Somali Scholar Professor Samatar CONDEMNS tribalist Farmajo for his tribally written Theseis

[waraabe]

What citizenship does cc and farmaajo hold?

 

[Canuck]

Puntland might as well leave.

Puntland wouldn't leave Somalia because for past 25 years SL was rejected but entirely world!!!

 

[Canuck]

No I am not Isaaq. I don't think we should share a country with Hawiye.

South is not only hawyie but there are Dir tribes and Darood

 

[Canuck]

What would happen if he was to refuse the order? Would he be court marshalled & executed for not following direct orders? Is he a minister or a soldier that can't refuse orders? I thought you said on your previous comment that CCC admitted to giving the orders now it's abdishakur who said it, let me guess his word is sacrosanct cause he's hawiye

He could resign and leave the minister instead of signing itn

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Atleast show a picture from the 90s when USC existed.

@Cognitivedissonance @Canuck @McLovin @Galaeri

 

[McLovin]

@Cognitivedissonance @Canuck @McLovin @Galaeri

GOAT movie

 

[Mudug-Madman]

GOAT movie

Literally 'Lets shoot skinnies for two hours'- the movie. It's overrated as f*ck.

 

[Galaeri]

Literally 'Lets shoot skinnies for two hours'- the movie. It's overrated as f*ck.

It pretty historical accuracy was correct. The soldiers were stuck in a firefight for an entire day when it was supposed to last an hour. The xoolos were ready to go the hellfire to be able to continue siphoning off the food aid into their pockets. The movie should have been longer lmao.

I find it funny when Somalis get cut and try say the US had some hidden agenda when the came to Mogadishu. All they came to was try to ensure that the food aid would make it into starving civillians when it was being sold on the black market by Caydiids and Mahdis clan militias. I forgot who ran the other militias lol.

 

[McLovin]

Literally 'Lets shoot skinnies for two hours'- the movie. It's overrated as f*ck.

Don't forget the 90% west african cast.


But the movie had its good parts. And they portrayed us as a worthy foe. They didn't show the militia as khat crazed nuts (which many were) and the use of women and children as human shields. The bandana wearing antagonist was kinda badass too when he took down that black hawk

 

[Mudug-Madman]

It pretty historical accuracy was correct. The soldiers were stuck in a firefight for an entire day when it was supposed to last an hour. The xoolos were ready to go the hellfire to be able to continue siphoning off the food aid into their pockets. The movie should have been longer lmao.

I find it funny when Somalis get cut and try say the US had some hidden agenda when the came to Mogadishu. All they came to was try to ensure that the food aid would make it into starving civillians when it was being sold on the black market by Caydiids and Mahdis clan militias. I forgot who ran the other militias lol.

Nigerian Atto with his stilted Somali

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

Oh yeah the Kenyan HSM (his citizenship is Kenyan)

what's your point?


Almost ALL Somali politicians(including your beloved farmaajo) are educated aboard and have foreign passports.

Atleast post real footage not a movie.

I find it funny when Somalis get cut and try say the US had some hidden agenda when the came to Mogadishu.

UNOSOM shelling the capital city


Killing protesters and indiscriminately shelling entire neighborhoods.

Source: Somalia 1991-1993: Civil War, Famine Alert and a UN "Military-Humanitarian" Intervention
Laurence Binet


Burning innocents alive in Kismaayo

More UNOSOM atrocities (killing unarmed civilians in Mogadishu)

All they came to was try to ensure that the food aid would make it into starving civillians when it was being sold on the black market by Caydiids and Mahdis clan militias. I forgot who ran the other militias lol.

You keep coming out with these accusations but you have 0 proof


Here is USC proving safety, treatment, food, water, education to victims of Afweyne and Morgan.





USC even treated Ogaden refugees who were caught fighting for Afweyne.


Anywhere else in the country they would have been shot point blank.



USC was by far the most humane group to exist.

 

[Lord Flacko]

It pretty historical accuracy was correct. The soldiers were stuck in a firefight for an entire day when it was supposed to last an hour. The xoolos were ready to go the hellfire to be able to continue siphoning off the food aid into their pockets. The movie should have been longer lmao.

I find it funny when Somalis get cut and try say the US had some hidden agenda when the came to Mogadishu. All they came to was try to ensure that the food aid would make it into starving civillians when it was being sold on the black market by Caydiids and Mahdis clan militias. I forgot who ran the other militias lol.

The US bombed Mogadishu indiscriminately under the pretense of targeting warlords, but all their victims were children, women, civilian men and clan elders. You're really going to blindly believe what the US military says? They're the biggest war criminals there are, always hiding under a pretense of "peace and stability".

The US always has a hidden agenda. Always. Just look at every CIA or military intervention they have ever done.

@Cognitivedissonance @Canuck @McLovin @Galaeri

General Aideed AUN

 

[Galaeri]

what's your point?


Almost ALL Somali politicians(including your beloved farmaajo) are educated aboard and have foreign passports.


Atleast post real footage not a movie.


UNOSOM shelling the capital city


Killing protesters and indiscriminately shelling entire neighborhoods.

Source: Somalia 1991-1993: Civil War, Famine Alert and a UN "Military-Humanitarian" Intervention

Laurence Binet


Burning innocents alive in Kismaayo

More UNOSOM atrocities (killing unarmed civilians in Mogadishu)

You keep coming out with these accusations but you have 0 proof


Here is USC proving safety, treatment, food, water, education to victims of Afweyne and Morgan.





USC even treated Ogaden refugees who were caught fighting for Afweyne


Anywhere else in the country they would have been shot point blank.



USC was by far the most humane group in the country; national liberators.

The atrocities committed by those soldiers happened in two isolated incidents. It was not widespread. They guys got of pretty easy but w.e.

The Pakistanis felt unnerved when scores of people congregated around them. This was after they had a bunch of their soldiers massacred and their bodies dessecrated by one of the clan miltias, the ones you adore so much. They did at one instance fire at a crowd of a people, another atrocity. It is quite sad though, the Pakistani peacekeepers were saying how they were happy to help their muslim brothers and this happened. I am not excusing what they did, but you have to look at what those xoolos did. The murdered a bunch of muslims wearing blue helmets carrying out humanitarian work. You can look it up, I remember it was on some part of a UN site.

Here is an article about battles b/w aidiid and some Pakistani peacekeepers.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/08/w...mali-city-and-vows-punishment-for-attack.html

Here is a chronology of the ambush in Mogadishu. It mentions the massacre of 24 Pakistani Peacekeepers killed by aidiids men when the inspecting a weapons cache.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ambush/etc/cron.html

Massacre of Pakistani troops; the hunt for Aidid
During an inspection of a Somali arms weapons storage site, 24 Pakistani soldiers are ambushed and massacred. The next day, the UN Security Council issues an emergency resolution calling for the apprehension of "those responsible" for the massacre. Though Aidid is not specifically named in the resolution, it is, in effect, a call to apprehend him. Twelve days later, Admiral Howe orders Aidid's arrest, offering a $25,000 reward for information leading to his apprehension.

I found the UN resource recounting how Mogadishu clan militias desecrated the bodies of peacekeepers that they had slain.
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/past/unosom2backgr2.html

Following the transition from UNITAF to UNOSOM II in May 1993, it became clear that, although signatory to the March Agreement, General Aidid's faction would not cooperate in the Agreement's implementation. Attempts by UNOSOM II to implement disarmament led to increasing tensions and, on 5 June, to violence. In a series of armed attacks against UNOSOM II troops throughout south Mogadishu by Somali militia apparently belonging to General Aidid's faction, 25 Pakistani soldiers were killed, 10 were reported missing and 54 wounded. The bodies of the victims were mutilated and subjected to other forms of degrading treatment. The Secretary-General, on 6 June,14 strongly condemned this "treacherous act" against peacekeepers "who were on a mission of peace, reconciliation and reconstruction" and urged prompt and firm action against the perpetrators. Special Representative Howe stated that the soldiers were "murdered as they sought to serve the neediest people in the city". He said that 12 of the soldiers were helping unload food at a feeding station "when they were foully attacked by cowards who placed women and children in front of armed men".

Peacekeeper almost always just watch. The only fight when they are attacked, they don't have the mandate to do what they want.

Is this video that mashes up footage UN peacekeepers and American Rangers supposed to change my mind?

Why does neef always quote me and just spew drivel?


The USC were xayawaans that did not respect the religion, people's property, and did not possess a moral compass. It very obvious when you look at the history, it is written everywhere.

 

[Galaeri]

The US bombed Mogadishu indiscriminately under the pretense of targeting warlords, but all their victims were children, women, civilian men and clan elders. You're really going to blindly believe what the US military says? They're the biggest war criminals there are, always hiding under a pretense of "peace and stability".

The US always has a hidden agenda. Always. Just look at every CIA or military intervention they have ever done.

General Aideed AUN

'Under the pretense of targeting warlords'. And what exactly where they doing? Planning and scheming on how to perpetuate a civil war in a city ravaged by violence, where the city is being destroyed by two camps of warlords with weapons they emptied from Somalia's weapon caches? What could they have been doing in Mogadishu that could make it any worse? Please elaborate.

This is nature of warfare today, a high civillian cost of life is a given. It is tragic, but it is the reality. How are you going to fight in a densely populated area with modern weapons system?

It seems you are outraged that Americans killed a number of civillians but not at how Somalis killed civillians.

Didn't realise you were a staunch qabiilist lol. Paying respects to a dead warlord.

 

[Faqash]

compare farmajo with hawiye warlords and he is a saint.today it is a fact hawiye destroyed the country;.

 

[Lord Flacko]

The atrocities committed by those soldiers happened in two isolated incidents. It was not widespread. They guys got of pretty easy but w.e.

The Pakistanis felt unnerved when scores of people congregated around them. This was after they had a bunch of their soldiers massacred and their bodies dessecrated by one of the clan miltias, the ones you adore so much. They did at one instance fire at a crowd of a people, another atrocity. It is quite sad though, the Pakistani peacekeepers were saying how they were happy to help their muslim brothers and this happened. I am not excusing what they did, but you have to look at what those xoolos did. The murdered a bunch of muslims wearing blue helmets carrying out humanitarian work. You can look it up, I remember it was on some part of a UN site.

Here is an article about battles b/w aidiid and some Pakistani peacekeepers.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/08/w...mali-city-and-vows-punishment-for-attack.html

Here is a chronology of the ambush in Mogadishu. It mentions the massacre of 24 Pakistani Peacekeepers killed by aidiids men when the inspecting a weapons cache.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ambush/etc/cron.html



I found the UN resource recounting how Mogadishu clan militias desecrated the bodies of peacekeepers that they had slain.
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/past/unosom2backgr2.html



Peacekeeper almost always just watch. The only fight when they are attacked, they don't have the mandate to do what they want.

Is this video that mashes up footage UN peacekeepers and American Rangers supposed to change my mind?

Why does neef always quote me and just spew drivel?


The USC were xayawaans that did not respect the religion, people's property, and did not possess a moral compass. It very obvious when you look at the history, it is written everywhere.

"Peacekeepers almost always just watch. They don't fight unless they are attacked"

MOGADISHU, Somalia, Monday, June 14— At least 20 Somalis were killed on Sunday and dozens wounded when Pakistani peacekeeping troops opened fire on demonstrators in central Mogadishu.

The shootings occurred just after 10:30 A.M. as several thousand Somalis marched down one of the main avenues in what appeared to be a protest against United Nations attacks this weekend on weapons caches belonging to a Somali clan leader.

Local residents and foreign journalists who witnessed the demonstration said that the first shots they heard had come from the Pakistani peacekeepers' compound, and that there had been no warnings from the troops.

The attacks on Somali weapons arsenals, led by United States gunships, came a week after 23 Pakistani troops were killed by Somali gunmen. Gen. Mohammed Farah Aidid, one of the most powerful factional leaders, was blamed for the killings; he has denied responsibility.

A United States AC-130H gunship renewed the attacks early today, filling the horizon with a red glow and setting off a fire near a compound used by General Aidid. [ In Washington, a Pentagon spokesman said on Sunday evening, Eastern daylight time, that the gunship was attacking two "unauthorized" sites used to store vehicles. ]

General Aidid visited wounded Somalis in a hospital on Sunday, dispelling rumors that he was in hiding to avoid capture. After the ambush of the Pakistanis last week, the Security Council called for the arrest and prosecution of those responsible.

"We are going on with our program of making peace and reconciliation with our people," General Aidid said. "I am part of the people, and any action directed against them I am sharing. America wants to put our country in a trusteeship. This killing was done intentionally and the Somalis will never forget."

United Nations military officials said they were not seeking to arrest General Aidid. But relief officials and others said United Nations and United States officials were still debating whether to arrest him because it was unclear what they would do with him if he were detained.

Pakistan and the US could have easily arrested Aideed, but instead they indiscriminately bombed Mogadishu and killed civilians. You accept civilians being killed but not military soldiers? f*ck kinda logic is that.

'Under the pretense of targeting warlords'. And what exactly where they doing? Planning and scheming on how to perpetuate a civil war in a city ravaged by violence, where the city is being destroyed by two camps of warlords with weapons they emptied from Somalia's weapon caches? What could they have been doing in Mogadishu that could make it any worse? Please elaborate.

This is nature of warfare today, a high civillian cost of life is a given. It is tragic, but it is the reality. How are you going to fight in a densely populated area with modern weapons system?

It seems you are outraged that Americans killed a number of civillians but not at how Somalis killed civillians.


Didn't realise you were a staunch qabiilist lol. Paying respects to a dead warlord.

I shouldn't be outraged that America was killing civilian Somalis?

Aideed never ran, he was in Mogadishu the whole time. He openly went and visited hospitals were wounded civilian Somalis were laying. He had public meetings and talked to the people. Yet the US with their modern weapons, communications, helicopters and satellites managed to just not kill him and instead innocent Somalis. Just like they manage to "accidentally" kill tens of children in UAV bombings in the middle east, or Galmudug soldiers in Somalia. All just "accidents"

Oh the US would never start conflicts to serve their own interests like profit. Neither have they done so before
In the video the US general says he got a memo saying they were going to take out 7 countries in 5 years, and one of those countries was Somalia. Still wanna give the US the benefit of doubt?


You only view me as a qabilist because I'm not a qabilist for your clan. Barre openly massacres and starves tens of thousands of Somalis? Hero! Aideed fights US and foreign meddling in Somalia while advocating reconciliation and peace among Somalis? Animal!

 

[Galaeri]

"Peacekeepers almost always just watch. They don't fight unless they are attacked"



Pakistan and the US could have easily arrested Aideed, but instead they indiscriminately bombed Mogadishu and killed civilians. You accept civilians being killed but not military soldiers? f*ck kinda logic is that.



I shouldn't be outraged that America was killing civilian Somalis?

Aideed never ran, he was in Mogadishu the whole time. He openly went and visited hospitals were wounded civilian Somalis were laying. He had public meetings and talked to the people. Yet the US with their modern weapons, communications, helicopters and satellites managed to just not kill him and instead innocent Somalis. Just like they manage to "accidentally" kill tens of children in UAV bombings in the middle east, or Galmudug soldiers in Somalia. All just "accidents"http://www.somalispot.com/attachments/img_5663-jpg.10622/
Oh the US would never start conflicts to serve their own interests like profit. Neither have they done so before


You only view me as a qabilist because I'm not a qabilist for your clan. Barre openly massacres and starves tens of thousands of Somalis? Hero! Aideed fights US and foreign meddling in Somalia while advocating reconciliation and peace among Somalis? Animal!

You can't use the discriminate fire thing against me. I just admitted that before like 2 posts ago.
Don't quote me and send me *conspiracy intesifies* videos. I skipped through the video, it's crap. They already took out Somalia, I asked you what they could possibly want from a country that has collapse and is still going through an incredibly violent civil war?

I don't see how miltia men that got bombed in Mudug would directly relate to this topic.

I know the Americans are involved in Somalia today, and they have helped maintain a state of conflict by arming different groups. I just don't see how this is relevant to 1991-1993 where the country was in flames and horrible fighting was still taking place. Why would they bomb innocent civillians for? Do you believe they are so wicked that they would travel thousands of miles to bomb poor civillians.

We already know they have been involved in a 'shadow war' in Somalia. I am asking you what agenda could these Americans have in their humanitarian mission to Somalia?

Another question for you. Do you believe that the UN were criminals, and how do you feel about and do you believe happened to these Pakistani peacekeers?

 

[Lord Flacko]

You can't use the discriminate fire thing against me. I just admitted that before like 2 posts ago.
Don't quote me and send me *conspiracy intesifies* videos. I skipped through the video, it's crap. They already took out Somalia, I asked you what they could possibly want from a country that has collapse and is still going through an incredibly violent civil war?

Wallahi you're a dense motherfucker

What could they want from Somalia? Oil and gas? Control the Indian Ocean? There are a million reasons don't act stupid.

Don't quote me and send me *conspiracy intesifies* videos. I skipped through the video, it's crap.

You little shit. Watch the fucking video how is it some fucking *conspiracy video* when it shows a fucking US MILITARY GENERAL himself saying the US wanted to fully take out 7 countries INCLUDING SOMALIA.

Are you mentally retarded? It's literally the first fucking thing in the video, and I post another time stamped screenshot of the video where they talk about Somalia and show A OFFICAL US INTELLIGENCE BREFING showing the US monitors our resources,

and you're response is "I skipped it I don't want to watch conspiracy Shit"? I can't argue with you you're willfully retarded

I don't see how miltia men that got bombed in Mudug would directly relate to this topic.

It relates because the US contributing to clan wars which continues destabilisation.

In interviews with The Washington Post in a hospital in Mogadishu, the Somali capital, two survivors of the strike who belonged to the Galmadug forces described the way it had hammered their unit.

“Small aircraft, sounding like flies, started hovering over us,” said one survivor, Ali Adan Mohamed. “At about six in the morning the airstrike started, the aircraft fired three missiles.

“I believed that the U.S. was neutral, but now it seems to me that they have sided with one of two clans,” he said.


When Galmadug state officials heard what happened, they were furious with the Americans.

“There is not any justification that could lead to such disaster,” Minister Osman Ise Nur, the head of Galmadug’s security operations, said in a phone interview. “We were amazed with what has happened to our forces despite the fact that they were fighting al-Shabab.”

The U.S. Africa Command issued a statementshortly after the attack that described the target of the strike as “a group of armed al-Shabaab fighters.”

But a new Pentagon report, parts of which were described to The Washington Post, contradicts that initial conclusion.

“We responded and struck with the belief that it was al-Shabab,” the U.S. official said. “But we recognize that they were Galmadug forces.”

In other words, the United States appeared to have unwittingly entered into a war between two regional fighting forces, both its allies.

You amaze me with your mental gymnastics. Every time I or @Boqor Geeljire252 post a legitimate source you ignore it, call it fake or admit to not even reading or viewing it.




f*ck you and praise Aideed AUN

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

The atrocities committed by those soldiers happened in two isolated incidents. It was not widespread. They guys got of pretty easy but w.e.

Peacekeeper almost always just watch. The only fight when they are attacked, they don't have the mandate to do what they want.

Is this video that mashes up footage UN peacekeepers and American Rangers supposed to change my mind?

@ isolated

UNOSOM were committing widespread atrocities throughout the country.
You saw the video in which they were indiscriminately shelling the capital city with helicopters and beating locals.

Here is another atrocity by Canadian UNOSOM in Beledweyne in which they savagely tortured a 16 year old teen(Shidane Arone[AUN]) "for sport" before killing.

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I found the UN resource recounting how Mogadishu clan militias desecrated the bodies of peacekeepers that they had slain.

The Pakistanis felt unnerved when scores of people congregated around them. This was after they had a bunch of their soldiers massacred and their bodies dessecrated by one of the clan miltias, the ones you adore so much. They did at one instance fire at a crowd of a people, another atrocity. It is quite sad though, the Pakistani peacekeepers were saying how they were happy to help their muslim brothers and this happened. I am not excusing what they did, but you have to look at what those xoolos did. The murdered a bunch of muslims wearing blue helmets carrying out humanitarian work. You can look it up, I remember it was on some part of a UN site.

Muslim or not, Soomaaliya Soomali baa leh, you can not come to our city and tell us who to appoint as leader.

They were rightfully dragged through the streets just like the Italians(who came before them) and the Ethiopians (which followed them). That is the fate of any foreigner and their dhabadhilif in Somalia.
You are not "xoolo" for defending your country and people, Soomaaliya Soomali baa leh

UNOSOM trash sided with Morgan and tried to bring back Afweyne, the man we fought tooth and nail to depose.

Morgan's soldiers were allowed into Kismayo. Harti believe that UNOSOM allowed Morgan to re-enter Kismayo, because 'they view it as a Harti town'.
Since 1993 US and Belgian troops repulsed USC/SNA offensives to recapture the city.
UNOSOM Belgian troops were outwitted by Morgan.

When UNOSOM left, Morgan fled barefoot to Dhoobley before being driven out by JVA

Morgan himself has not returned to Kismayo and remains in Doble, and also, because his supporters have no visible military presence on the streets of Kismayo.

http://www.nzdl.org/gsdlmod?e=d-000...l=CL2.2.2&d=HASH018018c600064e78c5b1edf2.6.fc

The USC were xayawaans that did not respect the religion, people's property, and did not possess a moral compass. It very obvious when you look at the history, it is written everywhere.

This speech by General Mohamed Farah Hassan Aideed Garaad(AUN) disproves everything you just said, USC were given direct orders not to harm POWs and not to harm the civilians they were liberating.

"Midkaan Xabad idinku soo ridin Ha Taabanina! Soo Dhaweeya!"
"xumaan haday sameeyaan wanaag ugu badala"
"We are against Siad Barre's dictatorial and tyrannical regime not Daarood"


I have already posted video footage to prove buildings were not destroyed and civilians and POWs were not harmed andduring the USC takeover.

But continue talking out of your ass

It's clear this cuqdad was drilled into you.

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

I post another time stamped screenshot of the video where they talk about Somalia and show A OFFICAL US INTELLIGENCE BREFING showing the US monitors our resources and you're response is "I skipped it I don't want to watch conspiracy Shit"? I can't argue with you you're willfully retarded


You amaze me with your mental gymnastics. Every time I or @Boqor Geeljire252 post a legitimate source you ignore it, call it fake or admit to not even reading or viewing it.

Dodgeball at its finest