Somali atheists how will you raise your kids?

[Khathead]

Here in the west degeneracy is normalized. 13 year olds can get a bf with the parent's approval. Young teens can go out clubbing, drinking, doing drugs and have sex and the parens will be ok with it since religion isn't strong in them. I don't think many rebellious teenagers will think ''my dad said i'm not allowed to do drugs'' when offered a pill. I think they may think ''it's against my religion to do drugs''. So how do you tackle these situations?

 

[AceofSom]

they will raise them as gaalo with no shame

 

[cantspeak]

You essentially have to replace Islam with another equally as strong philosophy or ideology. You have to explain to them why and not lie to them ever.

Also you got to realise that your fighting a losing battle as you no longer have any kind of objective morals. So you can't instill a sense of moral values that is set in stone.

Your kids are gonna do whatever the f*ck they want in the end.

 

[Jujuman]

1. Thread with the purpose of asking Atheists a question
2. Muslim takes the time to answer on their behalf.


I would raise any potential child under my set of rules which I haven't exactly finalised (for obvious reasons) but with the strong emphasis of education and teaching them how rather than what to think.

 

[The_Cosmos]

I find it highly cynical that you would state that "degeneracy is normalised" whilst completely ignoring the reality that the places who tend to do best in education, human rights and so on, tend to be the least religious. Religion doesn't give you morals, it gives you a set of rules.

How would I raise my kids? There are several ways I'm going to do this:

1) I'm going to educate my children so that they can gain the best out of this world.

2) I'm going educate them about their bodies and sexuality in order so that the boys don't objectify the women and the women don't objectify themselves. I won't guard them from the realities of life but instead, I will teach them how to act responsibly.

3) I will give them the tools to be able to think for themselves.

4) I'm not omniscient and thus my kids will do things I won't be aware of. I will teach them to trust rather than obey me and my rules. I will provide justifications for why I have set these rules and if they find it objectionable, they must argue why.

5) I will encourage them to follow their dreams irregardless of how I feel about it. If my daughter wishes to pursue something I don't particularly like, then as long as it does not objectify her or cause harm to her, I support it.

Children are not your pets to control and mould as you see fit. They are people who will grow up and become adults in their own rights. Teach them to be thini rather than believe.

Religion does NOT hold an incentive in moral values.

 

[supz]

Wont have any kids, I'm sorted. imma rake in the money

 

[The_Cosmos]

You essentially have to replace Islam with another equally as strong philosophy or ideology. You have to explain to them why and not lie to them ever.

Also you got to realise that your fighting a losing battle as you no longer have any kind of objective morals. So you can't instill a sense of moral values that is set in stone.

Your kids are gonna do whatever the f*ck they want in the end.

What complete and utter nonsense. That is just implying that we, atheists, don't have any moral values that we can project to our children because it isn't "objective". Define objective morality and what constitutes something to be objective. We have extensively discussed this topic on other threads.

Moral values are not objective but that does not mean they're meaningless as you seem to imply.

 

[McLovin]

I don't think you've heard of the recent phenomena called hoejabis The answer is less totalitarianism not more. Otherwise you will risk fetishising the very thing you don't want them to engage in

 

[cantspeak]

What complete and utter nonsense. That is just implying that we, atheists, don't have any moral values that we can project to our children because it isn't "objective". Define objective morality and what constitutes something to be objective. We have extensively discussed this topic on other threads.

Moral values are not objective but that does not mean they're meaningless as you seem to imply.

Butthurt atheist gunning for my throat already. I'm not gonna take the bait and go into several hour debate of subjective and objective morals, its been done to death already.

I've said this before that you can't really guarantee that your kids won't turn into degenerates. Even if you do X,Y,Z they can still turn out trash, (see white liberal parent households and hoejabis).

 

[Khathead]

I don't think you've heard of the recent phenomena called hoejabis The answer is less totalitarianism not more. Otherwise you will risk fetishising the very thing you don't want them to engage in

You are right, I remember this girl who would take off her hijab before getting drunk at the clubs

 

[Jujuman]

Butthurt atheist gunning for my throat already. I'm not gonna take the bait and go into several hour debate of subjective and objective morals, its been done to death already.

I've said this before that you can't really guarantee that your kids won't turn into degenerates. Even if you do X,Y,Z they can still turn out trash, (see white liberal parent households and hoejabis).

Just as you can't guarantee your kids won't turn into degenerates.

 

[dhegdheer]

Plz many gaalo kids turn out pretty well adjusted because they're parents don't shelter them and actually take the time out to sit them down and speak to them about topics like sex etc

I don't want children but if I ended up with some I'd basically follow @TheCosmos comment as a template

 

[The_Cosmos]

Butthurt atheist gunning for my throat already. I'm not gonna take the bait and go into several hour debate of subjective and objective morals, its been done to death already.

I've said this before that you can't really guarantee that your kids won't turn into degenerates. Even if you do X,Y,Z they can still turn out trash, (see white liberal parent households and hoejabis).

Nobody came "gunning" for you, you're the one that made a claim about us and I reacted. What did you expect, that you can say whatever you want and not expect rebuttals?

Well if you don't want to get into a debate, then you shouldn't initiate one. The debate has been made and the points were made and thus you shouldn't make claims that have already been answered if you don't want to go through them again.

As for your last point, you've basically made the obvious point. Nobody, neither an atheist nor a religious person, can guarantee that their children will not be "degenerates". Furthermore, the reality of the matter is that societies who don't follow religious values but instead follow secular values tend to do better than religious societies. I mean, is anyone really going to argue that Muslim societies are somehow superior to secular societies when comparing the two? At least, nobody who lives in the west can make such arguments.

Western society has laid the foundations for the moral values that are upheld by international law today. In fact, most countries strive to achieve the standards of the west. (Note: I'm talking about the current western society and not the previous ones. I have to point that out just in case you throw around the history nonsense).

 

[The_Cosmos]

Plz many gaalo kids turn out pretty well adjusted because they're parents don't shelter them and actually take the time out to sit them down and speak to them about topics like sex etc

I don't want children but if I ended up with some I'd basically follow @TheCosmos comment as a template

I never wanted a kid until quite recently actually. Nonetheless, I want no more than 3 preferably a boy and two daughters.

 

[ItzDoctorZ]

I'm not sure if I want kids to be honest. Hypothetically speaking, in terms of beliefs I would let them decide and wouldn't force anything on them. I would also have my own set of rules on what is right and wrong.

 

[OmarLittle]

Wont have any kids, I'm sorted. imma rake in the money

Me too, I won't have kids either. I will just donate to orphan organizations.

 

[AceofSom]

No shame like most typical gaalos.

 

[OmarLittle]

Just as you can't guarantee your kids won't turn into degenerates.

Yeah, I didn't see that person's input

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Atheists and non religious people don't have a set moral code to live by like we Muslims (or other religious people do).

Their ethics are usually a mixture of genetically endowed and culture induced values.

There isn't really an "Atheist moral code for dummies book".

 

[Jujuman]

Atheists and non religious people don't have a set moral code to live by like we Muslims (or other religious people do).

Their ethics are usually a mixture of genetically endowed and culture induced values.

There isn't really an "Atheist moral code for dummies book".

You seriously think Islam is a good basis for having a moral code; a religion which makes the parent believe that mutilating their sons genitalia iS a virtuous act.