Somali population growth

[AbrahamFreedom]

How much would you estimate the total Ethiopian population? Last time I checked, it was 120+ million. Let's se if you're honest about them too kkk

No where near 120 million.

You think there are 35-40 million Somalis? Have you seen how empty the bush is? How small and not dense the towns are? Where are these 35-40 million Somalis? You can walk in the bush for days and not see anyone. Tell me your cousin's name and his clan and I'll find out his phone number by tomorrow. This is a small ethnic group.

 

[Shimbiris]

stopped reading there. waryaa re evaluate yourself.

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I would someday accept an EU-like Union where we share a currency, have open borders and elect delegates who manage things in a chosen middle ground city somewhere like Jabuuti. In this arrangement it would be best to even disintegrate Ethiopia as a country and simply turn it into its ethnic constituent nations. Give Amharas, Sidamos, Tigrays, Oromos and the like their own governments, presidents and autonomies with simply close economic and political ties with the rest of the Horn and an agreement to manage regulations surrounding health and safety and law and order together along with a military arrangement akin to NATO for East Africa with Sudan, South Sudan and maybe even some SE African and South Arabian states in the fold. Other than that... we'd just be their begs.

 

[Deleted L]

stopped reading there. waryaa re evaluate yourself.

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If Ethiopia conquers Somalia, there will be an extra 17 million Muslim (Somali) population they will add to their country which would be a headache for Addis Ababa.

Muslims in Ethiopia are about 35-40% of the population (census most likely under-reported so it’s likely higher), if you add our population we might be the majority and if we keep having more kids, Muslims might be 80-85%+ within decades.

That’s if we are united and smart enough to play the long game, unfortunately most Muslims in the horn only care about their immediate ethnic group or tribe so I don’t see this happening but it’s a great plan nonetheless. We are the largest ethnicity in the horn only second to Oromos. Either way, Somalis need to have more children then they already have and we need to create a culture that glorifies having too many children as a good thing. We still have a high fertility rate alhamdulilah but hopefully that fertility rate even increases more.

 

[GaradShabeel]

No where near 120 million.

You think there are 35-40 million Somalis? Have you seen how empty the bush is? How small and not dense the towns are? Where are these 35-40 million Somalis? You can walk in the bush for days and not see anyone. Tell me your cousin's name and his clan and I'll find out his phone number by tomorrow. This is a small ethnic group.

40 million seem like a stretch, but 30 million worldwide isn't far-fetched. A personal estimation would be between 25-30 million, with consideration to statistic deviations.

Somalia have been urbanizing en masse for the past 3 decades due to conflicts, droughts, employment opportunities etc. Which is why they are concentrated in larger cities or smaller-to-medium sized towns, and vast open land in between. The population of Somalia, including SL, is no less than 15 million.

As far as Somalis of Ethiopia, a majority of the population are either agriculturalists or nomads. Again, proving your observation of major uninhabited lands. For instance, the northern/north-western/north-eastern is densely populated. Overall, there can't be less than about 5 million Somalis in Ethiopia, including those residing outside DDS. Given how the Somali region is half the size of Somalia, it may give the illusion of a smaller population.

Add a few millions in Kenya & Djibouti and another million or two from diaspora, there're definitely more than 15 millions in total.

 

[Hamzza]

40 million seem like a stretch, but 30 million worldwide isn't far-fetched. A personal estimation would be between 25-30 million, with consideration to statistic deviations.

Somalia have been urbanizing en masse for the past 3 decades, due to conflicts, droughts, employment opportunities etc. Which is why they are concentrated in larger cities or smaller-to-medium sized towns, and vast open land in between. The population of Somalia, including SL, is no less than 15 million.

As far as Somalis of Ethiopia, a majority of population are either agriculturalists or nomads. Again proving your observation. Especially in central, southern DDS. While the northern, northwestern and northeastern is densely populated. There're at least 5 million Somalis in Ethiopia. Given how the Somali region is half the size of Somalia, it may given the illusion of a smaller population.

Add a few million in Kenya & Djibouti and another million or two from Diaspora, there're definitely more than 15 millions in tottotal

More than 3 million Somalis in Kenya
More than 8 million Somalis in Ethiopia
More than 16 million Somalis in Somalia
Less than 1 million in Djibouti
Close to 2 million in overseas

There are definitely more than 30 million Somalis in the world or close to that

 

[Hamzza]

@GaradShabeel @AbdiFreedom Somali citizens in kenya were almost 3 million in the last census not counting immigrants in Nairobi and Qaxooti camps

 

[GaradShabeel]

@GaradShabeel @AbdiFreedom Somali citizens in kenya were almost 3 million in the last census not counting immigrants in Nairobi and Qaxooti camps
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Yeah, the official Kenya cencus have always lowballed the size of Somalis in the country.

 

[Unbothered]

Somalis have too many children yet never pass 20 million
Maybe the death rate is high

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

I wouldn't be surprised if 75% of Somalis are under 30 and 50% of Somalis have barely reached puberty yet at the most. It is a very young population. You barely see anyone over 50 there. People are constantly dying of health, malnutrition, violence, negligence, etc. Lots of children die there too. I also would not believe the census count from the 1970s. I heard they added numbers because they couldn't reach the nomads during the drought.

 

[Hamzza]

Yeah, the official Kenya cencus have always lowballed the size of Somalis in the country.

Mandera County's population was 1,025,756 in 2009 Fast forward to 2019 this has decreased to 867,457. A 15 percent decrease in the total population in only 10 years.

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[Burqad]

The numbers in the Somali region are because Xabeshis commited genocide on Somalis, and there’s always a bounceback after a genocide. That’s what happened to Jews and Timorians and Tutsis.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Mandera County's population was 1,025,756 in 2009 Fast forward to 2019 this has decreased to 867,457. A 15 percent decrease in the total population in only 10 years.

Looking at the settlements in Mandera on a satellite map, the region can't have less than 1 million today. I wonder how it looked like back then and what type of changes that must've caused this.

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[Faanoole]

Industrialization will cause a population boom either way, so it's best to focus on education and skill building.

 

[Guillotine]

I’m specifically speaking about Somalia’s numbers, not Somali numbers as a whole. Somalia is currently estimated to be around 17 million.

I think 17 is too generous, some of these gobols are empty.

 

[Deleted L]

I think 17 is too generous, some of these gobols are empty.

It isn’t generous considering that most of Somalia’s population is in the south. Southern Somalia is the most densely populated part of the country, when you combine the south’s population and the less populated central and northern Somalia, 17 million or near that number isn’t unlikely.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I’ve spoken about this and population growth in Africa imo Somalis are around 35mill and growing rapidly because pastoralist communities have high TFR the wild card is the Somali population in Ethiopia it can be anywhere from 10-12 million add 18 million in Somalia plus 3-4 million in Kenya

 

[Garaad diinle]

I would someday accept an EU-like Union where we share a currency, have open borders and elect delegates who manage things in a chosen middle ground city somewhere like Jabuuti. In this arrangement it would be best to even disintegrate Ethiopia as a country and simply turn it into its ethnic constituent nations. Give Amharas, Sidamos, Tigrays, Oromos and the like their own governments, presidents and autonomies with simply close economic and political ties with the rest of the Horn and an agreement to manage regulations surrounding health and safety and law and order together along with a military arrangement akin to NATO for East Africa with Sudan, South Sudan and maybe even some SE African and South Arabian states in the fold. Other than that... we'd just be their begs.

@Shimbiris i'm no sleuth but i can tell something is up. Is there something you wanna tell us?
Is there a thrown you're looking to claim?

My mother, upon seeing portraits of him, liked to claim I resemble Tewodros II of Ethiopia. Not a Somali and I personally don't see it:

Maybe vaguely back when I used to sport cornrows during my early 20s.

 

[Shimbiris]

It isn’t generous considering that most of Somalia’s population is in the south. Southern Somalia is the most densely populated part of the country, when you combine the south’s population and the less populated central and northern Somalia, 17 million or near that number isn’t unlikely.

@Shimbiris i'm no sleuth but i can tell something is up. Is there something you wanna tell us?
Is there a thrown you're looking to claim?

Shimbiris Dishiishe! Grand Boqor of the Somalis, Negus Negast of Abyssinia, Paqar of Nubia, Pharaoh of Egypt and Malik of all Arabia!

 

[Garaad diinle]

Shimbiris Dishiishe! Grand Boqor of the Somalis, Negus Negast of Abyssinia, Paqar of Nubia, Pharaoh of Egypt and Malik of all Arabia!

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I can't believe it you just had to choose malik ambar of all people kkk. Now that i think about it the horn of africa do look like a mini india and it has many spoken languages too.

 

[Shimbiris]

I can't believe it you just had to choose malik ambar of all people kkk. Now that i think about it the horn of africa do look like a mini india and it has many spoken languages too.

Northeast Africa and the subcontinent are weird mirror images of each other. I've pointed this out before:

Jokes aside, Northeast Africa and South Asia are like weird mirror images in many ways. NE Africa is to Africa what the subcontinent is to Eurasia. Basically, they are both extreme hotbeds of human genetic diversity where the many genetic components of their continent heavily coalesce.

In a very loose way you can think of very northern South-Central Asians like Pashtuns, Balochis and Sindhis as equivalent to Egyptians in NE Africa then North-Sudanese and most Horners are equivalents to most other Desis who are intermediates between the native East Eurasian ("Australoid") Hunter-Gatherers and West-Eurasians whereas the more native tribals are like equivalents to our native Nilotes and Omotics. Both regions even have vestiges of genetic components and/or groups from far flung parts of their continents like the legit East Asians and East Asian admixture in eastern parts of South Asia or the ancient San-like admixture in the Horn associated with our native HGs. Then you have Afro-Asiatic which is a large language family shared with many people outside of Northeast Africa (though it most likely originated in our region) as a sort of parallel to Indo-European in the subcontinent and then you have the large mostly native language families in the form of Nilo-Saharan and Dravidian.

It's even cool how the ancient MENA in our respective regions are polar opposites within the ancient MENA genetic continuum. Desis are mostly Iran-Neolithic~Caucasus HG admixed/biased whereas we Northeast Africans are mostly Anatolian Neolithic~Natufian admixed/biased. Those two continuums are basically the two opposite ends of the prehistoric Middle East. The former being Ancient North Eurasian admixed and the latter being more WHG-like admixed. This also contributes to the uncanny valley situation when looking at some Horners and Desis like South-Central Indics in terms of appearance. We look clearly very different but there's a sort of queer similarity because their native HG ancestors and our proto-Nilotic ancestors would have also looked similar but clearly different whereas our ancient MENA ancestors also would have looked vaguely similar but still clearly different. The uncanniness would have probably been even more freaky if native South Asian HGs had Afro-textured hair the way their Andaman relatives do.

But yeah, the two regions are in many ways weird reflections of one other. Both even concidentally birthed two early river civilizations. The Indus Valley Civilization and Ancient Egypt/Nubia. So many weird parallels.