afraid MS/GM will dominate easter Beledweyne so themidlands has thrown his lot with antiQoslaaye and anti beesha dhexe forces as well as confederalists and agoonta Afweyne in easternSool/Badhan. If push comes to shove he might support Laftagareen against Qoslaaye centralists.

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What do you think of beesha dhexe getting about 40% of seats slated for the South i.e. Somalia Italiana? The Italian estimates put them at 40% of the population even though Italy only gave beesha dhexe about 30% of seats. Even in the 1960s beesha dhexe used to get quarter of MPs, including both Northern and Southern MPs, beesha dhexe had a quarter of seats total seats compared to about 20% today.

the Somalia Italiana federal senate situation is even worse. beesha dhexe get 20% bur beelaha Formaggio/Madoobe/Deni get about 30%



There has to be someone from beesha dhexe who becomes a peacetime/civilian version of USC and restore balance and equal representation. Qoslaaye can do this if stays focussed or try to be a crowd pleaser like ShiikhShariif signing Garoowe protocols that make Benaadir control/taxes shared with everyone while the other regions get their own FMS

I don’t know what your point is but you have really lost it mentally ever since Dhulbahante have taken over Lascanood from SL admin. Don’t need to project your feelings on us. I don’t even think Midlands has said anything about SL or Eastern Sanaag.

I might actually chip in to the go fund me going round to help you cope. Subxanallah.

 

[Gadhwayne]

I don’t know what your point is but you have really lost it mentally ever since Dhulbahante have taken over Lascanood from SL admin. Don’t need to project your feelings on us. I don’t even think Midlands has said anything about SL or Eastern Sanaag.

I might actually chip in to the go fund me going round to help you cope. Subxanallah.

@Ozark and @World as well as @killerxsmoke know that despite my af khadhaadh Im politically closer to reer Laas Caanood i.e. reunification no confederalism no ATMIS etc.

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If you get past my af khadhaadh it becomes clear my position would be possibly ummediate reunification with Somalia Italiana with/without the ATMIS federal protectorate Federal Government of Somalia Italiana depending on if JSL relationship with PL/KG/FGS/JL

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Qoslaaye can do this if stays focussed or try to be a crowd pleaser like ShiikhShariif signing Garoowe protocols that make Benaadir control/taxes shared with everyone while the other regions get their own FMS

What kind of bullshit are you spreading? Banaadir's taxes are not shared with Puntland, maybe they're given to HAG states, certainly not us and we don't even want it.