Solution to Somalia's problem : Stop aid money

[Som]

As we know a lot of the FGS budget comed from aid money from western countries and gulf arabs. Most of the money is stolen by politicians and it's almost never used for our country's development. Somali politicians are not stupid, in many cases we are talking about people who have degrees and knowledge so why are they so corrupt? The reason is aid money. The average somali president or presidential candidate has a western passport, and lot's of money in the bank account. Presidency or becoming prime minister is just a way to make more money. They have zero interests in developing the country cause they don't answer to the people and they'll get the aid money no matter what. All the poltical fights in Somalia are because of money only the stupid qabil miltiamen still think is about their qabil getting power.
Somaliland is an example of the fact we don't need much aid money, I'm sure the moment the west stops sending money the somali politicians will have to figure out a way to make the country work.
Look at the opposition right now. The only reason why they didn't remove Farmaajo is because they fear the wedt will stop sending aid money if they take power through violence.

 

[Based]

I've never thought about it like this why do the west keep sending aid when they know that the money isn't being used on the people? It's like they want us to stay poor and dependent on them

 

[Habbad]

last I checked the governments whole budget was basically run on aid money. cutting off aid money is possible when you actually control your nation and have means to produce your own income. how the f*ck is the govnernment gonna gain income? are diasporas gonna have to fund the countries budget?

 

[Som]

last I checked the governments whole budget was basically run on aid money. cutting off aid money is possible when you actually control your nation and have means to produce your own income. how the f*ck is the govnernment gonna gain income? are diasporas gonna have to fund the countries budget?

This a cycle that never ends.
They send aid money, polticians steal the money, then they ask for more cause the country will collpase without. Repeat cycle
The truth is that stopping aid money won't affect the people that much. The FGS does almost nothing for ordinary somalis who survivie with money sent by relatives abroad. If the Fgs taxed just Xamar I'm sure they would get the same tax revenue that somaliland gets. It's not much but you can survive on it. If they taxed even PL and free areas of southern somalia they would reach the budget of an average African nation.
Business is good in Somalia, really very good for a so called failed state.
If the west wants to help us they need to give the resources directly to poor somalis and not the governement.

 

[Som]

last I checked the governments whole budget was basically run on aid money. cutting off aid money is possible when you actually control your nation and have means to produce your own income. how the f*ck is the govnernment gonna gain income? are diasporas gonna have to fund the countries budget?

Actually the govt could even tax diaspora remittance , i would be glad to contribuite to my country even a little bit.
If the governement uses money properly diaspora will be glad to help out

 

[Som]

last I checked the governments whole budget was basically run on aid money. cutting off aid money is possible when you actually control your nation and have means to produce your own income. how the f*ck is the govnernment gonna gain income? are diasporas gonna have to fund the countries budget?

Just look at how much money there is in Xamar.
All the telephone companies, small businesses , hotels, restaurants. We really have much more business going on than other african countries with our same population.

 

[Jungle]

Just look at how much money there is in Xamar.
All the telephone companies, small businesses , hotels, restaurants. We really have much more business going on than other african countries with our same population.

Lets cut off international aid for somalia and fund the country by just taxing mogadishu is what you're saying.

 

[fais]

Aid money decentivice people, trust me, Somalia is a cash cow for corrupt politician, the AU troops and all the NGO's that don't do anything significant.

 

[0117]

As we know a lot of the FGS budget comed from aid money from western countries and gulf arabs. Most of the money is stolen by politicians and it's almost never used for our country's development. Somali politicians are not stupid, in many cases we are talking about people who have degrees and knowledge so why are they so corrupt? The reason is aid money. The average somali president or presidential candidate has a western passport, and lot's of money in the bank account. Presidency or becoming prime minister is just a way to make more money. They have zero interests in developing the country cause they don't answer to the people and they'll get the aid money no matter what. All the poltical fights in Somalia are because of money only the stupid qabil miltiamen still think is about their qabil getting power.
Somaliland is an example of the fact we don't need much aid money, I'm sure the moment the west stops sending money the somali politicians will have to figure out a way to make the country work.
Look at the opposition right now. The only reason why they didn't remove Farmaajo is because they fear the wedt will stop sending aid money if they take power through violence.

Somaliland is not an example.
Here are two aid programs within the country at the moment.

Home

Contextuele opleidingen en trainingen over de invloed, mogelijkheden en krachtvelden van familiebanden en andere relaties.

www.somalilanddevelopmentfund.org

ESRES - Energy Security and Resource Efficiency in Somaliland - Home

ESRES - Energy Security and Resource Efficiency in Somaliland.

esres-somaliland.org

Don't forget the biggest the Aid development at the moment is the the Abu Dhabi Fund for Development who are contributing $90M to support with the rehabilitation of the Berbera corridor.All these programs that I've shared will contribute to the countries economic growth which will raise more TAX and employment in the country.So how is this bad when the country isn't capable to fund such programs due to it's ting budget and unrecognised status?
Have you ever read any reports from the UN, World Bank, African Development Bank and other multilateral or NGO's on Somalia?

 

[Som]

Somaliland is not an example.
Here are two aid programs within the country at the moment.

Home

Contextuele opleidingen en trainingen over de invloed, mogelijkheden en krachtvelden van familiebanden en andere relaties.

www.somalilanddevelopmentfund.org

ESRES - Energy Security and Resource Efficiency in Somaliland - Home

ESRES - Energy Security and Resource Efficiency in Somaliland.

esres-somaliland.org

Don't forget the biggest the Aid development at the moment is the the Abu Dhabi Fund for Development who are contributing $90M to support with the rehabilitation of the Berbera corridor.All these programs that I've shared will contribute to the countries economic growth which will raise more TAX and employment in the country.So how is this bad when the country isn't capable to fund such programs due to it's ting budget and unrecognised status?
Have you ever read any reports from the UN, World Bank, African Development Bank and other multilateral or NGO's on Somalia?

Some aid Money is normal, but on average I guess SL takes less foreign Aid than the FGS.

 

[Som]

Aid money decentivice people, trust me, Somalia is a cash cow for corrupt politician, the AU troops and all the NGO's that don't do anything significant.

If Somalia was left alone by the west I'm sure we would be like somaliland right now.
Not rich, but at least stable.
Even Siad Barre's governement was destroyed because of foreign aid and debt after the '77 war, before 1977 Somalia was able to sustain it self with only some aid from the USSR and Italy.
In the 1980s Burkina faso under communist leader Thomas Sankara achieved important things like water and foos acces for every one. They went from having people dying of starvation to having almost complete food access for everyone. They also went from 13% litteracy to 73% litteracy in just 4 years.
All they did was refuse most aid money except Soviet and also started produciy everything they need in their country instead of buying it.
Unfortunately Sankara was murdered by french supported militias who wanted Burkina Faso to be dependant on the west.

 

[codewebsduh]

Dumb idea, we need the aid money to kickstart the growth of our national industries. IC is funding alot of the infrastructure of Somalia and is one of the reasons we are seeing any growth at all.

For instance just last year UAE funded a 7 MW solar powerplant in Bosaso, this leads to lower electricity costs and obviously the ability for factories to develop.

We need to just manage the money better , not destroy the nation.

 

[Yonis]

last I checked the governments whole budget was basically run on aid money. cutting off aid money is possible when you actually control your nation and have means to produce your own income. how the f*ck is the govnernment gonna gain income? are diasporas gonna have to fund the countries budget?

You get more of what you subsidise. If you subsidise helplessness and begging for money like this shameless government in mogadishu, you get more of that, and it becomes an endless cycle.

You might complain about cutting aid, but the current situation does not work and will not work.

 

[fais]

If Somalia was left alone by the west I'm sure we would be like somaliland right now.
Not rich, but at least stable.
Even Siad Barre's governement was destroyed because of foreign aid and debt after the '77 war, before 1977 Somalia was able to sustain it self with only some aid from the USSR and Italy.
In the 1980s Burkina faso under communist leader Thomas Sankara achieved important things like water and foos acces for every one. They went from having people dying of starvation to having almost complete food access for everyone. They also went from 13% litteracy to 73% litteracy in just 4 years.
All they did was refuse most aid money except Soviet and also started produciy everything they need in their country instead of buying it.
Unfortunately Sankara was murdered by french supported militias who wanted Burkina Faso to be dependant on the west.

When you think about it the solutions for Somalia's problem is not that complicated, the whole thing is just made unmanageable because of all these foreign interests in the country.

 

[fais]

Somaliland is not an example.
Here are two aid programs within the country at the moment.

Home

Contextuele opleidingen en trainingen over de invloed, mogelijkheden en krachtvelden van familiebanden en andere relaties.

www.somalilanddevelopmentfund.org

ESRES - Energy Security and Resource Efficiency in Somaliland - Home

ESRES - Energy Security and Resource Efficiency in Somaliland.

esres-somaliland.org

Don't forget the biggest the Aid development at the moment is the the Abu Dhabi Fund for Development who are contributing $90M to support with the rehabilitation of the Berbera corridor.All these programs that I've shared will contribute to the countries economic growth which will raise more TAX and employment in the country.So how is this bad when the country isn't capable to fund such programs due to it's ting budget and unrecognised status?
Have you ever read any reports from the UN, World Bank, African Development Bank and other multilateral or NGO's on Somalia?

SDF and other support for Somaliland is like a drop in the bucket compared to the direct aid Somalia gets.

 

[Som]

Lets cut off international aid for somalia and fund the country by just taxing mogadishu is what you're saying.

Not just Xamar, all areas under FGS or member states control should be taxed.
There's enough money to sustain ourselves

 

[Som]

SDF and other support for Somaliland is like a drop in the bucket compared to the direct aid Somalia gets.

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Does somaliland share aid with somalia? I think I've heard something like that

 

[Som]

When you think about it the solutions for Somalia's problem is not that complicated, the whole thing is just made unmanageable because of all these foreign interests in the country.

That's true. People here on Sspot like to bash Somalia's inefficiency but the truth is that the West and the gulf countries are partially to blame
The international community de facto controls the somali governement, every single administration answered to the west and Somalia is still a mess. The whole system is created by western partners, somalis never had the chance to figure out this stuff on their own

 

[freedomrider]

That's true. People here on Sspot like to bash Somalia's inefficiency but the truth is that the West and the gulf countries are partially to blame
The international community de facto controls the somali governement, every single administration answered to the west and Somalia is still a mess. The whole system is created by western partners, somalis never had the chance to figure out this stuff on their own

Somalia can't manage it self, this is a great opportunity for other countries. They fund the candidates election compagin in return of a favor.

 

[fais]

That's true. People here on Sspot like to bash Somalia's inefficiency but the truth is that the West and the gulf countries are partially to blame
The international community de facto controls the somali governement, every single administration answered to the west and Somalia is still a mess. The whole system is created by western partners, somalis never had the chance to figure out this stuff on their own

Even successful businessmen like the founder of Worldremit acknowledges that the so called aid is poison.

He hits the nail on the head with this one, and with personal experiences of how these NGO's operates.

Aid agencies can be harmful, says Somaliland tycoon

Ismail Ahmed, a refugee turned multimillionaire, says his country has had to battle ‘negative PR’

www.theguardian.com