Soctora Island apparently falls within redrawn Somali EEZ Zone

[Magan95]

SOMALIA

https://www.oneearthfuture.org/file/2024/download?token=bQwiLHZ8

So with UAE annexing Soctora and using it as a base to expand into and possibly further meddle into affairs within Somalia, wouldn't it be better for Somalia to rightfully claim Soctora as a part of its territory due to its proximity?

Some of the talking points brought up before was that culturally Soctora has always been Yemeni. The Andaman Islands are not culturally or even racially/phenotypically related to India at all, and it still falls within their EEZ.

Regardless, it's a security hazard for Somalia to have this highly contested Island near its coast if an aggressive country takes hold of it. On top of that, Yemen is the second most country that engages in illegal fishing off the coast of Somalia. I understand some on here would prefer for Somalia to fix itself before further pursuing this, but it doesn't hurt to start the process now because we have the best chance at claiming this Island.

Soctora falls within the 200 NM EEZ from the coast of puntland while Wikipedia inaccurately labels it as 250NM.

 

[Aurelian]

Could France claim one of British islands because it’s close to her? When ppl say socotra is close to Somalia than Yemen they kinda forget that it’s part of Yemen, which mean Yemen is closer to us from that point.

 

[Magan95]

Could France claim one of British islands because it’s close to her? When ppl say socotra is close to Somalia than Yemen they kinda forget that it’s part of Yemen, which mean Yemen is closer to us from that point.

It's a contested Island that Somalia never bothered to fully contest for until 2014. Quite frankly, our democracy didn't last for long and we had a dictator who was focused on claiming other land from Ethiopia. Today is a different Somalia we're dealing with and different government that has the right to ask for a reconsideration. Now it's obvious that it's a threat to our security because the UAE annexed it. The same UAE that meddles in Somali politics and was participating in the elicit charcoal trade funding Al-Shabab.

Which specific British Island are you speaking of?

U.K. and France Call in the Navy, Sort of, in Channel Islands Fishing Dispute (Published 2021)

French fishing crews dropped their threat to blockade a port on the island of Jersey, but a standoff over post-Brexit fishing rights augured a future of similar disputes.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Aurelian]

It's a contested Island that Somalia never bothered to fully contest for until 2014. Quite frankly, our democracy didn't last for long and we had a dictator who was focused on claiming other land from Ethiopia. Today is a different Somalia we're dealing with and different government that has the right to ask for a reconsideration. Now it's obvious that it's a threat to our security because the UAE annexed it. The same UAE that meddles in Somali politics and was participating in the elicit charcoal trade funding Al-Shabab.

Which specific British Island are you speaking of?

U.K. and France Call in the Navy, Sort of, in Channel Islands Fishing Dispute (Published 2021)

French fishing crews dropped their threat to blockade a port on the island of Jersey, but a standoff over post-Brexit fishing rights augured a future of similar disputes.

www.nytimes.com

Waryaa, how it could contest if it does not own it from the begging, and it is owned and inhabited by others? You may claim western Somalia and they claim you back, but how you claim this island, what you demonstrate to claim? Don’t tell the eez because it is just mean that Yemen’s eez and ours are connected like how Kenya’s and Somalia eez are linked together

 

[Xoxoxo]

It will turn out bad as the Bajuni islands

 

[Magan95]

Waryaa, how it could contest if it does not own it from the begging, and it is owned and inhabited by others? You may claim western Somalia and they claim you back, but how you claim this island, what you demonstrate to claim? Don’t tell the eez because it is just mean that Yemen’s eez and ours are connected like how Kenya’s and Somalia eez are linked together

Socotra doesn't lie 200 NM within Yemen EEZ at all from what I know. I personally wouldn't have an issue if Socotra announced itself to be an independent nation... but it having ties to hostile Arab nations will always be a security risk for us. It's an Island located on the Somali plate, off the coast of Africa moreso than Arabia. Yemen's EEZ awkwardly cuts into ours and falls way further than it should. Only a fool would accept the way it cuts into our EEZ because of Socotra , and our past dictators were definitely fools to even allow this to occur. We have lost more maritime land to Yemen than Kenya and it surprises me just how okay with this some people are.

Southern Yemeni separatists and the UAE are fighting over it. The republic of Yemen doesn't exist anymore.

We also owe no loyalty to Yemen, in the 1970's they helped Ethiopia over us, and they currently still continue to illegally fish off of our waters the second most of any nation.

 

[Magan95]

It will turn out bad as the Bajuni islands

I'm a little ignorant regarding those Islands, how did the situation turn out bad with them?

 

[Periplus]

We also owe no loyalty to Yemen, in the 1970's they helped Ethiopia over us, and they currently still continue to illegally fish off of our waters the second most of any nation.

Firstly, that was South Yemen, the same country that tried hosting negotiations that Barre rejected.

Secondly, they were forced by the USSR.

Thirdly, they accepted over 200,000 Somali immigrants.

Shall I continue.

 

[Periplus]

A lot of Somalis are casually hinting at supporting crimes against humanity over an archipelago.

Somalia should leave Socotora alone.

Right now, Yemen isn’t a hostile neighbour but if we challenge their land and lose, then you bet they’ll be hostile.

Never underestimate the value of the status quo.

 

[Magan95]

Firstly, that was South Yemen, the same country that tried hosting negotiations that Barre rejected.

Secondly, they were forced by the USSR.

Thirdly, they accepted over 200,000 Somali immigrants.

Shall I continue.

Regardless, do you not see how Yemen itself is a security risk? Even them changing to a hostile government against us would compromise us, not mentioning the internationally recognized government of Yemen being on a lifeline against a rebel faction. My point is that we don't owe false loyalty to anyone when our national security is at risk.

A lot of Somalis are casually hinting at supporting crimes against humanity over an archipelago.

Somalia should leave Socotora alone.

Right now, Yemen isn’t a hostile neighbour but if we challenge their land and lose, then you bet they’ll be hostile.

Never underestimate the value of the status quo.

This isn't a crime against humanity when this archipelago falls within territorial Somali waters and should be readdressed to the international courts. The true crime is that this EEZ is horrendous and doesn't make sense. No one is saying that Somalia should go to war or forcefully annex, instead, the international community should consider Somalia's request and redivide this territory so that it's more favorable to Somalia and makes more sense.

 

[Periplus]

Regardless, do you not see how Yemen itself is a security risk? Even them changing to a hostile government against us would compromise us, not mentioning the internationally recognized government of Yemen being on a lifeline against a rebel faction. My point is that we don't owe false loyalty to anyone when our national security is at risk.



This isn't a crime against humanity when this archipelago falls within territorial Somali waters and should be readdressed to the international courts. The true crime is that this EEZ is horrendous and doesn't make sense. No one is saying that Somalia should go to war or forcefully annex, instead, the international community should consider Somalia's request and redivide this territory so that it's more favorable to Somalia and makes more sense.

What are you going to do about the Socotris who prefer Yemen to Somalia?

Are you going to settle Somalis there?

 

[Bundasliga]

What are you going to do about the Socotris who prefer Yemen to Somalia?

Are you going to settle Somalis there?

It belongs to the the mehri people .

"The Mehri are one of the largest tribes in the Al Mahrah Governorate of Yemen and in the island of Socotra and Dhofar Governorate of Oman. Mehri group members are also found in other countries in the Arabian Peninsula, mainly Oman, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Somalia."

"The Arab Salah tribe, also known as Meheri (or Mehri), is a non-Darod clan, and is found mainly in the region around Galkayo"

PuntlandWeyn

 

[Dima&Damo]

We Should Send The Arab Salah There Everyone Has A Duty

 

[Aurelian]

Socotra doesn't lie 200 NM within Yemen EEZ at all from what I know. I personally wouldn't have an issue if Socotra announced itself to be an independent nation... but it having ties to hostile Arab nations will always be a security risk for us. It's an Island located on the Somali plate, off the coast of Africa moreso than Arabia. Yemen's EEZ awkwardly cuts into ours and falls way further than it should. Only a fool would accept the way it cuts into our EEZ because of Socotra , and our past dictators were definitely fools to even allow this to occur. We have lost more maritime land to Yemen than Kenya and it surprises me just how okay with this some people are.

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Southern Yemeni separatists and the UAE are fighting over it. The republic of Yemen doesn't exist anymore.

We also owe no loyalty to Yemen, in the 1970's they helped Ethiopia over us, and they currently still continue to illegally fish off of our waters the second most of any nation.

How it doesn’t lie within Yemen’s eez? Do one needs to tell you that soctra is Yemen? Look at the islands cost line red blood like the same way with mainland Yemen coastline

 

[wheel]

The people that live there consider themselves to be Yemeni and would resist any attempt from Somalia to control it. I do think Somalia should try to renegotiate the eez boundary with Yemen, however, upon failure on a improved settlement it should just cut its losses. After all, it's our ancestors who didnt have the foresight to take these places in the past, it's ultimately our failure.

 

[Magan95]

What are you going to do about the Socotris who prefer Yemen to Somalia?

Are you going to settle Somalis there?

They should be respected and given some semblance of autonomy, while the territory is recognized as a part of Somalia.

 

[Magan95]

How it doesn’t lie within Yemen’s eez? Do one needs to tell you that soctra is Yemen? Look at the islands cost line red blood like the same way with mainland Yemen coastline View attachment 209419

This is how:

 

[Abdisamad]

A lot of Somalis are casually hinting at supporting crimes against humanity over an archipelago.

Somalia should leave Socotora alone.

Right now, Yemen isn’t a hostile neighbour but if we challenge their land and lose, then you bet they’ll be hostile.

Never underestimate the value of the status quo.

I'm tired of these somalis always claiming other lands under different nations, when we can't even develop or secure the piece of land which actually legally belong to us and is internationally recognized why would you go and lust for a piece of land under another nation

 

[Magan95]

I'm tired of these somalis always claiming other lands under different nations, when we can't even develop or secure the piece of land which actually legally belong to us and is internationally recognized why would you go and lust for a piece of land under another nation

Keep in mind that we have never successfully declared our EEZ until 2014, we just never got around to it. This would set the future generations when Somalia becomes stable from having Arab nations meddle with our politics. It's also economically viable for Somalia to gain control of this area due to its proximity. UAE is going to potentially make a military base there, which is a direct threat against Somalia. Geographically, Socotra is an African Island, not Arabian.

They have tried to undermine us by working with Somaliland/Al-Shabab and are a threat to the Somali republic. It's interesting how y'all have all the smoke for Kenya, but an even bigger Somali territory is so easily given to Yemen with no complaints from the shortsighted majority.

Fisheries in Somali waters: Reconstruction of domestic and foreign catches for 1950–2015

The Somali region, at the Horn of Africa, has experienced a high degree of political and social instability at various times since 1950, through vario…

www.sciencedirect.com

Somalia declared a 200 nm territorial sea in 1971, but this declaration did not follow accepted international law [5]. Even though Somalia ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) in 1989, their EEZ was not formally declared until the Somali federal government did so in 2014.

 

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@Magan95

Nothing was ever taken from Somalia, it's always been a Semitic island.

Socotra belongs to Meheri Arabs, Puntites have a long-standing relationship with them and we're not interested in ever exploiting them even if Somalia becomes very powerful. It's not palatable for us to backstab our oldest allies and in-laws.

Socotra doesn't even belong to Yemen, it should be under the Mahrah Sultanate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahra_Sultanate