Somali Government And People Have A Budget Fetish

[DR OSMAN]

1975 before graph also had drought disaster. Siad Barre saved many lives. He talks at 11 min mark. Even we had govt country was disaster because of its location and climate

How Somali drought was dealt with in the past

Please tell your federal govt and Hargeisa budgetkina Soo xira at the end of year and reconcile it with bank account receipts and tax receipts like all budgets worldwide. Watch them arrest you and say how dare you ask us to prove our spreadsheet creation

Anyone can write up a spreadsheet not everyone can show bank account receipts for it tho

So please end your budget fetish I've been observing it for a while and it's now gone into insanity.

Let them be waryaa busy writing numbers in spreadsheet.

Get your ass to PL, Your the Member representing for Galdogob, at least we close our budgets and live in reality, why U prefer fantasy fictional areas like Hamar, Hargeisa?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam You must be happy like a pig is in shit. When you saw Leelkase 4.5 portion of 5 MPs while Maxamud Salebans is 6. As @Chaseyourdreamzz knows many no nonsense mjs want to get inside galdogob and say who do U think U r. Ma waxad moodeen in la hurdo we know the huge loot U guys did.

Sometimes @Libaax-Joore is right all the good abdillahi Yusuf is remembered for is cancelled by the huge khasaaro on mj which still lives on for 20 years lol, a damn Issa with 8 seats don't get me started my blood boils how he accepted 4.5 in the first place and he didn't stop there he said leelkase ayaa 5 kursi leh and maxamud Salebans 6.

Iga dhaaf Soo hadal qaadkisa for that one good thing he did establish the federal govt but came with many clan khasaaro. I wonder did he even do trade off vs benefits gained by such madness.

La gartay personal ambitions and undoing his ssdf wrongs, legacies, etc but to put your clan into gunnimo for 20 years even me and dad look at each other and say war waxas maxay tahay, it's like a mystery unexplained and mysteries is for kids.

If we all knew this was apart of the deal wallahi we would be inside jamac Ali jamac camp but his sell out, who do we choose gunnimo vs more gunnimo. Is somalinimo only possible hadi mj LA gumeeyo, marka somalinimadasi maxaba na geeye. After everything we done for Somalis even neglecting ourselves since 1960 till 2009 you still have ppl say we need to do more and we need to accept somalinimo means mj suffering well ok I'm changing that chapter and I'm PL first.

 

[GN108036]

@Hilmaam fight the good fight. Being interested in stats & figures is not a fetish. You can't implement change using anecdotes and hearsay.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam fight the good fight. Being interested in stats & figures is not a fetish. You can't implement change using anecdotes and hearsay.

Writing spreadsheets is just that, proving it is a whole different story. Budget need bank account receipts not figured written in a spreadsheet, no budget exists in the sane world without reconciling it and putting bank account receipts on it, it's called closing or end of year budget the very most important stage, where as all these guys do is post opening budget after budget year to year a never ending opening budget

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GN108036 our friend @Hilmaam has fled back to PL where budgets are opened and closed each year like every normal country, his the member for the seat of galdogob.

His like damn U irir samaale fictional lunatics and runs back to PL

 

[Garaad Awal]

I hate when Somalis debate on shit and what they debating or preaching isn't even established as a fact but is just usually non factual to begin with.

I sit there dumbfounded with Somalis

Bro is describing himself

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Chaseyourdreamzz Member for Galdogob please arise at once for question time. There is an allegation your constituency isn't only settled by your clan Leelkase, many mj clans live there, how is it you have 5 MPs in federal parliament and big share in PL parliament? Has corruption occured here and double dipping into the cookie jar.

Member for Galdogob please stop going off point and answer the question it's question time and Puntland constituency would like to know why your not rotating(wareegto) in 1 seat forget even having a whole seat. All Puntites MPs cheer here here. PL parliament isn't 4.5 but districts and states unlike Hamar lower house, so I will need to call U member for leelkase there.

This how I would talk to leelkase firm and hard yelling member for galdogob arise at once.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Chaseyourdreamzz truly your lucky having all them seats federally and regionally. Yet your ppl still complain like talk about next level kibir.

Do U know their are countless mj who don't even have a seat yes no seat and some even rotate on a seat with another clan like my jifi with reer Omar, we are lucky, as their some areas who are absolutely tough and have 5 or more clans rotating on a seat, imagine waiting for your turn in such scenario?

It's a big thing if U even get 1 whole seat to yourself in PL, it's very much no nonsense.

 

[Hilmaam]

Please tell your federal govt and Hargeisa budgetkina Soo xira at the end of year and reconcile it with bank account receipts and tax receipts like all budgets worldwide. Watch them arrest you and say how dare you ask us to prove our spreadsheet creation

Anyone can write up a spreadsheet not everyone can show bank account receipts for it tho

So please end your budget fetish I've been observing it for a while and it's now gone into insanity.

Let them be waryaa busy writing numbers in spreadsheet.

Get your ass to PL, Your the Member representing for Galdogob, at least we close our budgets and live in reality, why U prefer fantasy fictional areas like Hamar, Hargeisa?

Waar Hamar and Hargeisa documents much more thorough and well put together than Puntland report. Look at puntland ministry of finance site it’s and then go to somaliland and fgs one it’s night and day. Your targeting them because they have higher domestic revenue say mashallah they are somali people too

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

@DR OSMAN I’m not the spokesperson for my tribe leave that to the elders

 

[DR OSMAN]

Waar Hamar and Hargeisa documents much more thorough and well put together than Puntland report. Look at puntland ministry of finance site it’s and then go to somaliland and fgs one it’s night and day. Your targeting them because they have higher domestic revenue say mashallah they are somali people too

Higher? No budget closed who can't just do budget forecasts, anyone can do it, when they close their budget we be talking big then till then we assume the worst empty bank accounts and why they can't close it every year or the other reason is fear their futo qaawan will be seen.

Sxb beyond this point now it's just arrogance on your part, it's them not closing the budget which means ppl can assume the bank account is nil and won't produce recriptsfor end of year reconcilation.

 

[Hilmaam]

@Hilmaam You must be happy like a pig is in shit. When you saw Leelkase 4.5 portion of 5 MPs while Maxamud Salebans is 6. As @Chaseyourdreamzz knows many no nonsense mjs want to get inside galdogob and say who do U think U r. Ma waxad moodeen in la hurdo we know the huge loot U guys did.

Sometimes @Libaax-Joore is right all the good abdillahi Yusuf is remembered for is cancelled by the huge khasaaro on mj which still lives on for 20 years lol, a damn Issa with 8 seats don't get me started my blood boils how he accepted 4.5 in the first place and he didn't stop there he said leelkase ayaa 5 kursi leh and maxamud Salebans 6.

Iga dhaaf Soo hadal qaadkisa for that one good thing he did establish the federal govt but came with many clan khasaaro. I wonder did he even do trade off vs benefits gained by such madness.

La gartay personal ambitions and undoing his ssdf wrongs, legacies, etc but to put your clan into gunnimo for 20 years even me and dad look at each other and say war waxas maxay tahay, it's like a mystery unexplained and mysteries is for kids.

If we all knew this was apart of the deal wallahi we would be inside jamac Ali jamac camp but his sell out, who do we choose gunnimo vs more gunnimo. Is somalinimo only possible hadi mj LA gumeeyo, marka somalinimadasi maxaba na geeye. After everything we done for Somalis even neglecting ourselves since 1960 till 2009 you still have ppl say we need to do more and we need to accept somalinimo means mj suffering well ok I'm changing that chapter and I'm PL first.

I don’t believe in this 4.5 Ethiopian created govt and I definitely don’t believe in this stupid democracy and 1m1v Somalis pushing, its waste of money. Who cares what some uneducated geeljire wants. I hope one of the military leaders overthrows this whole system and fires everyone of these bureaucrats. Somalia should be run like company with one ceo till we are normal place thats safe without qabils doing shake down on everything from aid to food production. Fgs foundation is rotten it’s not worthy

 

[Hilmaam]

Higher? No budget closed who can't just do budget forecasts, anyone can do it, when they close their budget we be talking big then till then we assume the worst empty bank accounts and why they can't close it every year or the other reason is fear their futo qaawan will be seen.

Sxb beyond this point now it's just arrogance on your part, it's them not closing the budget which means ppl can assume the bank account is nil and won't produce recriptd for end of year reconcilation.

Let’s agree to disagree we won’t convince each other

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Libaax-Joore

Abdillahi Yusuf did one good thing which was establishing the federal govt and removing us from this stateless vacuum, for that he will be remembered but he also left behind alot of losses such.as returning sacad after USC who had all Somali govt weapons was defeated and disarmed of it. We lost alot of men and he just brought them back. Their death was pointless. Strike 1

Strike 2 was accepting 4.5, and also how he sub divided darod portion, this was two slaps in all our faces. Strike 3 is his absolute silence on JL which Sharmarke had to endorse and assist thru thru Prof Gandhi the founder.

One win, but alot of clan losses is what we see also plus it's not just short term losses, this is 20 years and stretching losses.

Me and my father after analysing it we wrapped it up as Abdillahi Yusuf was ambitious about villa Somalia but more so for changing the chapter on SSDF legacy, he didn't want to die being remembered for that. So personal ambitions, a change of legacies. We also assume he intended to disempower Majertens due to animosity and opposition within it. We backed him mainly because he knew the mindset of moryans and anything post 91 till now is the moryan era where as the other guys were still running around as if it's the 1960s to 1991 era. We were also impressed he wasn't a slave that is bought with money.

As for Jama Ali Jama he was bought and sold by Abdiqasim Salat like a slave we even have Ali Khalif on the record admitting he sent money to him like a slave and told to fight PL, bring it down, and put them all under Hamar, especially the north and south thing.

When all is said and done and it's easy seeing things after the fsct, we faced two bad choices but gee, one though was a damn very dangerous one like Jama Ali Jama, trust me U wouldn't be sitting in here talking like a man if that man won the civil war in PL.

As for YEY, everyone speculates but we just leave it as he was a mysterious man, mysterious ideas, and mysterious conclusion. But the climate Somalia was in and even today, he was the least worst option doesn't mean he was the best he just wasn't as bad as Jama Ali Jama.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

@Libaax-Joore

Abdillahi Yusuf did one good thing which was establishing the federal govt and removing us from this stateless vacuum, for that he will be remembered but he also left behind alot of losses such.as returning sacad after USC who had all Somali govt weapons was defeated and disarmed of it. We lost alot of men and he just brought them back. Their death was pointless. Strike 1

Strike 2 was accepting 4.5, and also how he sub divided darod portion, this was two slaps in all our faces. Strike 3 is his absolute silence on JL which Sharmarke had to endorse and assist thru thru Prof Gandhi the founder.

One win, but alot of clan losses is what we see also plus it's not just short term losses, this is 20 years and stretching losses.

Me and my father after analysing it we wrapped it up as Abdillahi Yusuf was ambitious about villa Somalia but more so for changing the chapter on SSDF legacy, he didn't want to die being remembered for that. So personal ambitions, a change of legacies. We also assume he intended to disempower Majertens due to animosity and opposition within it. We backed him mainly because he knew the mindset of moryans and anything post 91 till now is the moryan era where as the other guys were still running around as if it's the 1960s to 1991 era. We were also impressed he wasn't a slave that is bought with money.

As for Jama Ali Jama he was bought and sold by Abdiqasim Salat like a slave we even have Ali Khalif on the record admitting he sent money to him like a slave and told to fight PL, bring it down, and put them all under Hamar, especially the north and south thing.

When all is said and done and it's easy seeing things after the fsct, we faced two bad choices but gee, one though was a damn very dangerous one like Jama Ali Jama, trust me U wouldn't be sitting in here talking like a man if that man won the civil war in PL.

As for YEY, everyone speculates but we just leave it as he was a mysterious man, mysterious ideas, and mysterious conclusion. But the climate Somalia was in and even today, he was the least worst option doesn't mean he was the best he just wasn't as bad as Jama Ali Jama.

We know who was abdiqasim real yes man

 

[El Nino]

I am not loyal to fgs. people always want to blame clan for all our problems but i never truly believed that. Read my quote bellow on minumum required goverment budget for a fragile state. the reason our govt doesnt work is because its budget isnt even 30% of a fragile govt. Our failed govt is reflection of our failed economy. Nobody is generating wealth back home. Even Puntland and somaliland most stable states has nothing going for them.Both states each year get hundreds of millions of dollars in aid from west. then they get hudnreds of millinos sent from west. This money is used to import eveything used within country. Guess where all the govt revenue comes?????

100% nail on the head. Clans were formed due to lack of resources and it will only end when resources become plentiful. That will be extremely hard.

We have very little amount of fertile land and we could probably convert a little more. That won’t be enough to meet the countrys demands but we aren’t properly even trying.

Somalia could probably be self sustaining regarding protein production. Proper management and use of cattle, fisheris and poultry could make this possible. In order for this to happen somalis will have to stop selling cattle to Middle East. That will be hard because reer miyi need money and there is no real industry back home.

Back to square one. Country is kept up by aid and remittances. None of these sources haven’t been used to create any real industry. Not even low hanging ones like meat and fish processing plants.
No real factory exists back home.

Shidaal is our only way out. It looks promising but Im anxious. If it fails, we are fucked. Resources are needed for development, there is not a single developed country that made it without having resources.

Im optimistic but I understand why you aren’t. We got every problem imaginable against us but there isn’t any choice but to prevail.

True progress will be made when the populace realises that we don’t have enough resources and only way forward is by hard work and thinking outside the box. Also being ok to wait your turn. Patience is needed.

Kacaan had the right idea to develop south first as most of the population and fertile land was located there. Somalia should focus first on developing all available agricultural areas which would be koonfur, waqooyi galbeed and sanaag. Others would have to wait.

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[Hilmaam]

100% nail on the head. Clans were formed due to lack of resources and it will only end when resources become plentiful. That will be extremely hard.

We have very little amount of fertile land and we could probably convert a little more. That won’t be enough to meet the countrys demands but we aren’t properly even trying.

Somalia could probably be self sustaining regarding protein production. Proper management and use of cattle, fisheris and poultry could make this possible. In order for this to happen somalis will have to stop selling cattle to Middle East. That will be hard because reer miyi need money and there is no real industry back home.

Back to square one. Country is kept up by aid and remittances. None of these sources haven’t been used to create any real industry. Not even low hanging ones like meat and fish processing plants.
No real factory exists back home.

Shidaal is our only way out. It looks promising but Im anxious. If it fails, we are fucked. Resources are needed for development, there is not a single developed country that made it without having resources.

Im optimistic but I understand why you aren’t. We got every problem imaginable against us but there isn’t any choice but to prevail.

True progress will be made when the populace realises that we don’t have enough resources and only way forward is by hard work and thinking outside the box. Also being ok to wait your turn. Patience is needed.

Kacaan had the right idea to develop south first as most of the population and fertile land was located there. Somalia should focus first on developing all available agricultural areas which would be koonfur, waqooyi galbeed and sanaag. Others would have to wait.

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. The south should gets investment until we are food secure . people shouldn’t be jealous this aid money from west not from your pocket . Property rights should be secured and people from all walks allowed to invest safely and grow food whether from west or other regions . The only resource we have today is diaspora who send billions but that money goes straight to imports and nothing sustainable built because of lack of security and infrastructure like roads and electricity. Hopefully we find oil but even if we find it will take long time to drill probably 7-10 years

yes our elders and religious community failed country . We are now puppets to 3rd world nations like Kenya and Ethiopia sad!

the population growth can be good but it can also lead to us eating ourselves and fighting over scraps. Look how big Oromo are and they just slaves to Amhara or Tigray

 

[Libaax-Joore]

@Libaax-Joore

Abdillahi Yusuf did one good thing which was establishing the federal govt and removing us from this stateless vacuum, for that he will be remembered but he also left behind alot of losses such.as returning sacad after USC who had all Somali govt weapons was defeated and disarmed of it. We lost alot of men and he just brought them back. Their death was pointless. Strike 1

Strike 2 was accepting 4.5, and also how he sub divided darod portion, this was two slaps in all our faces. Strike 3 is his absolute silence on JL which Sharmarke had to endorse and assist thru thru Prof Gandhi the founder.

One win, but alot of clan losses is what we see also plus it's not just short term losses, this is 20 years and stretching losses.

Me and my father after analysing it we wrapped it up as Abdillahi Yusuf was ambitious about villa Somalia but more so for changing the chapter on SSDF legacy, he didn't want to die being remembered for that. So personal ambitions, a change of legacies. We also assume he intended to disempower Majertens due to animosity and opposition within it. We backed him mainly because he knew the mindset of moryans and anything post 91 till now is the moryan era where as the other guys were still running around as if it's the 1960s to 1991 era. We were also impressed he wasn't a slave that is bought with money.

As for Jama Ali Jama he was bought and sold by Abdiqasim Salat like a slave we even have Ali Khalif on the record admitting he sent money to him like a slave and told to fight PL, bring it down, and put them all under Hamar, especially the north and south thing.

When all is said and done and it's easy seeing things after the fsct, we faced two bad choices but gee, one though was a damn very dangerous one like Jama Ali Jama, trust me U wouldn't be sitting in here talking like a man if that man won the civil war in PL.

As for YEY, everyone speculates but we just leave it as he was a mysterious man, mysterious ideas, and mysterious conclusion. But the climate Somalia was in and even today, he was the least worst option doesn't mean he was the best he just wasn't as bad as Jama Ali Jama.

Jama Ali jama wa Landhere muse sultan 🫡

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

despite the factors you point out, the growth of a budget is still a good way to measure growth.

 

[DR OSMAN]

100% nail on the head. Clans were formed due to lack of resources and it will only end when resources become plentiful. That will be extremely hard.

We have very little amount of fertile land and we could probably convert a little more. That won’t be enough to meet the countrys demands but we aren’t properly even trying.

Somalia could probably be self sustaining regarding protein production. Proper management and use of cattle, fisheris and poultry could make this possible. In order for this to happen somalis will have to stop selling cattle to Middle East. That will be hard because reer miyi need money and there is no real industry back home.

Back to square one. Country is kept up by aid and remittances. None of these sources haven’t been used to create any real industry. Not even low hanging ones like meat and fish processing plants.
No real factory exists back home.

Shidaal is our only way out. It looks promising but Im anxious. If it fails, we are fucked. Resources are needed for development, there is not a single developed country that made it without having resources.

Im optimistic but I understand why you aren’t. We got every problem imaginable against us but there isn’t any choice but to prevail.

True progress will be made when the populace realises that we don’t have enough resources and only way forward is by hard work and thinking outside the box. Also being ok to wait your turn. Patience is needed.

Kacaan had the right idea to develop south first as most of the population and fertile land was located there. Somalia should focus first on developing all available agricultural areas which would be koonfur, waqooyi galbeed and sanaag. Others would have to wait.

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As for your point regarding Wadaad, listen when your a failed people and nation and u can't tolerate the pain and suffering anymore their is 2 options.

One is live on earth like a duli in hell and try to convince yourself that akhiro has rewards for you and that your being punished temporarily. These arguments were also used in dark age Europe Christianity, same idea just different religion.

The other option is ppl.resort to drugs, alcohol, gangs, hoods, crime, violence and depending on the person personality, he will select one to soothe the pain and frustration being from a failed country and people.

Those are the only real options open for a community of failed ppl. Adopt extremism.like shabab and copy n paste the shababs of dark age Europe Christian and yes they were shabab in their own context and put.people into it, or resort to drugs, alcohol, crimes, violence.

No Somali is clean in the diaspora many are in deep crimes like Childcare rorts, fraud on single mother payments, some even go back to Somalia to loot money from disabled, elderly, and kids. Some drink or do drugs,.some resort to crime and gangs

Everyone is in pain and expressing their pain in different ways. The biggest problem facing s they think sins don't exist and makes ppl murtad, no man or woman is perfect and everyone has sins is reality.