Soctora Island apparently falls within redrawn Somali EEZ Zone

[Abdisamad]

This would set the future generations when Somalia becomes stable from having Arab nations meddle with our politics. It's also economically viable for Somalia to gain control of this area due to its proximity. UAE is going to potentially make a military base there, which is a direct threat against Somalia.

They have tried to undermine us by working with Somaliland/Al-Shabab and are a threat to the Somali republic. It's interesting how y'all have all the smoke for Kenya, but an even bigger Somali territory is so easily given to Yemen with no complaints from the shortsighted majority.

The problem in Somalia is not because of other nations meddling into our affairs, let me ask you are Somalis a bunch of brainless xoolo that can be manipulated with left and right? No I don't believe that, the issue in Somalia and why we can't progress is because of greedyness and lack of good leadership, just look at N&N and Farmaajo clinging to the seat like he was glued to it.. Somalia once had one of the strongest militaries in Africa, what happened to that? Because of the Ogaden/Ethiopian invasion we lost everything thanks to a brainless dictator who never listened and never took any advice from anyone.. This retarded decision destroyed the Somali army and ultimately the Somali nation, and now you want to start claiming lands that belong to Yemen.. Plesee stop yourself and learn from history.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

@Pwyneth Galtrow I heard a Majerteen Sultan sold Socotra for a ship loaded with Sugar. Socotra is in Somali teratariial waters not Yamen.

 

[Magan95]

@Magan95

Nothing was ever taken from Somalia, it's always been a Semitic island.

Socotra belongs to Meheri Arabs, Puntites have a long-standing relationship with them and we're not interested in ever exploiting them even if Somalia becomes very powerful. It's not palatable for us to backstab our oldest allies and in-laws.

Socotra doesn't even belong to Yemen, it should be under the Mahrah Sultanate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahra_Sultanate

It has not always been a Semitic Island only, Socotora has changed hands many times. At one point, Ethiopia had control of it as well. Personally for me I throw emotional sentiments out the door when it concerns our national stability. My family lives in Puntland and I'm not comfortable with them being bombed or attacked from Socotra by enemy states in the future. I've heard this sentiment from other PLanders since Soctora directly interjects and takes over their maritime waters.

It's clear the government of Somalia itself wants to reclassify Socotra as Somali territory with their official 2014 EEZ declaration, now making Soctora contested territory. The only thing is, since Yemen doesn't have a functioning government to take to court, Somalia has to play the waiting game.

https://www.un.org/depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/STATEFILES/SOM.htm

Coordinates:
List of geographical coordinates of points

I personally don't care to contest the culture or people who live there, my issue is bigger than that and it's regarding Soctora being used as a vassal state by hostile nations and the Island competing with the Puntland Economic zone.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

If you control Socotra, you control Puntland. You could sabartage their shipping and security.

 

[Xoxoxo]

I'm a little ignorant regarding those Islands, how did the situation turn out bad with them?

Well the Bajuni islands are native to the bajunis. They just like to mind their own business but ever since Somalia got unified they were put into the same system as my people (minor tribes) and since the mid & late 2000s al-shabaab entered their islands to recruit young men there. Ever since they witnessed the fiasco that happened ever since they don’t want to associate themselves with the Somalis anymore.

 

[Xoxoxo]

@Magan95 a friend of mine who’s Bajuni asp told me that they don’t quite understand why Somalis fight amongst themselves because they (bajunis) see them as who they are, Somalis. They are also surprised by how people back home are extremely violent

 

[Magan95]

@Magan95 a friend of mine who’s Bajuni asp told me that they don’t quite understand why Somalis fight amongst themselves because they (bajunis) see them as who they are, Somalis. They are also surprised by how people back home are extremely violent

It's such a shame that Al-Shaydaan has gone to their Islands, hopefully the Federal Republic of Somalia can get those demons under control within the next decade.

The Bajuuni people are correct... we fight over trivial things.

 

[Dima&Damo]

Puntland Should Invade The Island We Already Control The Smaller Ones Near Us

 

[Aurelian]

This is how:

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Oh lord who made this idiotic map? How can your eez over extend to others territories? This map is not evidence
Look how they draw their Borders, although the line was straight, but it was adjudged with Zanzibar island

 

[Magan95]

Oh lord who made this idiotic map? How can your eez over extend to others territories? This map is not evidence
Look how they draw their Borders, although the line was straight, but it was adjudged with Zanzibar islandView attachment 209440

This was an agreed upon maritime border between Tanzania and Kenya. The Republic of Somalia has not done the same with Yemen.

It still doesn't look as horrendous as the Yemen-Somalia martiime border.

 

[Shimbiris]

@Magan95

Nothing was ever taken from Somalia, it's always been a Semitic island.

Socotra belongs to Meheri Arabs, Puntites have a long-standing relationship with them and we're not interested in ever exploiting them even if Somalia becomes very powerful. It's not palatable for us to backstab our oldest allies and in-laws.

Socotra doesn't even belong to Yemen, it should be under the Mahrah Sultanate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahra_Sultanate

The natives of Socotra are not Mehris but Soqotris. They're a distinct group of "Modern South Arabian" speakers with their own language that is only, as far as I know, related to Mehri as a fellow MSA language.

 

[Shimbiris]

The natives of Socotra are not Mehris but Soqotris. They're a distinct group of "Modern South Arabian" speakers with their own language that is only, as far as I know, related to Mehri as a fellow MSA language.

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I should add too that both actual Yemeni Arabs and Somalis historically seem to have taken close to no interest in Socotra. The natives Soqotris seem to have been there for thousands of years and other than some moored slave, southeast Africans no one else really bothered with the place. It's a bit obvious why. In modern times it seems very strategically useful and has tourist appeal but before the modern era the only things that island was really good for were pasture and fishing and not a whole lot of both either. Why would Somalis migrate from Somaliweyn to do the same things they'd do in Somaliweyn on smaller, poorer land?

No reason at all. Especially when you consider that the Somalis who were mostly seafarers and fishermen were usually reer magaal or fishing village folk who'd somewhat already forsaken their pastoral nomadic roots. People like this would be better served migrating to Arabia, more eastern Asia and Southeast Africa if they wanted better opportunities and that's what they largely did.

 

[Aurelian]

This was an agreed upon maritime border between Tanzania and Kenya. The Republic of Somalia has not done the same with Yemen.

It still doesn't look as horrendous as the Yemen-Somalia martiime border.

Still you can’t take what others already own. I just don’t want to be laughed at.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

We should claim Socotra on the basis that they speak Afro Asiatic and EM35 was the founder of Afro Asiatic languages.

 

[Shimbiris]

We should claim Socotra on the basis that they speak Afro Asiatic and EM35 was the founder of Afro Asiatic languages.

But they're predominantly J1.

But, unrelatedly, you're right. Northeast Africa, particularly around the Red Sea Hills and southern Nile Valley seems to be the area linguists so far tend to favor for the Proto-AA homeland which also has a lot of overlap with the Proto-Cushitic homeland. E-M35 sublineages are also clearly the quitessential AA lineages and we Horners are rich in them at 60% or more for every ethnic group. Even Masris are E-M35 rich. Mark my words, whether they were majority MENA or proto-Nilotic or a mix, whenever they do narrow down the likely PAA archaeological culture and sample their DNA, Horners will be heavily descended from them, perhaps more so than any other group including Arabians.

 

[Shimbiris]

My case would be EM35 languages have been spoken in Socotra for thousands of years, and so there must have been EM35 carriers in Socotra prior to J1'S.

Walaal, the gaalo at the UN would laugh us out of the room if we based our case on Y-DNA and ancient linguistics. And in that case the Yemenis win as these people are Semites directly related to Semitic groups in Yemen.

 

[Magan95]

Still you can’t take what others already own

Seems like the UAE already took it. They have a military base on that Island and telecommunication facilities. Apparently, they tried to get Somalia to stake claim to the Island in exchange for reopening a hospital and financial aid. Not sure how accurate this is since I can't find a reputable news source or response from the Somali government.

But they're predominantly J1.

But, unrelatedly, you're right. Northeast Africa, particularly around the Red Sea Hills and southern Nile Valley seems to be the area linguists so far tend to favor for the Proto-AA homeland which also has a lot of overlap with the Proto-Cushitic homeland. E-M35 sublineages are also clearly the quitessential AA lineages and we Horners are rich in them at 60% or more for every ethnic group. Even Masris are E-M35 rich. Mark my words, whether they were majority MENA or proto-Nilotic or a mix, whenever they do narrow down the likely PAA archaeological culture and sample their DNA, Horners will be heavily descended from them, perhaps more so than any other group including Arabians.

Have you heard the Socotrese language? Sounds somewhat similar to Tigrinya, granted they have a heavy Amharic influence. I wonder what other Horn languages it sounds like as well.

 

[Shimbiris]

Seems like the UAE already took it. They have a military base on that Island and telecommunication facilities. Apparently, they tried to get Somalia to stake claim to the Island in exchange for reopening a hospital and financial aid. Not sure how accurate this is since I can't find a reputable news source or response from the Somali government.


Have you heard the Socotrese language? Sounds somewhat similar to Tigrinya, granted they have a heavy Amharic influence. I wonder what other Horn languages it sounds like as well.

Well, they are relative Semitic languages. Tigrinya is Ethio-Semitic, a Western Semitic (South Semitic isn't a real thing, from what I know) subbranch like Modern South Arabian but I don't think they're particularly closely related when compared to say Northwest Semitic (Aramaic and Hebrew's branch) or Old South Arabian (Sabaean's branch) which is not ancestral to MSA, for the record.

 

[Periplus]

The only way to take Socotra without having to factor in the people’s feelings toward Somalia is by forcibly moving them or settling Somalis to even out demographics.

Both of those are crimes against humanity.

Easy ethnic cleansing case for any half-decent lawyer to make.

 

[Zoobear]

After Socotra, we will conquer the archipelago Seychelles. It is our rightful claim.