Somali politics is a dead end

[bluebird]

Gobalism or muh Qabiil village will never work and has never worked, the more you divide each other in small clan fiefdom the overall weaker you become as a group and the more you begin to quarrel within sub-clan's which is already happening, you become ripe for exploitation as well as divide and conquer strategies, becoming weaker and weaker to the point we will be wiped of the map.

The British colonialist set up these small tribal fiefdom as a strategy to control large lands and populations, they knew these fiefdoms would each compete against each other for servitude while further dividing themselves over petty local stuff, and as a result they could never collectively challenge the British and they could be wiped out with absolute ease, this is the classic bull story.

History never lies, the Israelite's divided themselves into 12 tribes and different fiefdoms, this allowed the Roman's to conquer them with ease who were all united, it allowed the romans to appoint their own puppets to the point they came after Nabi Isa to kill him because one of their own ratted him out, and as a result they were wiped off the map.

The whole reason why we are in this shit hole in the first place is because of this division which allowed Kikyu, Xabashi's and the Europeans to control us from A-Z with absolute ease, and people are advocating for more disunity in response which is what I got us in this shit hole in the first place, you couldn't make this stuff up.

Even the 4 million Tigrays ruling the 80 million hordes with a iron first understand this unity concept better then us, utterly disappointed reading some of these comments from people I didn't expect.

Today is the closest Somali's have ever been to unity in the 30 years that passed and you see this wherever you go, hence why you have all these parasite countries interfering in ways they never did before, the youth by unanimous consensus despise muh qabiil, so does all the middle/upper class people, and especially more so those who suffered the most back home from this (Koonfur)

I was reading the other day how one of Baileh own clan's men were outing him out on twitter for corruption by delaying payment to the SNA and as a result jeopardised the security of the capital, he will be forced to resign over this as a result, this was unheard of before because the majority of our people used to blindly support our corrupt people because of qabiil without ever challenging them, that's no longer the case today.

Politics is a reflection of the collective state of a people, if they are filth, their leaders will be filth, if they are good, their leaders will be good.

I mean, we are pretty much at that stage. The leader of somalia has become the governer of banaadir and has no control over the so called fderal states. If it was actually working something could be said, but right now it's pretty much there as an illusion so why shouldn't local leaders take it into their own hands. What has the somali government done for any of them when they willingly remain spineless slaves to the EU/UN/AU/GCC

 

[Inquisitive_]

I mean, we are pretty much at that stage. The leader of somalia has become the governer of banaadir and has no control over the so called fderal states. If it was actually working something could be said, but right now it's pretty much there as an illusion so why shouldn't local leaders take it into their own hands. What has the somali government done for any of them when they willingly remain spineless slaves to the EU/UN/AU/GCC

Do you think the federal state leaders actually have control over their states ? the capital of Jubaland is run by al-shabab while other's are run by Kikuyu, the capital of Galmudug is ran by Ahlu Sunnah Xabashi puppets, much of Bay, Bakool, Shabelle are ran by foreign proxy al-shabab.

ISIS runs many villages in Bari, Gaas himself was refused several times to enter Garowe after disputes, Somaliland is probably the closest to a federal state but we know they are nothing more then a Xabashi canton like the rest that is trying to switch over to UAE.

Do you think those spineless leaders are not slaves to the EU/UN/AU/GCC ? the one who is the most powerless are those that barks the loudest which is what they routinely do, they have no skin in the game, because if they did, they would have declared secession.

No single entity has full control over anything in Somalia, not even their own airspace or water. Those local leaders you speak off that should take things in their own hands, who are they? what have they done for their own people? please name these leaders? it's all BS to further divide this county into clan fiefdom.

Had such leaders existed, the Somali people would have catapulted him to power like they did to Farmaajo who got famous for doing what he was supposed to do, the Somali people have very low expectations currently because of the level of corruption everywhere.

 

[Von]

I've come to the realisation that everybody should develop their gobol. Its the best way forward. Care about your lands.

Federalism ftw.

if you come here with a weak will of heart Somalispot will destroy you Merchant i see they got you

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

if you come here with a weak will of heart Somalispot will destroy you Merchant i see they got you

Sxb you know I'm right. Everyone should develop their own gobol.

If Bismarck was alive now, he would agree with me.

 

[bluebird]

Do you think the federal state leaders actually have control over their states ? the capital of Jubaland is run by al-shabab while other's are run by Kikuyu, the capital of Galmudug is ran by Ahlu Sunnah Xabashi puppets, much of Bay, Bakool, Shabelle are ran by foreign proxy al-shabab.

ISIS runs many villages in Bari, Gaas himself was refused several times to enter Garowe after disputes, Somaliland is probably the closest to a federal state but we know they are nothing more then a Xabashi canton like the rest that is trying to switch over to UAE.

Do you think those spineless leaders are not slaves to the EU/UN/AU/GCC ? the one who is the most powerless are those that barks the loudest which is what they routinely do, they have no skin in the game, because if they did, they would have declared secession.

No single entity has full control over anything in Somalia, not even their own airspace or water. Those local leaders you speak off that should take things in their own hands, who are they? what have they done for their own people? please name these leaders? it's all BS to further divide this county into clan fiefdom.

Had such leaders existed, the Somali people would have catapulted him to power like they did to Farmaajo who got famous for doing what he was supposed to do, the Somali people have very low expectations currently because of the level of corruption everywhere.

I mean local clan elders leaders need to lead their communties instead of relying on the somali gov.

Somalia was much better off when they ruled their own clans before introducing the european concept of the nation state.

All these federal leaders you say are being controlled by foreigners how is it any different to how the president himself is getting controlled? Somalia will never get anywhere simply because they have put pleasing foreigners and looking ilbax over serving there people. Somalia as a concept has no control and will never have control no matter how good a leader is because they do not own the government. It belongs to the UN and he who pays the piper calls the tunes

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Do you think the federal state leaders actually have control over their states ? the capital of Jubaland is run by al-shabab while other's are run by Kikuyu, the capital of Galmudug is ran by Ahlu Sunnah Xabashi puppets, much of Bay, Bakool, Shabelle are ran by foreign proxy al-shabab.

ISIS runs many villages in Bari, Gaas himself was refused several times to enter Garowe after disputes, Somaliland is probably the closest to a federal state but we know they are nothing more then a Xabashi canton like the rest that is trying to switch over to UAE.

Do you think those spineless leaders are not slaves to the EU/UN/AU/GCC ? the one who is the most powerless are those that barks the loudest which is what they routinely do, they have no skin in the game, because if they did, they would have declared secession.

No single entity has full control over anything in Somalia, not even their own airspace or water. Those local leaders you speak off that should take things in their own hands, who are they? what have they done for their own people? please name these leaders? it's all BS to further divide this county into clan fiefdom.

Had such leaders existed, the Somali people would have catapulted him to power like they did to Farmaajo who got famous for doing what he was supposed to do, the Somali people have very low expectations currently because of the level of corruption everywhere.

I see where your getting at but you can say the exact same things for the SFG. Farmaajo and Kheyre have been an utter farce since they came to power, look at the Qalbi Dhagax situation, the bombing in Xamar, the lack of security, the fact that he couldn't control the federal states. AMISOM are still roaming around. The corruption is rife as ever. It is really disheartening to support this government.

Right now, it is up to the gobols to develop their regions, Mogadishu cannot do everything for them at this point. The stooges in power must be overthrown so the people who are from those gobols and who care about their people can take charge and develop their lands.

 

[bluebird]

I see where your getting at but you can say the exact same things for the SFG. Farmaajo and Kheyre have been an utter farce since they came to power, look at the Qalbi Dhagax situation, the bombing in Xamar, the lack of security, the fact that he couldn't control the federal states. AMISOM are still roaming around. The corruption is rife as ever. It is really disheartening to support this government.

Right now, it is up to the gobols to develop their regions, Mogadishu cannot do everything for them at this point. The stooges in power must be overthrown so the people who are from those gobols and who care about their people can take charge and develop their lands.

Finally someone who gets it. Yes we would be better off unified but there is NO government at the moment but a foreign project meant to keep us in disunity and poverty. People are talking about itll make us easier to control but isnt it already controlled to the fullest extent? And nothing is keeping somali people more disunified than this nacas government.

 

[Von]

Sxb you know I'm right.

If Bismarck was alive now, he would agree with me.

Bismarck was a conqueror and unifying the German regions under Prussia, he won't support Regionalism

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Bismarck was a conqueror and unifying the German regions under Prussia, he won't support Regionalism

I knew you would say that

He supported the North German Confederation for a while though. Only when Austria started meddling did he start unifying the German people.

And anyway, federalism is the way forward for Somalia now. I'm not saying independence for each state, more like unity through each state, each gobol will be devoid of qabyaalad and corruption, believing in one Somalia.

Unless you could find me someone like Bismarck to lead the people.

 

[Von]

I knew you would say that

He supported the North German Confederation for a while though. Only when Austria started meddling did he start unifying the German people.

And anyway, federalism is the way forward for Somalia now. I'm not saying independence for each state, more like unity through each state, each gobol will be devoid of qabyaalad and corruption, believing in one Somalia.

Unless you could find me someone like Bismarck to lead the people.

Bismarck never cared about the Northern Confederation, only to push for unity under Prussia. Austria conflict was set by Bismarck so that they would declare war on Purissa first so he could justify taking Holstein.
I've been down will Federalism with a streamline central government before you Mr.AntiMuhQabil.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Bismarck never cared about the Northern Confederation, only to push for unity under Prussia. Austria conflict was set by Bismarck so that they would declare war on Purissa first so he could justify taking Holstein.
I've been down will Federalism with a streamline central government before you Mr.AntiMuhQabil.

Yes federalism with a strong central government. That's what I want

 

[Von]

Yes federalism with a strong central government. That's what I want

However, Puntland Somaliland, Hiranland,Jabbaland need to be abolished focus on their own regions. borders should be pre1991 but that's just me